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Microsoft Studios' creative director has some choice words about always-online
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Time zones. It's probably not in the States.
If we go back in time, Microsoft almost never responds to rumors or allegations with a genuine answer, they treat scrutiny and questioning in the same vein as the United States treats negotiations with terrorists.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Thanks. The Sweet Billy and Aaron Greenburg stuff is new to me.
I noticed this morning I lost a follower on Twitter. I'm guessing it has to do with my retweets on the matter as that's never happened before for me. I've barely even used Twitter until very recently. Heh.
GiantBreadbug
Member
Could someone with screenshot capabilities capture the fantastic bit between Gies and myself on Twitter? I would, but my phone (oddly) has no such function.
My handle is @GiantBreadbug. I think our short exchange is interesting.
Here it is paraphrased until someone can screencap it:
Me: Hundreds of thousands of people everywhere do not have access to a stable connection. They would not be able to play games.
Gies: yep. i know.
My handle is @GiantBreadbug. I think our short exchange is interesting.
Here it is paraphrased until someone can screencap it:
Me: Hundreds of thousands of people everywhere do not have access to a stable connection. They would not be able to play games.
Gies: yep. i know.
Vire
Member
If I were Sony I would release a statement today saying that the system will not have always online requirements just to pile onto the shitstorm.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
StriKeVillain
Banned
They can't comment on a console/system that hasn't been announced yet. What'd you think they would say?
PaulExcellent
Member
I usually really like Arthur Gies and his articles.
Today, not so much.
I mean, I understand that he does not want to comment on rumours and such. And that's fine.
He can have a preference on what to report.
Still, the way he is acting makes it seem strange and rather hurtful. There is no need to make such "classy" statements against a gaming community that just wants the truth, and is rather upset.
Come on, man. There has got to be other ways of discussing the issue at hand, rather than just rip on Neogaf.
Today, not so much.
I mean, I understand that he does not want to comment on rumours and such. And that's fine.
He can have a preference on what to report.
Still, the way he is acting makes it seem strange and rather hurtful. There is no need to make such "classy" statements against a gaming community that just wants the truth, and is rather upset.
Come on, man. There has got to be other ways of discussing the issue at hand, rather than just rip on Neogaf.
Apparently this thread full of concerned gamers is actually full of "vomit and diarrhea." Charming. But hey, there might be "one good post" amongst it all.
Damn this dude just does not know how to take an L.
At the same time, it's not entirely surprising nor revelatory that they are silent on an as-yet-unannounced product.
Neko Mimi Mode
Member
Nope. They can't confirm or deny anything because the next Xbox doesn't even officially exist.
Expect your denial of always online when they actually announce/unveil the console and not a tweet earlier.
lastflowers
Banned
Not necessarily at all.
Time zones, how do they work... ?
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Deleted member 17706
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Is Polygon seriously like the only site that didn't report on this?
Off-Kilter
Banned
Damn, didn't know you were a GAFer too.
As for the statement, a little more personalized than their "we don't comment on rumors or speculation" tripe but still pretty much the same thing. I found it interesting that they're saying Orth is not reflective of Microsoft but isn't he at a pretty high position there?
Delusibeta
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7echnicolor
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TriangularDuck
Member
man if this is the same Adam Orth that played bass for Weezer briefly, I don't give a fuck this guy rules
JCreasy
Member
Wow. Lesson of the thread: don't be Captain Save'em for Microsoft.
I remember people used to beleive MS will go big and have a ecosystem by controlling the living room entertainment, have apps and services all part of the ecosystem between Xbox, tablets, phones and PCs through Windows 8. Control everything with a nice interface usin Windows 8, touch on Tablets and phones ad Kinect on Xbox.
But all those plans went to shit:
Surface tablet didn't take the tablet market by fire
Windows 8 turned out to be garbage
Windows Mobile isn't as popular
Kinect while successful, seems like its a fad, look at what happened to motio gaming on Wii
Durango rumors of always online getting backlash
PS4 reveal surprisingly had a decent showing, seems like they have learnt a lot about OS features, online and social features
But all those plans went to shit:
Surface tablet didn't take the tablet market by fire
Windows 8 turned out to be garbage
Windows Mobile isn't as popular
Kinect while successful, seems like its a fad, look at what happened to motio gaming on Wii
Durango rumors of always online getting backlash
PS4 reveal surprisingly had a decent showing, seems like they have learnt a lot about OS features, online and social features
"Not my problem, not a valid argument." (Which is, rather coincidentally, the same response to SimCity, IIRC?)
Damnit, I really wanted a time machine though =\.
Pfff more like Canada = the world. Step yo game up.
It's almost like he agrees with the general sentiment on NeoGAF that an always-online console would suck for consumers, thus people who don't have a stable internet connection (or who object to the business practice) should simply refuse to buy one and get a PS4 instead.
I wonder why he hasn't said that.
Alx
Member
They certainly organized a big show for the official reveal. They spent a lot of time and money to keep all info on their new console under a lid, hunting leakers up to the other end of the world... why would they risk ruining that by answering to rumors and reactions on the internet ?
If anything all the bad buzz will guarantee that there will be many, many people watching their unveiling. Some who want to laugh at them, others who don't believe the rumors, and even more people who want to know what it's all about.
In the end if it is true they won't be in a worst place than if they admit it now. If anything, the games, features and possible conditions of that "always online" thing may help them sell the idea. And of course if it is false, then everything will be forgotten, and they could add a positive spin to all the attention they're getting.
After some pointing out he's part of a team of a dozen or more people, he also isn't close to the upper echelon of Microsoft management at all.
Has Sony debunked always online for their console?
So someone from MS finally responds but they only distance themselves from Sweet Billy.
If always online is a feature they needed to issue an apology now for his behavior (they didn't need to confirm the rumors about their feature set). By not apologizing for it people could hold a grudge against them for not acknowledging the severity of his behavior towards them. As a result when MS does announce always online they'll remember this incident and see it is MS temporarily distancing themselves because they do agree with Sweet Billy's underlying sentiments that anyone with a spotty connection should just roll over and get kicked.
If always online isn't a feature a direct apology isn't as necessary.
If always online is a feature they needed to issue an apology now for his behavior (they didn't need to confirm the rumors about their feature set). By not apologizing for it people could hold a grudge against them for not acknowledging the severity of his behavior towards them. As a result when MS does announce always online they'll remember this incident and see it is MS temporarily distancing themselves because they do agree with Sweet Billy's underlying sentiments that anyone with a spotty connection should just roll over and get kicked.
If always online isn't a feature a direct apology isn't as necessary.
Aquamarine
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Microsoft realizes that there's a lot of negative sentiment about the possibility of an always-online Durango.
Everyone and their mother knows that Durango is coming. Major Nelson even put up a giant countdown to E3 with a Durango hint on his website.
It WOULD NOT have hurt Microsoft's PR to make a simple statement defining that Microsoft's policy is fundamentally pro-consumer.
What I think is Microsoft hasn't made a final decision yet.
He might be the same guy, oddly enough.
Being a bassist would explain the pent-up anger at least.
fargofallout
Member
GiantBomb hasn't, but they usually don't wade into stuff like this on their front page. They're more interested in entertainment and actual news (as bad as this thing is, I don't necessarily think it's "news" - it's one dumbass employee saying something stupid).
Why not announce it then? Wasn't that how 3DS or Wii U was first announced? As a direct response to major Japanese news networks spilling the beans?
Broder Salsa
Banned
Apparently this thread full of concerned gamers is actually full of "vomit and diarrhea." Charming. But hey, there might be "one good post" amongst it all.
He never fails to amaze.
Yes, on an interview. I cant find the link now though.
TriangularDuck
Member
seriously listen to Adam Orth shred the fucking bass on one of the greatest songs of all time
so fucking good
so fucking good
grudges? really now?
I have no idea what Microsoft will do with their console, but internet grudges will have zero influence on whether it succeeds or fails.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
That is their only play. Unless it really blows up. That's how corporate adults handle media frenzy... and why they pay millions for good PR people.
GiantBreadbug
Member
It's more about how he's thrown down the "prove to me that always-online is bad" gauntlet, and is flatly disregarding pretty much every intelligible argument.
His goalposts, they sway elegantly in the breeze.
But I thought everybody forgot about PS4. It came and went.I don't really think how bad Microsoft realizes this is for their public image.
IGN posted the news story less than a couple hours ago and this comment already has 6000 upvotes.
No person is reflective of the company's stance when that person says something not sanctioned by said company.
A lot of companies have been forced to be so....procedure and guideline oriented, that to break an accepted process or procedure, even if for a good reason, simply isn't allowed without meetings and approvals. Sometimes by their legal departments.
It's their policy to not comment on rumors or speculation about unreleased products. Their employees / PR probably literally can't go against that without a slew of meetings / authorizations.