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Probably going to see a lot more of these types of deals going forward considering Sony 1P studios have 5-7 year prod cycles .
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[Jez Corden] Hotly anticipated 'Black Myth: Wukong' is delayed on Xbox for 'optimizations' — and now, Microsoft has responded
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DeltaPolarBear
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As in deals that don't exist?
Sometimes I think I am the only one not taking crazy pills. But then I realized there are legal adults today who have never known a time when the console they buy can't expect the majority of AAA games to run on it. It must be the luxury of youth to believe that there is some law demanding every major console get to have every 3rd party game.
There was the Gamecube, and then before that there was the Dreamcast. That is what it feels like to lose a console war. Youngsters these days had forgotten what Console wars are FOR.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
He says that others see an alternative reality...... and then his reference that Sony suffered massive criticism campaigns for its third party exclusivity are articles from Windows Central, Tom Warren and the usual Xbox fans on Twitter.
To say that the media in general were participants and defenders of the ABK acquisition agreement when to this day they continue to penalize MS with articles that border on the shameful.....
The reality is that of generalist and supposedly neutral media being silent and cautious when dealing with Sony's exclusivity agreements with third parties depriving XBOX users of games like FF and other big franchises (not small and new Indi IPs of which Sony also doubles or triples Xbox). Typical articles trying to make you believe that games like SFV or FF wouldn't exist without supposed funding from Sony, or arguing the suitability of them being exclusive or inventing reasons to justify their non-release on XBOX... That's what you usually see, not articles massive lawsuits demanding and forcing the Studio or publisher to clarify whether a future version on Xbox is a real possibility in order not to remove the value and effects that are pursued with these agreements.
And yes, not even close to media pressure to clarify the terms of the agreements. Media asking about PS5 versions instead of the game itself or articles belittling the attractiveness of the exclusivity agreement "because we know it is only temporal exclusive and you can wait and not buy an Xbox or PC" etc...
Whether you want to see it or not, that's what's been happening. A clear historical unequal treatment.
That's it. Xbox, call up Al Sharpton!
SmurfMustard
Member
What do you think happened to the PC version of Stellar Blade. Guess Sony happened.
diffusionx
Gold Member
In 2021, 3 years before release not 2 months
nial
Member
Yes, they happened to fund, produce and publish the game, something that Shift Up was happy with.
Also
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Why did Microsoft spend all that money on Activision and Bethesda?
Because they don't give a flying fuck about Asian games.
Because they don't give a flying fuck about Asian games.
Kataploom
Gold Member
Views like this one are weird lol... Like, it's doesn't matter what people in the company feel, they are running a business and their actions will follow simple fact lol
Angry_Megalodon
Member
The game happened thanks to Sony, which lent many devs to assist in the project.
A PC version will release for the mid-anniversary or anniversary, alongside Photo Mode.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
Yeah I agree, very weird, it was Spencer himself that talked of Doom being "a franchise that I think everyone deserves to play" I was just taking the piss out of his nonsense.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
He's trolling
IDappa
Member
Special edition console with a different aesthetic? Not just a disc drive thing. While I couldn’t really care for their new console editions these sorts of special consoles have always been this way. I also don’t see anybody discounting hardware these day, especially to the extend of previous generations. They’ll do what Nintendo to and not sell at a loss if anything. Seems like you have a bit of conjecture in your reasoning, “they’re banking on premium game sales to tank” doesn’t make much sense especially as the platform holder they get a cut out of sales of games. I can’t remember where I saw it, may of been the ftc leaks but they are meant to be doubling down on the flash deals and big sales. Can already see that thinking in their current storefront.
I know without acti/blizz their software and surfaces would of only been up by a percent which isn’t desirable I’m sure but I thought in previous earning they software/services weren’t to bad especially without selling consoles. I think you’re downplaying how casuals actually look at things and only coming from a hardcore perspective. If marketed right and priced right (big if as Microsoft have sucked with that) then it could be fairly big. Your hardcore fans are going to dig into the deals across the board as they do now on pc with such things as humble bundle/gog and such and your casuals will most likely be happy with what they boot into. Idk maybe they’ll set it up to list all games owned across multiple storefronts in your owned games and apps, bit of conjecture but it’s exciting to think about.
Okay.
Kataploom
Gold Member
Well, for those of us knowing what a company is and what means doing business those empty words means nothing, in the end it's a matter of profiting at any point, even if that's always about money, in the small scope out short term it can mean whatever the company internally decides.
As long as I can play this games on PC I won't care anyway.
anthony2690
Member
Honestly I'd probably just wait and see how this pans out.
They probably focused on ps5 for obvious reasons like bigger install base, especially in Asian territories so a series s and x version will come later.
I feel like the response could be a generic response from someone at Microsoft who doesn't know.
As far as I am aware wukong hasn't been shown at any Sony events and Sony has not been advertising exclusivity.
They probably focused on ps5 for obvious reasons like bigger install base, especially in Asian territories so a series s and x version will come later.
I feel like the response could be a generic response from someone at Microsoft who doesn't know.
As far as I am aware wukong hasn't been shown at any Sony events and Sony has not been advertising exclusivity.
MacReady13
Member
Why is he having a sook over this 1 game? Microsoft just spend Australia’s annual GDP on buying video game companies to get exclusives for their fucking shithouse sub service and these clowns are getting riled up over 1 fucking game not being released on Xbox when it’s released on PlayStation? Spare me…
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
It wouldn't surprise me either way to be honest.
Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot and mouth again....
...Or Sony having a light year for first party exclusives so they have identified games with significant hype that they can secure deals on. If this is the case, I can see why they are keeping quiet because this game specifically was marketed completed different to their usual third party exclusives. It was announced as multiplatform to begin with, so this would be the very definition of a late game money hat, which could ruffle feathers.
Still, I am in the camp that this is an play by Microsoft to initiate conversations like this. As they seem to keep making these stumbles with messaging.
Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot and mouth again....
...Or Sony having a light year for first party exclusives so they have identified games with significant hype that they can secure deals on. If this is the case, I can see why they are keeping quiet because this game specifically was marketed completed different to their usual third party exclusives. It was announced as multiplatform to begin with, so this would be the very definition of a late game money hat, which could ruffle feathers.
Still, I am in the camp that this is an play by Microsoft to initiate conversations like this. As they seem to keep making these stumbles with messaging.
Negotiator101
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Yeah because your impartiality in the matter is apparent
MacReady13
Member
Not sure what that has to do with anything. I'm speaking to the fact that if Microshaft can spend 70 billion dollars to buy companies out so their sub service can survive, then shit like this is trivial. Big deal, they don't get 1 game on day 1. Who gives a fuck? They're getting Indiana Jones cause they purchased that company. Should Sony complain that it isn't coming to Playstation day and date of release on Xbox? I mean, eventually it WILL come to Playstation but why not day 1? Seriously, who cares???Yeah because your impartiality in the matter is apparent
Dick Jones
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MarkMe2525
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Those two things are not mutually exclusive. Someone spending money on "x" does not necessarily imply that they "don't give a fuck" about "y".
Pelta88
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Andrew House is on record saying that they leverage the PS4 install when making marketing deals.
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
The fight over this game is silly from all fronts. The delayed conversation is more interesting than the game itself.
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Skifi28
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You shouldn't even be allowed to use that word, in any context.Yeah because your impartiality in the matter is apparent
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The only one with a disc drive was the "special edition", the ones that weren't had a disc drive removed and were still more expensive. The 30% cut they are getting is small. Especially if you look at software sales on the xbox platform.
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Astray
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I said it before, but the game looks like it will have a strong launch (#7 global Steam sales last I checked) with lots of hype behind it.
S0ULZB0URNE
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
yep. Thats the only thing Xbox fans are going to be able to do anyway.
Daneel Elijah
Member
It is obvious that they have less to compensate when they want exclusivity. But I think that they go mostly for new devs and help studios get their game out of the door.
iamvin22
Industry Verified
You got a link that blade zero has been announced for Xbox?!?
Mr Moose
Member
As far as I am aware the only thing they said is there's no exclusivity deal, not that there's going to be a Xbox version.
IDappa
Member
The ones with the disc drives removed have expanded storage, would assume this is why.
30 percent is small? I would argue the opposite tbh.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
It's actually a fantastic idea and with Sony now having so many games on Steam it would behoove Xbox to hace those games too.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
No, the real challenge is you wouldn't be able to afford it. The hybrid box would have no real source of income so it would have to be sold as a PC.
And the cost would still be there for the hybrid. Losing the walled garden means the hardware would be sold at a profit. So the Xbox being so cheap would go away.
As was mentioned in the past, you can't make a PC with the same performance as a console without paying way more. Xbox being less console-like would mean it can't survive as a product.
Fess
Member
Their new platform strategy seems to be something new, not as locked up, you’re right that it’s more like PC going by rumours but I don’t think they’ll go nuts on the pricing. The focus is likely to sell Gamepass, a new UI with that library constantly on the front page. So they’ll get money through that. And then Microsoft Store and Steam and Epic and possibly other launchers on the sides when no Gamepass version is available.
If they can do a competent and easy to use catch’em all solution for living room gaming it’ll absolutely survive as a product. It’s what people who don’t like PC gaming wants.
No idea how they’ll get money from third party launcher games. But they got people paying for online gaming, they like money, they’ll find a way.
The timing is important though. As said in a PS focused thread I think AAA devs must decide now where to put their big games at this point. Current gen, big user base, and then remasters for a couple years on next gen. Or dodge what’s left of current gen and go out with a big bang on a new exciting box with new hardware and features. AAA games take 3-5+ years to make, original IPs take longer.
Is Gears of War E-Day launching on Xbox Series X? The Elder Scrolls VI? Next Halo? Forza Horizon 6? I hope not. Just let things cook for a bit and do a proper launch with a banger of a launch lineup instead.
Fess
Member
Yeah this is what makes PC gaming so great now. But more work needs to be done in the living room. A new UI or OS for controller where all storefronts are accessed with zero jank.
Astray
Member
More evidence that this game is likely going to be a very important launch in a lot of ways.
There's a reason Microsoft sent Jez to sweep up for them on this one.
www.gamesradar.com
There's a reason Microsoft sent Jez to sweep up for them on this one.
"Everyone is looking at Black Myth Wukong": Phantom Blade Zero director expects the most-wishlisted game on Steam to be a breakthrough moment for China
"This year is a turning point for us, and maybe also for the industry"
Stafford
Member
More evidence that this game is likely going to be a very important launch in a lot of ways.
There's a reason Microsoft sent Jez to sweep up for them on this one.
"Everyone is looking at Black Myth Wukong": Phantom Blade Zero director expects the most-wishlisted game on Steam to be a breakthrough moment for China
"This year is a turning point for us, and maybe also for the industry"
Hopefully those with only an Xbox, like me won't have to wait super long. Fuck I hate this bullshit. I was not against the S and I'm not exactly for it, it's whatever for me. But when stuff like this happens I start to hate the thing. Assuming it's the S's fault, that is.
Astray
Member
Yeah whatever the reason is, hopefully the delay won't be too long.
But I honestly wouldn't be super optimistic over it. This game has been in dev for a while, and I wouldn't completely discount the possibility of them just canceling the Xbox versions.
Stafford
Member
That would be horrible. Let's hope that isn't the case. Someone at Xbox said they were working with the studio, so you'd think that is hopeful.
Astray
Member
I honestly don't trust this Xbox leadership. They talk far too much, and play with words far too much for me to believe anything they say.
Take this instance for example, they are "working" with the devs, but working on something isn't a guarantee of an outcome. You look at Nintendo or Sony or Steam and they almost never mention working on anything until it's actually coming out.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
Personally, I appreciate the updates and transparency. People could just wonder about it without comment, but instead they told people they're working on it and it's coming out. You guys can believe whatever conspiracies you want but in this case it seems pretty clear they're getting the game ready. Both MS and the developers said this.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I think we all know it's the S's fault.
Astray
Member
It's not even conspiracies at this point, they literally say 1 thing and then turn around and do the opposite.
This week it's them closing down the XB360 marketplace, when they spent years talking up game preservation. Every other week it's something like that with them.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
Enjoy your worrying I guess.
I can't imagine a game I'm less worried about than one that the platform holder and the developers both already publicly said they're getting ready. At that point, there's nothing else to be said. Words can't reach you on this one.