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Microsoft Studios' creative director has some choice words about always-online
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DJ Lushious
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As do I, so I can make a sound decision on which console to purchase. However, I don't believe this news article will force MicroSoft's hand. At most, we'd be lucky to get a coyly worded response that can generate its own thread where it is picked apart and dissected to death (IE not the usual "rumors and speculation" response).
If they don't now they will when it doesn't fly off the shelf. We are the early adopters. We will make or break their console in the early days. I was there day 1 for the 360, have bought multiple consoles and over 100 retail games, $1000s worth of DLC and XBLA games, if they don't want my business fine.
Felix Lighter
Member
He consistently backs corporate interests regardless of the effect on consumers. I'm convinced that he's willing to say anything that he thinks may help him get a job in the industry.
The question is: can they?
I'm sure their economic infrastructure with the 720 was designed around this always online thing. If you're always online, they can push certain things in their first party games and it enables developers (the big ones who already have their hands on the 720) to do some cool things. Their dashboard, DRM, and even hardware would be all based on the fact that the user is always online. Do they have the time to change all this? It's a HUGE undertaking to completely flip-flop on a console's core features beyond just saying "well, no more forced online!"
If this is the course they've chosen, it's likely too late to change, unless they delay.
WhiskeyKnight
Member
Holy shit. I've never seen such a tone deaf executive before. How can he behave like this and still have a job a Microsoft? I really hope he got a ear full from the PR folks.
BloodMoney
Banned
i feel the need to say it again. Blacksburg, VA (Virginia Tech) is connected. I don't know why this Orth dude needs to hate on Blacksburg.
DouglasteR
Member
LOL, M$ is really rolling the anti-hate machine.
M$ boss : Always online is a must
M$ slave: Ppl will not like this boss, even more after Failablo 3 and DisconnectCity 5
M$ boss : then we will CHANGE THEIR MINDS.
Brace yourselves.
M$ boss : Always online is a must
M$ slave: Ppl will not like this boss, even more after Failablo 3 and DisconnectCity 5
M$ boss : then we will CHANGE THEIR MINDS.
Brace yourselves.
It would be barely acceptable if he didn't identify himself, however his profile was plastered with his job title. That's when it gets inappropriate.
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Deleted member 47027
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You seriously haven't been able to understand the context, even with a ton of people explaining it?
Reading through his post history certainly feels like reading the dialogue of a Microsoft shill. Adam Orth starts at Microsoft Feb 2012 and three months later Penguins&PolarBears is on GAF and posting almost exclusively in topics related to Microsoft products. Windows 8, Windows Phone, Nokia Lumia, Surface, Xbox Live, Durango, etc. Even if they're not the same individual the person behind the account obviously has an agenda they're looking to press (and/or defend). Even some of his lone forays into topics related to competing products recently have only been to point out how the fashion in which they do X is inferior to the Microsoft approach.
Most ironic quote in his post history if he is Orth.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Exactly. They better have some decent games to show to offset some of these "tactics".
At least Sony has been about as up front as you can be. Especially on the HW front in which we have tons of detail on their HW and know they have heavy developer support.
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Deleted member 47027
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Okay. Shinobi hears that a dev at MS doesn't have a problem with an always online device. He goes "oh shit". And then the dev says something that might or might not be stupid on his Twitter account, followed by a clarification that it was not meant to be a negative comment. I reckon lots of people on GAF have a Twitter account. Lots of casual stupid things are said on Twitter every single day. Some are said by people who are more well known, some are said by people who are less well known but have many detractors, some are said by absolute nobodies.
At some point we have to ask ourselves why this matters so much, and why we want to give importance to it. If someone says something on this forum which is frowned upon, we can deal with it on this forum. If someone says something which is actually newsworthy, there could be something to discuss. But there has to be a line somewhere right? Let's be rational and sane people here. There's no story here, there's no scandal here, and there is nothing to discuss here really.
At some point we have to ask ourselves why this matters so much, and why we want to give importance to it. If someone says something on this forum which is frowned upon, we can deal with it on this forum. If someone says something which is actually newsworthy, there could be something to discuss. But there has to be a line somewhere right? Let's be rational and sane people here. There's no story here, there's no scandal here, and there is nothing to discuss here really.
Thing is simple. If this is not true an executive or speaker from Microsoft should say it NOW. They don't need to say anything about Durango, only that this is not true. Period.
The really bad publicity they have with this is very harmful for the company if it's not true.
At less they are so STUPID than thinking bad publicity is better than none publicity.
The really bad publicity they have with this is very harmful for the company if it's not true.
At less they are so STUPID than thinking bad publicity is better than none publicity.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
That doesn't mean anything. I hadn't heard of Cerny (at least not that I remember) before the PS4 unveil, but he's obviously not a nobody.
BolognaSoup
Member
It's almost like Microsoft is setting us all up for a massive troll if they were to come out in a month at their event and say "LOLZ j/k! Everything works offline and used games for everyone!" Then everyone gets all excited and jumps in line.
This is getting out of hand. If Microsoft actually isn't planning on using always-online, they need to step up and deny it.
We all say that - Until the day we suddenly sit there with a surprised"wtf just happened"-face in a similar situation and think "it wasn't really meant like that!" when other people think otherwise. I don't know what is what in this case, I'm just saying.
BTW, I saw the story hit mainstream in Norway as well today, heh.
In the case he's talking about, the person in question was actually being those things. It wasn't a general anti-feminist statement, it was a response to a person on twitter being an actual dumbass.
A couple of Dutch articles, but there are many more...
- Power Unlimited (Dutch): MICROSOFT DIRECTOR ABOUT 'ALWAYS ONLINE' CONSOLES: DEAL WITH IT!
- IGN (Dutch): New information about 'always online' Xbox 720 - Microsoft employee doesn't understand all the fuzz
- Inside Gamer (Dutch): Xbox 720 Always Online leads to destruction Xbox 360
- Inside Gamer (Dutch): Xbox 720 really must be online always
- Gamer.nl (Dutch): New Xbox Console must be online to play games
- Computer Idee (Dutch): Microsoft doesn't understand commotion Xbox 720 Always Online
- Metro (Dutch): Microsoft Director: Next Gen is always online; Deal with it
FieryBalrog
Member
Brace yourselves for shitty po$t$.
The official announcement will drown any kind of rumor and "outraged" people in this forum. So no I don't think Microsoft needs to do shit right now.
DidntKnowJack
Member
This isn't about that town per se, it represents towns all across the country that can't sustain 'always online'.
Omegasquash
Member
If I could rent content (so to speak), then at least there would be something there that I'm getting. If the expectation is that I pay more, then it's fair for my expectation to be that I get more. At that point, they'd be offering something more, and the price debate is an aside...it's about value and value is subjective from person to person.
I don't know if I'm speaking for lots of people when I say this specifically, but here goes....I feel like an always online requirement would cause hiccups, annoyances and accessibility issues more than I do now. None of these issues measure on the Richter scale, but they do measure. If given the choice between a platform that doesn't have these hiccups and one that does, I will choose the one that doesn't have the hiccups. These hiccups become more than that for lots of non-metropolitan areas, and residents of those areas have WAY more reason to speak up than I do, and we're seeing lots of that, as well as support/advocacy for those people.
Great post, Failablo really pushes this into top tier.
Neko Mimi Mode
Member
All of the rumors, including Kotaku's, have come with the proviso that Microsoft can change it at any minute with minimal effort and impact. A simple firmware update presumably.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Shut it down. The voice of reason is here.
I'm giving you hell but damn, there is definitely discussion material here.
Implicitely confirming an anti-consumer feature is pretty newsworthy, especially from an employee from a company who has remained completely silent. And then proceeded to ("jokingly") mock their consumers.
Almost 5k replies in this topic, many more on redditt and a bunch of news stories growing all the time. People care.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
In a simple world without inference or context you might be right. But we don't live in that world so you're wrong.
Doug Heffernan
Member
Thank you for that contribution to this thread.
You are not Duckroll. And this has no parallel with the CliffyB/Roger Ebert tweet. This is newsworthy (just take a look at how many outlets are already running the story, and there's much to discuss about the implications of this.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
I wonder will msn.com report this haha
I kind of agree, even though he should probably have known better since he is a suave internet user that is always online, and all that jazz.
my own beef with this is solely the message, not the messenger or the style in which it was provided.
Ahahaha thank you, fucking hell. Sweet Billy sounds like a Suda51 character.
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Deleted member 47027
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That's the idea!
Lol really? It doesn't matter? He's literally caused Microsoft millions of dollars in damages overnight.
VeryGooster
Banned
You know what was always online? Jurassic Park. Look how well that turned out when the systems went offline.
BoboBrazil
Member
They could probably pretty easily remove the requirement that games will shut off after 3 minutes without a connection atleast. This is Microsoft though, so most likely they will push ahead because they think the additional money they make with make up for whoever they lose due to this. I'll just stick with Sony as they are the most gamer friendly, which is the reason I actually buy a GAME CONSOLE.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
That's not your call, chief.