grvg
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To say otherwise would be a massive loss of izzat
Microsoft says that adding the ability to move the taskbar in Windows is very complicated and would require too much effort from its engineers.
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Hari Seldon
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MS turned into IBM like ultra fast after they hired that dipshit CEO.
Hudo
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If the codebase has gotten to this state, then maybe it's time to either make the next Windows from scratch or just kill it, and make your own Linux distribution. I mean, Azure is already running on some Microsoft distribution of Linux anyway. In any case, this is pretty embarrassing for a trillion-Dollar company. Not surprising, but embarrassing.
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Magic-DEI-Hire
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They're shoving AI into Windows, why are we surprised at the lack of quality/polish?
AI = Another Indian
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Instant_Classic
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I think a lot of people under estimate the complexity of software, let alone modern software development.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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draliko
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this info doesn't really directly affect me (wouldn't move the bar in any other position even if i had the chance, too used to it) but i don't know with it really vex me... lately i feel like i'm getting tired of reading about what windows team can't do... i don't know if i want to move to linux for gaming... damn i'm tired... i probably need to get a pause from reading news about windows and linux 
Badlucktroll
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falconhoof
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Please everyone, spare a thought for the trillion dollar company.
StreetsofBeige
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I got a W11 bug from an update about a month ago.
When waking from sleep now, if I use space bar it opens up the top left pinned program in the start menu. So for me it opens MS Word. But any other button used is fine.
Googled it and tried every adjustment and tweak you can think of. Every adjusted some registry files. Nada. Then found some forum responses saying it's actually an update bug, so got to wait for a patch. Geez. They cant even get that right.
When waking from sleep now, if I use space bar it opens up the top left pinned program in the start menu. So for me it opens MS Word. But any other button used is fine.
Googled it and tried every adjustment and tweak you can think of. Every adjusted some registry files. Nada. Then found some forum responses saying it's actually an update bug, so got to wait for a patch. Geez. They cant even get that right.
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Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
That...just doesn't make sense. Like, why wasn't that feature coded in from the very start?!?!?
I'm still on W10 and I think I'll be staying on W10 for a very long time.
Durin
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I don't really get how it would be that hard.
I use Windhawk on my windows machine for visual customization, and it has a plugin that lets you move the taskbar around that works perfectly fine.
It's a free program, so people in their free time doing better than a multi-billion corpo again.
I use Windhawk on my windows machine for visual customization, and it has a plugin that lets you move the taskbar around that works perfectly fine.
It's a free program, so people in their free time doing better than a multi-billion corpo again.
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mayham2199
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This is the problem is small nimble companies like Windhawk can do things that MS can't because they are to large. Prepare for more layoffs so MS can do the sort of things Windhawk is capable of.
cash_longfellow
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Wait….too much effort for engineers, to engineer? 
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Barakov
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Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
There really aren't many choices for most people. Knowledgable computer wise people have choices, but even those choices have drawbacks.
We really do need a good modern competitor to Windows.
Parazels
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I hope Android will fill that niche.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
That just happens to be exactly what the MS boss wants...
Satya Nadella says he spends his weekends studying startups as Microsoft's size has become a 'massive disadvantage'
Satya Nadella says studying startups helps him relearn agility and overcome the product bottlenecks slowing Microsoft and big companies's AI work.
www.businessinsider.com
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Google would be the obvious choice as they have the resources and money to pull it off. Possibly Valve with SteamOS if they decided to try.
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KaiserBecks
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They should ask AI how to do it since that's all they're investing in these days.
rm082e
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I'm a Product Manager. Reading over the quotes in that article, I know exactly how that feels. You know a feature is important to users, but the executive management team has "a vision" for some new feature set that they expect to generate a lot of sales. They tell you to get on board with the vision. If a request is not aligned, just put it on the backlog to pacify the people who are requesting it.
You build up a backlog of user stories while the Dev team works on the vision that both you, and they, know are not going to increase sales. You spend however-many quarters building and rolling out the new feature, and then it doesn't go anywhere. Users don't care. The sales don't materialize as expected. You sit there for quarter after quarter waiting for the executive management team to acknowledge it was all a big waste of time, admit their failure, and come to you asking what you think the next priority for the roadmap should be. But of course none of that ever happens. The previous vision gets memory-holed, and replaced with a new one ASAP. It's the "never stop talking" approach to distracting from failure.
The only time you get to pull items off the backlog and put them in the work stream is when members of the executive management team have failed two or three times in a row and they're just pretending to work while they look for new jobs. As they are "offboarding" and the company has to onboard replacements, there's a leadership vacuum. That brief 1-3 quarter transition period is when you can get your jabs in and build features the user base is actually asking for.
I turned building dark mode into a crusade at one point. The executive management team were all light mode squares and made fun of it: "Oh, yeah, sure. We're going to add dark mode and suddenly customers are going to be pounding at our door begging to sign up. Uh huh." But of course, it's not about "10x-ing" sales. It's about staying in-step with your user base's expectations and keeping them happy so they don't get annoyed and look at your competitors. It was only during one of these big leadership shake-ups I was able to say "Hey, don't worry. We've got plenty of valuable work on the backlog. I'll just take care of things." Boom - dark mode was done and deployed in a few sprints. We had a bunch of users send us feedback that they appreciated it, and now we've got more than half our user base with it set as their default.
Right now, my team and I are in one of these "building their vision" stretches, and it's going so poorly the team is actively cracking jokes about how out of touch the leadership team is behind their backs. At this point I'm hoping they get so embarrassed by the state of the project in Q1 that they pull the rip cord.
You build up a backlog of user stories while the Dev team works on the vision that both you, and they, know are not going to increase sales. You spend however-many quarters building and rolling out the new feature, and then it doesn't go anywhere. Users don't care. The sales don't materialize as expected. You sit there for quarter after quarter waiting for the executive management team to acknowledge it was all a big waste of time, admit their failure, and come to you asking what you think the next priority for the roadmap should be. But of course none of that ever happens. The previous vision gets memory-holed, and replaced with a new one ASAP. It's the "never stop talking" approach to distracting from failure.
The only time you get to pull items off the backlog and put them in the work stream is when members of the executive management team have failed two or three times in a row and they're just pretending to work while they look for new jobs. As they are "offboarding" and the company has to onboard replacements, there's a leadership vacuum. That brief 1-3 quarter transition period is when you can get your jabs in and build features the user base is actually asking for.
I turned building dark mode into a crusade at one point. The executive management team were all light mode squares and made fun of it: "Oh, yeah, sure. We're going to add dark mode and suddenly customers are going to be pounding at our door begging to sign up. Uh huh." But of course, it's not about "10x-ing" sales. It's about staying in-step with your user base's expectations and keeping them happy so they don't get annoyed and look at your competitors. It was only during one of these big leadership shake-ups I was able to say "Hey, don't worry. We've got plenty of valuable work on the backlog. I'll just take care of things." Boom - dark mode was done and deployed in a few sprints. We had a bunch of users send us feedback that they appreciated it, and now we've got more than half our user base with it set as their default.
Right now, my team and I are in one of these "building their vision" stretches, and it's going so poorly the team is actively cracking jokes about how out of touch the leadership team is behind their backs. At this point I'm hoping they get so embarrassed by the state of the project in Q1 that they pull the rip cord.
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StereoVsn
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You mean you didn't want god damn AI in your basic Notepad app. I am shocked!
Unknown Soldier
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This is crazy 
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clappedcheeks
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So they're still useless cunts then
Bry0
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Not only does this guy get it, he lives it. Read this people!
Jinzo Prime
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The biggest problem with KDE is that it can break, and the only thing you have is a terminal left to figure out how to get your whole desktop back.
Ask me how I know.
It technically isn't the most popular OS in the world anymore, Android is. It's still the most popular desktop OS, however.
falconhoof
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Every time you see something stupid come from Microsoft. Go take a look at their blog and it helps bring perspective to the situation.
kevboard
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see, the Linux bros won after all! a Linux variant rules the world
EverydayBeast
ChatShitGPT Alpha 0.001
Moving the taskbar was unfortunate
Jinzo Prime
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Android is what happens when someone puts money into making Linux work for end users. Also not having a million different app stores and app formats.
Unknown Soldier
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Apple did this on the desktop too but people still think Macs all cost $5000 or something when in reality you could get an M4 MacBook Air for $750 during Black Friday and most of December
sainraja
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Probably not the most popular... just the most used, due to pricing, affordability of the "Windows" ecosystem.
Jinzo Prime
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You could also get a M4 Mac Mini for $480. Comically low, unupgradable storage, however.
S0ULZB0URNE
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Lying or incompetent?
Both are bad MS.
Both are bad MS.
Unknown Soldier
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While non-upgradable storage is quite aggravating on a laptop, on a desktop like the Mac Mini you could just connect an external SSD to the Thunderbolt port for more storage
Shadowstar39
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In other words it has nothing to do with Ai so they won't waste resources. Greedy cints.
Unknown Soldier
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This actually isn't the thing that aggravates me about Windows the most
What really drives me up the wall is how Windows handles simple file copies. Let's say I want to copy a bunch of directories from point A to point B. If I just drag the directories, Windows starts copying 10,000 files. If at any time Windows encounters an error during the copy, it simply beeps at you and disappears the copy progress box. No indication of what the error was. The copy just stops. And there is no log of any kind that tells you what the error was, which file failed to copy, or what the progress was up until that point. It just silently fails
The actual, recommended method for trying to copy a large number of files is to use a command-line tool called "robocopy" which can actually log what was copied and if an error happens it will record the error and allow you to continue the copy past the error file instead of just failing
Windows is such a piece of shit
Drell
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Well they should just ask their hyper intelligent co-pilot AI they brag so much about how to do it... My god, a fucking 4 trillion dollars company, holding up the whole sector since the 90s with their shitty OS monopoly, can't even do something a student programmer may be asked to do for some end of first year project. Shame to them.
Soodanim
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On one hand I appreciate that Windows 11 finally added tabs for basic things like Notepad and Explorer. But Explorer doesn't have an option to make everything use one window, which is a basic requirement of any tabbed interface.
The taskbar not moving is something others have solved for them, so there's no excuse, but what annoys me more is them taking away the option to cascade windows. What technical reason was behind removing a feature that took windows and made them all the same size with offset positions?
Microsoft's MO is apparently to "upgrade" by taking away features people use. If/when Outlook Classic goes, if they haven't ported over every last detail to the featureless waste if time web version I'm going to have to pull strings and move the company I work for to something with decent functionality. But even Outlook Classic doesn't always work. Search folders for shared inboxes flat out don't exist, and search views may or may not update visually when changed. Even searching can be inconsistent to say the least.
You'd think software designed primarily for business use would be the place where more functionality is added and existing ones are refined, but no.
Oh, and I tried to make use of multiple desktops the other day and keep just 4 spreadsheets on desktop 2, but that went pear shaped instantly when trying to open another spreadsheet on desktop 1 and I was dragged into desktop 2 without warning because Excel apparently spawns additional instances from an existing instance.
Windows introduces usability problems the moment you step out of the most basic boxes.
I even have a problem with the windows keyboard shortcuts. In KDE it's Super+PgUp to maximise, and Super+Arrows to move to screen edges. No PgUp on Win11, and I'm fighting with it trying to get something to do basic things. So unintuitive.
It does feel like the more you know the more Windows becomes burdensome.
The taskbar not moving is something others have solved for them, so there's no excuse, but what annoys me more is them taking away the option to cascade windows. What technical reason was behind removing a feature that took windows and made them all the same size with offset positions?
Microsoft's MO is apparently to "upgrade" by taking away features people use. If/when Outlook Classic goes, if they haven't ported over every last detail to the featureless waste if time web version I'm going to have to pull strings and move the company I work for to something with decent functionality. But even Outlook Classic doesn't always work. Search folders for shared inboxes flat out don't exist, and search views may or may not update visually when changed. Even searching can be inconsistent to say the least.
You'd think software designed primarily for business use would be the place where more functionality is added and existing ones are refined, but no.
Oh, and I tried to make use of multiple desktops the other day and keep just 4 spreadsheets on desktop 2, but that went pear shaped instantly when trying to open another spreadsheet on desktop 1 and I was dragged into desktop 2 without warning because Excel apparently spawns additional instances from an existing instance.
Windows introduces usability problems the moment you step out of the most basic boxes.
I even have a problem with the windows keyboard shortcuts. In KDE it's Super+PgUp to maximise, and Super+Arrows to move to screen edges. No PgUp on Win11, and I'm fighting with it trying to get something to do basic things. So unintuitive.
It does feel like the more you know the more Windows becomes burdensome.