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[JeTmAn81]

Arthur Gies deserves zero discussion in this forum. He's irrelevant.

 

[old manatee]

Remember when the Brodeo turned into the official podcast for Games for Windows and those guys just mecilessly went after Microsoft for how shitty Games for Windows was?

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

So not confirming is now confirmation of unconfirmed things?

I saw this on the boondocks once:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2msQwpzatQc

 

[railGUN]

Microsoft advertises on most, if not all the sites that have reported about this.

But did they directly fund those sites?

 

[TriangularDuck]

Daaaaammnnn! It hit Yahoo?

Shieeet.

Grandmas everywhere are asking themselves what always-online means.

 

[LuuKyK]

Nah, it's good enough for me, thanks.

Found it:

"Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally. Social is big for us, but we understand there are some people who are anti-social! So if you don't want to connect to anyone else, you can do that."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-playstation-4-does-not-require-an-internet-connection

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Exactly.

Plenty of people have done that the last couple times he put his foot in his mouth. At this point he doesn't even deserve that level of respect considering how little respect he has shown people who have disagreed with him before. Constantly discounting valid opinions and talking down to peope who have been nothing but respectable to him on twitter.

He's become nothing but a troll, and there's nothing wrong with calling a troll out for being the asshole that he is.

 

[Dick Justice]

Gies is quite the expensive whore. 750k for a throrough cocksucking? Good Lord.

 

[Arkham]

Why try harder?

Oh Gies.

Gies is fine in that exchange. (Gasp!)

But Holy Shit at that Plebby Giraffe asshole. GDF, assemble!

 

[kaching]

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The ball will stop on its own by this time tomorrow. What MS did was provide the standard corporate response which was exactly all they had to do.

That'll buy them nothing but a temporary reprieve if there's any actual legitimacy to this rumor.

It's not like this is the first time this has been discussed, and it's only gaining momentum with each new outing.

 

[TacticalFox88]

http://news.yahoo.com/microsoft-exec-tells-critics-possible-always-online-xbox-183514030.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Welp. Wrap it up folks. This train is still going!

 

[unbias]

It's almost like he agrees with the general sentiment on NeoGAF that an always-online console would suck for consumers, thus people who don't have a stable internet connection (or who object to the business practice) should simply refuse to buy one and get a PS4 instead.

I wonder why he hasn't said that.

Umm, what? That tweet on its own says nothing, outside of he thinks they are stupid if they do it, not that always online is bad. About the only thing he is doing is trying to tell people to stop complaining about it. If you notice when Joey told him there was no fury he then said "learn to read all I said was it was stupid"... I'm sorry, but either Arthur is a moron who doenst understand what he types or he clearly has a goal of discrediting the vocal disapproval of what MS might do. Otherwise his stance wouldn't be what hit has been on twitter, the only reason he gets hate is because instead of talking about it he instead attacks those who are against the always online drm console idea.

 

[Derrick01]

Arthur Gies deserves zero discussion in this forum. He's irrelevant.

Seriously. Stop making his dick hard by talking about him all of the time. Don't give his ego the pleasure.

 

[michaelius]

Is it just me, or does Gies pull himself into the center of everything lately?

Life sux when you are attention whore and noone gives a fuck about what you write everyday

 

[Yawnier]

Arthur Gies deserves zero discussion in this forum. He's irrelevant.

Agreed, that EviLore post sums him up well.

 

[Aquamarine]

Yes, but this is not a response to an isolated article speculating that the console requires an internet connection.

This is a steamroller of bad PR. You don't just let that beast plow through all your best-laid plans. Unless there's truth there.

Honestly, like I said earlier, it would have been best for Microsoft to stay 100% silent on this.

Just responding at all, without denying always-online ambitions, immediately fuels the fire of anti-Microsoft rage.

I don't think it's the job of PR to stoke the flames.

 

[Queen of Hunting]

the fact that most recently ms and sony have just started to get more mmos on there consoles probs shows where consoles are going nayway. if it was 5 years ago ms would of been like fuck off to defiance

 

[Protome]

We've had a lot of these controversy-caused super long threads recently. I can't wait for the next one.

 

[Demon Ice]

I'm about as pro-Sony as they come... but REALLY? You can't at least wait until the system is unveiled and the details are official?

Weren't you the one in that other thread that was saying how it was no big deal if the Nextbox was always online because it's not the end of the world if you can't play your games exactly when you want to?

Pro-Sony? Lol k.

 

[AstroNut325]

The Verge can be trusted. The same can not be said for Polygon.

Actually no. All of Vox media is crap.

Weren't you the one in that other thread that was saying how it was no big deal if the Nextbox was always online because it's not the end of the world if you can't play your games exactly when you want to?

Pro-Sony? Lol k.

So... just because I don't find always online "offensive" doesn't mean I support MS. Go through my post history.

 

[Lunar15]

But did they directly fund those sites?

They didn't directly fund Polygon. Polygon was created by the Vox Media. Unless microsoft was an investor in Vox, then they merely paid for a large advertising campaign, which happens all the time on many sites.

Not defending Microsoft/Polygon here. If anything this means Polygon isn't even fiscally motivated to ignore this problem. They're just lazy/don't care.

 

[Punkster_NY]

Good job, GAF. you might have managed to save Microsoft from their own idiocy.

if they STILL go this always- online route after this? they are truly doomed.

that statement changes nothing that's just typical PR speak. no this decision was made years ago by MS so don't think a small incident like this is going to change anything.

 

[Foffy]

what difference does it make? Microsoft couldn't give less of a shit whether the hardcore are salivating over the console, because they know that they will buy the console anyways. Not like Nintendo's strategy is paying dividends anyways.

I think this thread has had enough people show you that there is an audience that will not be for this. So it does matter overall, yes. As for Nintendo, their fuckups have been what they've done post-release, like launch lineups and post-launch content. Nintendo never really botched a reveal unless you consider everything we thought about Wii U turning to be absolutely true when they first showed it, but that was a botch because we knew everything.

 

[Duelist]

It's really not much of a guarantee, it's not a QoS agreement, it's just shutting down folks who don't conform to a threshold of acceptable performance, whether by their own failing or not.

And how many devs are going to be making games "targeted solely for this specific console" next gen? I really doubt this all just for the 1st party devs sake.

No game gets built targeting 100% of the userbase. If you want to build an online-only RPG, you don't need every console owner to be always online, you build it as intended and market it to the segment of the market that's interested in that sort of thing. That's why markets exist, after all.

What next, demanding purchase pledges from every console buyer at checkout, that they will comply in buying X copies of games from each game genre?

Yeah I mean now that Sony's stance on this is pretty clear, having always-on is a pretty terrible idea.

The point I was trying (and apparently failing) to make is that raising the baseline on internet connectivity will allow devs more room to innovate in the online space.

 

[educator]

Again, couldn't they do what Nintendo did? Confirm the successor, give a basic idea of what it'll be, but leave the system reveal and various other facets to the reveal. Playing it as if all news about this new system simply doesn't exist until they actually show it off is currently doing more harm than good.

I see nothing alarming about confirming Durango, making a comment on this stuff, and then talking about an event they have in the works for it unless they really don't want to make a comment on this matter. They're not fooling anyone for a reveal. Not wanting to deny this right now really points to them hoping they have something to show to counterbalance this element.

I see where you're coming from, and I do know that the Xbox 720 is under development. But keep in mind that the PR-firm hired by Microsoft is under heavy control and every statement made has to go through many different levels to be authorized. There is no way Microsoft would confirm the existence of the 720 through a statement regarding a "negative" situation like this.

I would guess that Microsoft is under very much stress right now. I have no idea how far they have come in laying the final design and specs, but they know that time is hunting them. The longer discussions/flaming like this keeps going, the tougher it's going to get for them.

 

[Neuromancer]

I received an official statement from Microsoft a few minutes ago, via their PR agency Edelman:

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...ll-require-always-on-internet-connection.aspx

Interesting, hopefully this part means something:

his personal views are not reflective of those of the company

 

[PaulExcellent]

So not confirming is now confirmation of unconfirmed things?

I saw this on the boondocks once:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2msQwpzatQc

Thank you for the morning awesome.

 

[i-Lo]

Yahoo News
http://news.yahoo.com/microsoft-exe...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Newser
http://www.newser.com/story/165741/microsoft-exec-takes-flak-over-deal-with-it-response.html

BGR
http://bgr.com/2013/04/05/microsoft-executive-xbox-720-criticism-response-416859/

Makes me wonder if this will elicit and more thorough response from MS (besides the one we got) forcing a premature announcement of the XB3.

*ba dum tiss*

 

[kaching]

Pro-Sony? Lol k.

Think of it like Witness Protection.

 

[eot]

I don't really think how bad Microsoft realizes this is for their public image.

IGN posted the news story less than a couple hours ago and this comment already has 6000 upvotes.

I hate to say it but stuff like that doesn't mean a thing. If the always on thing is real then it's not going to be an issue until it doesn't work. Of course there's a large chance that it won't work, but if it does work then this internet tantrum is irrelevant. MS haven't given you any of the reasons why you should buy the thing yet (obviously since it's not even announced) and if it turns out they have good reasons why you should buy it then their marketing will fucking blast through this noise.

People don't get mad until something affects them. It's extremely rare that people care enough about something that might happen for it to matter. Yes this thing blew up but on the outrage radar it doesn't make a blip.

 

[Ginko]

Metro UK

http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/05/micro...ys-online-xbox-rumours-is-dealwithit-3584410/

Tech Spot

http://www.techspot.com/news/52157-microsoft-creative-director-on-always-on-console-dealwithit.html

 

[artist]

I would really like the people accusing Sunhi's GIF to contain homophobic slurs, please point it out. Throwing out baseless accusations as such, which are highly sensitive in nature, wont go unnoticed.

I would request the mods to take action on the accusers if they fail to present proof of the accusation, it's GAF's rep on the line and I highly take offense to anyone calling us out (falsely) like this.

 

[harSon]

But did they directly fund those sites?

They funded MSNBC

 

[Exr]

Arthur Gies deserves zero discussion in this forum. He's irrelevant.

Yes, YES PLEASE EVERYONE READ THIS POST

 

[jtb]

I think this thread has had enough people show you that there is an audience that will not be for this. So it does matter overall, yes. As for Nintendo, their fuckups have been what they've done post-release, like launch lineups and post-launch content. Nintendo never really botched a reveal unless you consider everything we thought about Wii U turning to be absolutely true when they first showed it, but that was a botch because we knew everything.

Yes, but that has to do with the console itself—not the reveal. They can either appease a very small minority of fans who do care (and, let's face it, NeoGAF is the minority of the most hardcore of the hardcore; that's why people read this forum) about this particular shitstorm, or they can try to appeal to the 60m+ people that bought a 360. I know which one they'll be targeting with the reveal and I completely understand why. Because it's common sense.

 

[madmackem]

The Escapist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YUDlYxUb5E

Moar andrea rene i approve this link, ms finds itself in a shitstorm right now, this bloke should fear for his job with the amount of shit hes brought to his employers door.

 

[B-Dex]

They didn't directly fund Polygon. Polygon was created by the Vox Media. Unless microsoft was an investor in Vox, then they merely paid for a large advertising campaign, which happens all the time on many sites.

Not defending Microsoft/Polygon here. If anything this means Polygon isn't even fiscally motivated to ignore this problem. They're just lazy/don't care.

MS gave Polygon 750k to make a documentary about why Polygon is different. :Kappa

 

[Vire]

I hate to say it but stuff like that doesn't mean a thing. If the always on thing is real then it's not going to be an issue until it doesn't work. Of course there's a large chance that it won't work, but if it does work then this internet tantrum is irrelevant. MS haven't given you any of the reasons why you should buy the thing yet (obviously since it's not even announced) and if it turns out they have good reasons why you should buy it then their marketing will fucking blast through this noise.

People don't get mad until something affects them. It's extremely rare that people care enough about something that might happen for it to matter. Yes this thing blew up but on the outrage radar it doesn't make a blip.

Outrage meter doesn't make a blip?

Yahoo fucking news just made a story about it. If it's seeping into mainstream media and press, Microsoft has a big problem on their hands.

I also don't think I have ever seen 7000 likes on a measly IGN article.

 

[stktt]

Should have used Segoe. Otherwise perfect.

 

[JCreasy]

I don't really think how bad Microsoft realizes this is for their public image.

IGN posted the news story less than a couple hours ago and this comment already has 6000 upvotes.

Sony should run a "deal with it" ad promotion with links to preorders of the PS4

 

[Boss Man]

Interesting, hopefully this part means something:

It means that Microsoft's 'official' stance is not that the place you live sucks and you should just deal with it. Not that always-online won't be a thing, that's not an opinion.

I hope this backlash is enough to make them change their plans.

 

[neorej]

Remember how this gem hurt X360 sales?
www.1up.com/news/peter-moore-360-failure-rates

Yeah, I fully expect this to have similar consequences.

 

[madmackem]

Metro UK

http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/05/micro...ys-online-xbox-rumours-is-dealwithit-3584410/

I wonder if it runs in the paper as well, shit is getting real.

 

[NullPointer]

The Escapist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YUDlYxUb5E

I always love news that includes "that's kindof a dick move"

 

[Takuya]

I'm about as pro-Sony as they come... but REALLY? You can't at least wait until the system is unveiled and the details are official?

Except... I'm not getting the next XBOX! Not sure because always online and DRM... it's the lack of new and interesting games. Go through my post history. I have no allegiance to any company.

I just don't see the big deal of this.

o_o

 

[jtb]

Outrage meter doesn't make a blip?

Yahoo fucking news just made an article about it. I also don't think I have ever seen 7000 likes on a measly IGN article.

Yahoo news is a fucking embarrassment, "journalism" on par with the likes of Gies really. you can't measure these things by "likes"—this is the hardcore we're talking about here. A very very vocal minority who vote with their "like" buttons far more than they vote with their wallet.

 

[theycallmeryan]

Wow, way to shoot yourself in the foot Microsoft. This is not only absolutely terrible PR, but a terrible idea to have always online. I can think of a scenario that could happen within a few months of launch: Xbox Live goes down and you can't play your games offline, a first for consoles, and people decide to sell their Xboxes and switch to PS4s. If Microsoft has a Sony level outage of a month or more, they are done.

 

[Triple U]

I hate to say it but stuff like that doesn't mean a thing. If the always on thing is real then it's not going to be an issue until it doesn't work. Of course there's a large chance that it won't work, but if it does work then this internet tantrum is irrelevant. MS haven't given you any of the reasons why you should buy the thing yet (obviously since it's not even announced) and if it turns out they have good reasons why you should buy it then their marketing will fucking blast through this noise.

People don't get mad until something affects them. It's extremely rare that people care enough about something that might happen for it to matter. Yes this thing blew up but on the outrage radar it doesn't make a blip.

According to that last thread, about 40 percent of 360 owners don't connect to live. At current numbers that would be 32 million. Alot more than nobody.

 

[aeolist]

I love all the Gies shit, dude is hilarious

I tried to tell him that over Twitter and he blocked me though : (

 

[BadAss2961]

Sony should run a "deal with it" ad promotion with links to preorders of the PS4

They really should bring this shit back to the 90's.