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[PsychoSoldier]

This is a hypothetical. A hypothetical! It could very well turn out to be true, or they could fix it in time for the reveal, or it may just be complete BS. i think the former is the most likely, but that doesn't change the fact that nothing is confirmed, nothing is in the consumer's hands.

Compare this to something that was tangible and a real, true fuck up of epic proportions: the RROD. They released a console that was DEFECTIVE and most people still didn't give a shit once they fixed the problem and 360 has solds loads and loads of consoles since then.

No one gives a shit about this. They will give a shit if it's always online, but this mini-shitstorm? It'll blow over. It always does.

It is, however, helping to shape the narrative about what the Durango is, and instead of being in a position of creating the narrative around their console, Microsoft is going to have to do everything to redirect that narrative elsewhere.

The narrative created before the consoles release does matter, ultimately.

 

[jtb]

According to that last thread, about 40 percent of 360 owners don't connect to live. At current numbers that would be 32 million. Alot more than nobody.

Exactly. It'll affect them once the console comes out and is confirmed to be online-only. But this? This is just a minor PR embarassment. It doesn't become a problem until we know for certain that this is what Microsoft's plan is and what they're bringing (or taking away) to the table.

 

[Vire]

Yahoo news is a fucking embarrassment, "journalism" on par with the likes of Gies really. you can't measure these things by "likes"—this is the hardcore we're talking about here. A very very vocal minority who vote with their "like" buttons far more than they vote with their wallet.

Yahoo news may be a journalistic embarrassment, but that doesn't mean they don't have sway.

When Red Ring of Death, iPhone 4's antenna issues spread like wildfire throughout mainstream media, it had a major impact on sales and the companies stock.

 

[MaulerX]

I agree that they could have debunked the rumor without acknowledging the 720, but consider this...

Doing so would have taken alot of the "mystery" from their unveil. Millions of people will likely tune-in (fans and haters alike) just to see what they have to say on that matter alone. At this point it's almost guaranteed that they'll shatter console unveil viewership.

 

[Impeccable]

Exactly. It'll affect them once the console comes out and is confirmed to be online-only. But this? This is just a minor PR embarassment. It doesn't become a problem until we know for certain that this is what Microsoft's plan is and what they're bringing (or taking away) to the table.

I mean on the grand scale of things you could be right.

It's insane to think damage isn't being done though.

 

[Arkham]

Grandmas everywhere are asking themselves what always-online means.

Isn't that when the metal hinge on a clothespin or pulley-wheel rusts, leaving your girdle stuck flapping in the wind and you can't do a goshdarn damned thing about it?

 

[Perkel]

Sigh...you do realize that they review what the publisher decide to send them? It's not their fault (and it's the same with all the sites) if the publishers almost only send 360 copies for review.

nm

edit: Wrong comment !

 

[Dude Abides]

This whole thing is just fantastic. Former Weezer bassist now working at Microsoft makes incredibly dickish tweets about always-online. Then widely despised game "journalist" gets all passive aggressive and douchey about it on twitter. Very entertaining on a Friday.

 

[SmartBase]

I like the backflip these guys made, like they're trying to leverage themselves for employment in politics.

 

[Takuya]

Yahoo news is a fucking embarrassment, "journalism" on par with the likes of Gies really. you can't measure these things by "likes"—this is the hardcore we're talking about here. A very very vocal minority who vote with their "like" buttons far more than they vote with their wallet.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3032118/ns/technology_and_science/

Microsoft executive to 'always-online' Xbox critics: 'Deal with it'

 

[Busty]

I love all the Gies shit, dude is hilarious

I tried to tell him that over Twitter and he blocked me though : (

If you're blocked how will you ever learn of all high quality products that MS will be releasing?

 

[Mr Swine]

Wow, way to shoot yourself in the foot Microsoft. This is not only absolutely terrible PR, but a terrible idea to have always online. I can think of a scenario that could happen within a few months of launch: Xbox Live goes down and you can't play your games offline, a first for consoles, and people decide to sell their Xboxes and switch to PS4s. If Microsoft has a Sony level outage of a month or more, they are done.

Don't you think that MS has this covered already? Jesus, everyone here sounds like MS is stupid and incompetent that can't do anything right. Also this doesn't really confirm that Xbox is always going to have an Internet connection to play games or whatever

 

[bGanci]

 

[MormaPope]

Yahoo news may be a journalistic embarrassment, but that doesn't mean they don't have sway.

When Red Ring of Death, iPhone 4's antenna issues spread like wildfire throughout mainstream media, it had a major impact on sales and the companies stock.

Those are hardware defects/oversights, what's happening now is a heavily rumored feature for the Durango is being questioned and thought about even more because some dude got mad at people getting mad over always online rumors.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Wow, way to shoot yourself in the foot Microsoft. This is not only absolutely terrible PR, but a terrible idea to have always online. I can think of a scenario that could happen within a few months of launch: Xbox Live goes down and you can't play your games offline, a first for consoles, and people decide to sell their Xboxes and switch to PS4s. If Microsoft has a Sony level outage of a month or more, they are done.

Microsoft should publicly apologize and cancel always online or you can kiss your business goodbye.

 

[Adam Blue]

This whole thing is just fantastic. Former Weezer bassist now working at Microsoft makes incredibly dickish tweets about always-online. Then widely despised game "journalist" gets all passive aggressive and douchey about it on twitter. Very entertaining on a Friday.

Yeah, this week has been pretty boring.

 

[Maxrunner]

What's the latest on this? What about Gies?

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Okay, last Gies bit I swear. Just read the exchange in its entirety.

https://twitter.com/GiantBreadbug/status/320242137411244032

 

[jtb]

It is, however, helping to shape the narrative about what the Durango is, and instead of being in a position of creating the narrative around their console, Microsoft is going to have to do everything to redirect that narrative elsewhere.

The narrative created before the consoles release does matter, ultimately.

I disagree. The narrative matters, but its incredibly overstated by places like NeoGAF. Let's face it, everyone on this site thought (and rightly so) that PS3 was a massive failure when it was released; the 360 had very tepid sales for its first couple years as well. But these companies have deep, deep pockets and with the length of generations getting longer and longer, the release narrative matters less and less. They can completely fuck up the release (FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARS comes to mind, as does Microsoft releasing a console that was effectively defective) and still come out with a console that sells 50m+ consoles.

This generation will be all about the long-game.

 

[iamvin22]

Nathan Gary ‏@Nathan_Gary

Terrible to watch friend and good guy @adam_orth get torn up by the mob. A sarcastic conversation between friends blown out of proportion.
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Abreey ‏@11000Wattz

@Nathan_Gary its unfair to call NeoGAF a mob. Orth should have never intended/ trolled a friend on a public forum at his level @MS

 

[SniperHunter]

Agreed, that EviLore post sums him up well.

which post?

 

[blackflag]

Can we just stop talking about Gies please?

We all realize he's a joke, but in his own world he's just rationalizing it as "haters" or whatever. There's no good in it. And Polygon might as well be a banned site here if they seriously aren't reporting on gaming news that is big enough to be on NBC. It's become more and more obvious that they have a vested interest that makes the site disreputable.

Totally agreed. At this point the forum would be better off. If discussion of him was off limits. Forget he existed.

 

[Busty]

This whole thing is just fantastic. Former Weezer bassist now working at Microsoft makes incredibly dickish tweets about always-online. Then widely despised game "journalist" gets all passive aggressive and douchey about it on twitter. Very entertaining on a Friday.

wut

 

[Perkel]

I received an official statement from Microsoft a few minutes ago, via their PR agency Edelman:

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...ll-require-always-on-internet-connection.aspx

This means... Yeah better pay our ISP bills.

 

[ironcreed]

LOL

 

[Angry Fork]

I'm kind of shocked/pleasantly surprised that this has gotten so much attention, not just on gaming sites but mainstream tech ones in general. It makes me wonder if the anti-online only/anti-DRM people aren't just a small niche. I imagine Microsoft can show something amazing at E3 to make people still want the console though.

 

[MYeager]

Microsoft should publicly apologize and cancel always online or you can kiss your business goodbye.

How do you cancel something you've never announced as a plan in the first place?

 

[Vire]

Those are hardware defects/oversights, what's happening now is a heavily rumored feature for the Durango is being questioned and thought about even more because some dude got mad at people getting mad over always online rumors.

The second some casual buys a game and can't play because of an extended outage, let me tell you the shit will hit the fan in terms of bad publicity.

I could even see lawsuits coming.

 

[Adamm]

Exactly. It'll affect them once the console comes out and is confirmed to be online-only. But this? This is just a minor PR embarassment. It doesn't become a problem until we know for certain that this is what Microsoft's plan is and what they're bringing (or taking away) to the table.

Stuff like this takes a long time to go away, especially since its being shown on mainstream news websites.

The headlines everywhere are saying that its always online, people will take this as fact unaware that it hasn't actually officially been announced.

 

[spirity]

Found it:



http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-playstation-4-does-not-require-an-internet-connection

I do wish people would stop saying "anti-social" when describing things that aren't "social". Just because I choose to play a single player game or don't give a shit about twitter or facebook doesn't mean I'm "anti-social"

 

[Palette Swap]

Jesus, everyone here sounds like MS is stupid and incompetent that can't do anything right.

Win 8 and Surface didn't exactly help.

 

[eot]

Outrage meter doesn't make a blip?

Yahoo fucking news just made a story about it. If it's seeping into mainstream media and press, Microsoft has a big problem on their hands.

I also don't think I have ever seen 7000 likes on a measly IGN article.

No it doesn't. If you want outrage that would seriously affect their product we're talking dominating the conversation for weeks on end, not a day or two.

 

[Lunar15]

MS gave Polygon 750k to make a documentary about why Polygon is different. :Kappa

Which is an ad buy. It's not "funding" a site. They're not an investor. If that makes you skeptical, that's understandable. But let's not mince words here.

 

[AstroNut325]

The second some casual buys a game and can't play because of an extended outage, let me tell you the shit will hit the fan in terms of bad publicity.

I could even see lawsuits coming.

Explain RROD.

 

[jaxpunk]

This guy wins at the internet, deal with it fucking hilarious.

137 pages and counting of people he's pissed off ON THE INTERNET.

/hats off to you sir

 

[foxdvd]

Microsoft: Our next xbox is amazing..always online...always connected, you can download updates in the back ground and it is ready to go when you turn it on

Customer: Ok, can I play it offline?

Microsoft: No! Why would you want that?

Customer 1: My back room in my house where I have my xbox, the wifi is spotty

Microsoft: well sorry we don't want you as a customer

Customer 2: My internet drops multiple times,

Microsoft: We don't want you as a customer

Customer 3: I actually have great internet, but I have a second xbox at my parents house I play when I visit, they go to bed early, and they don't have internet.

Microsoft: we don't want you as a customer

Customer 4: This seems to be a form of DRM and I am uncomfortable supporting it

Microsoft: WE DEFINITELY don't want you as a customer

Customer 4's friend: Wait, I don't have a problem with DRM, but I have 3 kids in my home, each with their own xbox. I recently bought a Lego game and they each took turns playing it

Microsoft: we don't want you as a customer unless you want to buy that game 3 times.

Customer 5: I buy used games from time to time, but I also buy new games.

Microsoft: we don't want you as a customer, unless you only buy new

Customer 5: But some new games I buy with used money...and others I buy new after playing them used..like Gears 1 I bought used, but I bought Gears 2 and 3 new

Microsoft: We don't want that. We don't want you as a customer

Customer 6: I am in the military and play my xbox, but can't connect

Microsoft: we don't want you as a customer.

Customer 7: SO the only reason always online is a form of DRM...

Microsoft: no comment.

 

[jtb]

I mean on the grand scale of things you could be right.

It's insane to think damage isn't being done though.

It's an embarrassment. But a minor one. Like I said, the PS3 was released at $599 and the 360 had the RROD and both have sold many many consoles. Consumers are fickle. The features, the software, the core functionality; these are the things that matter. Not what some idiot says on Twitter.

 

[Yawnier]

Fake Kazuo, delivering as always!

 

[Ginko]

Okay, last Gies bit I swear. Just read the exchange in its entirety.

https://twitter.com/GiantBreadbug/status/320242137411244032

Why are we talking about this person? Let's focus on the topic here.

 

[not_so_special]

This is a hypothetical. A hypothetical! It could very well turn out to be true, or they could fix it in time for the reveal, or it may just be complete BS. i think the former is the most likely, but that doesn't change the fact that nothing is confirmed, nothing is in the consumer's hands.

Compare this to something that was tangible and a real, true fuck up of epic proportions: the RROD. They released a console that was DEFECTIVE and most people still didn't give a shit once they fixed the problem and 360 has solds loads and loads of consoles since then.

No one gives a shit about this. They will give a shit if it's always online, but this mini-shitstorm? It'll blow over. It always does.

hey,i hate to rain on your parade,but look outside,this thing its everywhere,even on spanishs websites,twitter,gaming forums,etc etc

no one gives a shit? lol

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

How do you cancel something you've never announced as a plan in the first place?

I don't know how much the rest of you know about gaming culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in twitter where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in gaming industry, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

 

[Neuromancer]

which post?

This one

Arthur Gies is officially the most disreputable person in the enthusiast press.

 

[Mac the KNife]

Explain RROD.

Good point, the console will probably malfunction before internet connection is even an issue.

 

[-COOLIO-]

Seriously. Stop making his dick hard by talking about him all of the time. Don't give his ego the pleasure.

Is all this hate over defending ea with simcity? Hardly seems deserving. I've heard many a gaffer say far more ridiculous things. Only they're not journalists.

 

[Chaplain]

Explain RROD.

But there was a lawsuit for that too.

EDIT

Here is another lawsuit as well.

 

[BY2K]

Okay, last Gies bit I swear. Just read the exchange in its entirety.

https://twitter.com/GiantBreadbug/status/320242137411244032

@aegies @GiantBreadbug hundreds of thousands of people cannot even afford to buy a console - I dont see you raging hard that its not free

What kind of stupid logic is that!?

 

[Vire]

Explain RROD.

What's to explain? It was PR disaster for Microsoft and they extended every owners warranty by 3 years. It cost them over a billion dollars in damages.

 

[Thorgal]

well that is the most sane solution i have heard today to combat piracy

knock em dead Kaz.

 

[eot]

Exactly. It'll affect them once the console comes out and is confirmed to be online-only. But this? This is just a minor PR embarassment. It doesn't become a problem until we know for certain that this is what Microsoft's plan is and what they're bringing (or taking away) to the table.

That's what I was trying to say.

 

[LuuKyK]

wut

Quoting myself from way earlier in the thread:

Well, Adam Orth was a musician in his childhood:



http://www.weezerpedia.com/wiki/index.php?title=Adam_Orth

And Sweet Billy Pilgrim:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_Billy_Pilgrim

Maybe thats why.

I think thats the reference?