Microsoft Surface Pro 4 announced: "better in nearly every way" (The Verge)

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Posting this from my New Surface.

This one must've been collecting dust in some warehouse, because it still got the shipping version of Windows 10 installed (10240) and zero updates whatsoever.

Luckily, my lunch break is over in a couple of minutes and hopefully, most of the updates should be done when I come back from work.
 
Posting this from my New Surface.

This one must've been collecting dust in some warehouse, because it still got the shipping version of Windows 10 installed (10240) and zero updates whatsoever.

Luckily, my lunch break is over in a couple of minutes and hopefully, most of the updates should be done when I come back from work.

Good luck
 
My gf got her replaced, and after the recent updates. Its working flawlessly. No unusual fan noise was a big deal.
 
Decided to give the Surface Pro 4 another try. Bought a new one today. Hopefully all the updates will put this device to where I want it to be (no sleep bugs, black screens, etc).
 
So suddenly my type cover does not work right anymore. As soon as I connect it the screen shuts off and only works again when I disconnect it which makes me think that the Surface is erroneously thinking that I closed the type cover over the screen. Has anyone had this issue?

And when I try the Contact Support app it just cannot connect.

As much as I like this thing shit constantly breaks and for the price it is really pathetic.
 
Holy shit I wanted to throw my wife's SP4 at a wall countless times on our vacation these last two weeks.

One of my good friends purchased the original RT, then the Pro - but after four replacements for a variety of issues, ended up getting a refund on the original. He jumped back in on the SP3, which took another exchange until working correctly - this time WiFi issues.

He then got the SP4, and said it was much, much better save for some occasional sleeping/waking issues. My wife got her SP4 about two months ago, and sure enough - sleeping/hibernating/battery issues plagued the damn thing. Fortunately, right before our trip, a bunch of software and firmware updates hit, that were supposedly the final true fix for all the problems.

Fuck this device. It just absolutely cannot be trusted to "sleep" properly. It got to a point where I'd have her over my shoulder, we'd both intently watch me click start-power-sleep, and then wait a few seconds. Screen blank. Wait. Then we'd close the cover.

Need the device a few hours later? Won't wake. Won't turn on. Hold power button for a minute, resets. Battery is fine sometimes, other times it's pretty much dead.

Sometimes I'd reach in the bag and everything was hot from a device that was supposed to be sleeping the whole time.

Sometimes it slept just fine, but it has severe battery drain issues. If I put my MBP in my bag at 100%, three days later it's still at like 80% or more. This thing would be at 15-20% the next day.

I tried hibernating, and that helped - but the battery drain was still a real issue. Turning it completely off worked toward the end once I had "given up," but the on the last day, the boot-up took a solid three minutes as I was waiting to grab a confirmation number in a hurry.

Basically, it always worked... once it was on and we were logged it, it was fast, responsive. Light. Has a great screen. Honestly, a fantastic device. But the reason we went with this form factor - and why we took it on our trip - is that when we need to check something, we need to check it right then. Right in that moment. A laptop that is "ready" in three or four or five minutes is a frustrating pain in the ass.

Thought maybe it was just this device, so when I got back in town today, called my friend and he said his has a similar issue still, it's just not AS annoying because his sits on his desk at work, open and docked most the time Mon-Fri, so it's not as noticeable.

Anyway - just need to rant. I'll be taking it up to the MS store for a review or replacement this week when I can find the time. Maybe the second one will be better. But if not, for me at least, this is almost unusable.

Which, admittedly, is a shame, because when it's working, it's really fantastic. The device feels great, I love the functionality, and it really is a spectacular travel device otherwise.
 
That's something Ms really needs to address, windows 10 is completely fucked up compared to win 8 on the surface devices when it comes to battery/sleeping.

And what is more baffling because on win 8 the device will download updates from the store and win update, download in background from ie, and even sync onedrive files when sleeping. On win 10 which none of that work (at least not properly) you have a much worse battery life and sleeping experience.
 
The top left corner of the screen it's flickers. When I scroll up or Down it then stops. But a few seconds it's starts again.

Software or hardware issue guys?
 
For everyone with sleep issues, just set the power button to "Hibernate" instead of "Sleep."

It takes maybe 5 seconds longer to start back up, but I've had zero issues after setting it this way a week after I got my SP4. You might say, "Well I shouldn't have to do that!"... Whatever, it is what it is. If 5 second longer boot up is such a big deal than I guess get an iPad Pro.
 
For everyone with sleep issues, just set the power button to "Hibernate" instead of "Sleep."

It takes maybe 5 seconds longer to start back up, but I've had zero issues after setting it this way a week after I got my SP4. You might say, "Well I shouldn't have to do that!"... Whatever, it is what it is. If 5 second longer boot up is such a big deal than I guess get an iPad Pro.

I did do that about half way through my trip. Still had issues getting it to even wake at all. Battery still drained way faster than it should (~5% an hour, it seemed). Worked about 50% of the time... which just isn't good enough.
 
I did do that about half way through my trip. Still had issues getting it to even wake at all. Battery still drained way faster than it should (~5% an hour, it seemed). Worked about 50% of the time... which just isn't good enough.

YMMV but I throttled the CPU down slightly to prevent the Turbo Boost thing from turning on and also switched to using Hibernate most of the time. I don't remember the amount exactly, something like 5% lower. This made my battery life much more stable and the waking issues less frequent, although it still happens now and then. I don't notice any performance difference either, but I use it mainly for drawing and browsing so I don't do anything to intensive and have very little running in the background.

I shouldn't have to do this for a flagship device, but hey it worked.
 
Just to chime in, I have a Surface Pro 3 with Win 8.1 and HyperVT enabled... which is just to allow the Surface to continue running desktop programs while turning the screen off... which bizarrely won't work otherwise (and not at all under Windows 10) which is so incredible frustrating to me... but that's a different story. Anyway: (Especially) as of late my SP3 won't hibernate correctly roughly 1/4 of the time I hit the power button. Instead it will have all appearance of going into hibernation but the back continues to get warm. And turning it on again won't work by a short button press but rather by a long one followed by another short one. Fun!

There might be some correlation with the SP3 dock. It seems to mostly happen when it is in it... but then again it is most of the time.
 
I picked up the replacement nib pack, and when it arrived I discovered that my original pen nib had started to crack (!). My only disappointment is that you can only buy a variety pack of nibs, whereas I'm only really interested in the two softer nibs (HB and B).

For everyone with sleep issues, just set the power button to "Hibernate" instead of "Sleep."

It takes maybe 5 seconds longer to start back up, but I've had zero issues after setting it this way a week after I got my SP4. You might say, "Well I shouldn't have to do that!"... Whatever, it is what it is. If 5 second longer boot up is such a big deal than I guess get an iPad Pro.

I agree with this. I did this after a couple of weeks of battery drain issues, and the experience has been much better since. It's not a rapid reboot by any means, and sometimes it stubbornly refuses to wake up unless I hold the power button, but Hibernate has made all the difference.
 
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Heads up UK people, I just noticed that the official Microsoft store has a promotion with a free Dock and Nib set (worth £175) with any Surface Pro 4 / Surface Book.
 
Finally had enough of the problems with sleep and took my device back to the store. They are now sending it back to Microsoft for a replacement. I had to go back to my MBP for the time being and it has been in a box since November, still has 50% battery left wtf.

The first thing I noticed was the weight difference, it is way heavier than I remember. Starting to miss the touchscreen already, I guess its going to be a long wait :(.

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For everyone with sleep issues, just set the power button to "Hibernate" instead of "Sleep."

It takes maybe 5 seconds longer to start back up, but I've had zero issues after setting it this way a week after I got my SP4. You might say, "Well I shouldn't have to do that!"... Whatever, it is what it is. If 5 second longer boot up is such a big deal than I guess get an iPad Pro.

This does not solve the issue at all. The sleep issue is caused by connected standby, the new sleep state introduced with skylake. Even in hibernation it still goes into this state, which is why I still had the issue when I was using hibernate on power button press. The only way to get around the sleep issue is to turn off the new sleep state completely using the csEnable flag in the registry. The problem with that is, all wifi networks have to be reconnected to on resume on top of the delay. Why pay premium to disable features that are supposed to work out of the box?
 
I'm so close to jumping in on this. A few questions:

I am going for the 16gb memory with the i7 processor. Will I be able to run applications like Premiere Pro? How about emulators?

I don't need a gaming laptop by any means. I want something that o can lay in bed and hold like my iPad that will also be silky smooth running the things that I need and want. Again, Premiere Pro/Photoshop is the most intense level of applications I will run on this.
 
This does not solve the issue at all. The sleep issue is caused by connected standby, the new sleep state introduced with skylake. Even in hibernation it still goes into this state, which is why I still had the issue when I was using hibernate on power button press. The only way to get around the sleep issue is to turn off the new sleep state completely using the csEnable flag in the registry. The problem with that is, all wifi networks have to be reconnected to on resume on top of the delay. Why pay premium to disable features that are supposed to work out of the box?

damn, not sure what to say. It did solve the issue for me (and it looks like dock as well). Hopefully you can figure something out.
 
I don't need a gaming laptop by any means. I want something that o can lay in bed and hold like my iPad that will also be silky smooth running the things that I need and want. Again, Premiere Pro/Photoshop is the most intense level of applications I will run on this.
I can't speak to the performance you need (I use a i5 4GB model and do plenty of Photoshop, Clip Studio, Blender and Unity).

The part I'd be most wary of is where you say 'hold like my iPad'. I find this very rarely to be the case, unless I'm drawing in Clip Studio or doing some light browsing. Otherwise I want my keyboard and sometimes even a mouse. The pen is not a mouse replacement in plenty of software, and lots of the adobe software still has a long way to go before it becomes touch screen friendly.

I'd still recommend the SP4, but I'd recommend you use it like I did. I was fully prepared to return mine during the full refund period (30 days for me, might be different there), so I made efforts to use all the software I wanted to use during this period.
 
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Well, that's annoying. I just popped my surface pro 4 in my bag for an hour over lunch, and reached in to find it burning hot, half drained of battery, and on this screen. :| Crap like this is why I always carry the power supply around. I just don't trust the SP4 not to drain its battery for no good reason.
 
That looks like the power and volume button were pushed to a while (at least 30 seconds), which boots the Surface into its BIOS (UEFI). I don't think you can access it otherwise.
 
Welp. I sold my Surface Pro 4 and got a 13" Macbook Pro after I saw some ebay deal that I impulse bought and I'm regretting it hard. Thing is uncomfortable af with the hard edge aluminum digging in my right palm when using the touchpad. SP4 was lighter, more comfortable, and was actually easier to use in a variety of positions. What have I done :( I keep wanting to touch the screen too lol. Don't make the same mistake...
 
Can someone explain to me why the rotation lock button is sometimes disabled in tablet mode? I haven't figured that out yet and it seems completely random.

E: To elaborate on it a little further. I mean that the rotation lock button in the action center is greyed out and I can't turn the lock off, which leaves me locked in portrait mode.
 
Welp. I sold my Surface Pro 4 and got a 13" Macbook Pro after I saw some ebay deal that I impulse bought and I'm regretting it hard. Thing is uncomfortable af with the hard edge aluminum digging in my right palm when using the touchpad. SP4 was lighter, more comfortable, and was actually easier to use in a variety of positions. What have I done :( I keep wanting to touch the screen too lol. Don't make the same mistake...

Had you used a MacBook Pro before?
 
Welp. I sold my Surface Pro 4 and got a 13" Macbook Pro after I saw some ebay deal that I impulse bought and I'm regretting it hard. Thing is uncomfortable af with the hard edge aluminum digging in my right palm when using the touchpad. SP4 was lighter, more comfortable, and was actually easier to use in a variety of positions. What have I done :( I keep wanting to touch the screen too lol. Don't make the same mistake...

Ouch. Any particular reason you wanted to make the jump? Hardware issues or something?
 
Welp. I sold my Surface Pro 4 and got a 13" Macbook Pro after I saw some ebay deal that I impulse bought and I'm regretting it hard. Thing is uncomfortable af with the hard edge aluminum digging in my right palm when using the touchpad. SP4 was lighter, more comfortable, and was actually easier to use in a variety of positions. What have I done :( I keep wanting to touch the screen too lol. Don't make the same mistake...

Lol I'm experiencing this while waiting for my SP4 repair from MS. The MBP just doesn't fit my use cases as well as the SP4. The SP4 may have its issues but I miss it.
 
Can someone explain to me why the rotation lock button is sometimes disabled in tablet mode? I haven't figured that out yet and it seems completely random.

E: To elaborate on it a little further. I mean that the rotation lock button in the action center is greyed out and I can't turn the lock off, which leaves me locked in portrait mode.
Mine only locks when the keyboard is attached and in position, but recently there have been bugs where it will detect the keyboard as in typing position even when folded all the way back.
 
So, not fun...My Surface appears to be bricked. I installed the Windows 10 Insider build or whatever it's called and everything was fine but when I turned it on last night I just got a blue screen with a loading wheel. Booted it up today, same thing. This is going to be a bit of a headache, since I bought my Surface in another country. Dammit.
 
So, not fun...My Surface appears to be bricked. I installed the Windows 10 Insider build or whatever it's called and everything was fine but when I turned it on last night I just got a blue screen with a loading wheel. Booted it up today, same thing. This is going to be a bit of a headache, since I bought my Surface in another country. Dammit.

Don't worry, it's not bricked. I get that all the time on the current insider build. It's a really annoying bug/issue. You have to reset the Surface a couple of times (power button + volume button to go into UEFI and then reboot option) and even then it can still happen. Once you're back into Windows, you should roll back to a stable release.

A new build can't come out soon enough.
 
Don't worry, it's not bricked. I get that all the time on the current insider build. It's a really annoying bug/issue. You have to reset the Surface a couple of times (power button + volume button to go into UEFI and then reboot option) and even then it can still happen. Once you're back into Windows, you should roll back to a stable release.

A new build can't come out soon enough.

Thanks I'll try that. I wanted to check out the new features so I turned on the option to get all of the preview builds. As soon as I got the new build I wanted to pick the option to get slower, more stable updates but I couldn't find it.
 
Got a Surface Pro 4 (i7/16GB version) yesterday.

Everything makes quite the elegant impression. Though the Windows 10/hardware integration is garbage - already forced to do two registry edits to get updates running. There is also a screen flickering bug which can be fixed with deactivating that auto brightning feature.

All the professional tools are running quite well (Photoshop, 3D Max, AutoCAD etc.) and the screen is an excellent for pdf/comic reading.
 
Potential buyer here. Need to replace deceased iMac and ageing iPad, Surface Pro 4 seems like a nice idea that fits killing two birds with one stone. I'm aware that it may not be the perfect tablet or PC replacement, but there are other advantages pushing me towards this route - free Office through work and wife wanting to improve her IT knowledge. Couple of questions for existing owners, mainly on OneNote integration.

I like the idea of browsing and sending annotated grabs/links to OneNote. I tried this out in a shop using single and double click of the eraser end of the pen. It worked quite nicely but as far as I could see it wasn't also including the actual webpage link into OneNote - is there a simple way to add this in?

If you capture a load of web pages using screen grab functionality to OneNote does that make the text in the grabs searchable in too? So for example find a recipe, double click the eraser, grab the uncluttered section of the web page and save to OneNote. Can you now search for text which is in the recipe to find it again quickly in OneNote?

Thanks.
 
Yeah, OneNote is amazing like that. It's not even something you need to manually enable or do some sort of special copy/paste for. It just automatically does OCR for all images you add and then search automatically works across all of it.
 
I've had that a few (very few) times. That when it's docked, the fan goes wild, just assumed since it had direct power it was doing stuff in the background it had waiting since being on battery.
 
I really wanted to get a Surface Book but I'm really hesitant to get first generation hardware for things like laptops and such so instead I went with the Surface Pro 4 with the i5 after getting my mother the SP3 for her birthday. I used that a lot and found myself really liking it, then a few months later my old gaming laptop bit the bullet for good and I found myself needing a new machine but not wanting to build a full tower but also not wanting a full laptop in favor of a tablet.

Glad I got it, I haven't done too much with it yet but I really like it. Don't think I will necessarily use it as a tablet much but everything else so far has been really nice. Enjoying the pen a lot more than expected as well. Works pretty well when you get used to using it.
 
I love my Surface Pro 4 so much, but I have so many pet peeves. I wonder whether any can be alleviated.

  • When I'm drawing I like to work in portrait mode, so I use the 'rotation lock' in the Action Centre. When I come to use it as a laptop, I plug in the keyboard. This disables the rotation lock button, but does not change the rotation of the screen. Every time I plug in the keyboard I have to unplug it, disable rotation lock, then plug it back on. >_<
  • Speaking of the Action Centre, the shortcut to display it is a swipe from the right side of the screen. This works great most of the time, but often activates accidentally while I'm drawing with the pen if my nib lifts too high from the screen. I'd love an option to temporarily disable that gesture.
  • I love using the pen in Clip Studio Paint which has a really great set of tuuch screen defaults, but I wish I could configure its button behaviour in other apps.
  • I wish there were better support for some lower resolutions, especially pixel doubled. Why is there no 1368 x 912 resolution option?

I'm surprised that the 4GB of RAM hasn't been a problem for me, but it generally runs well.
 
Hey Surface-GAF. Just a quick question. So... I'm going to buy a Surface this week.

Here's my question: i5 or i7? I'm looking at an 8gb model either way, I think. Between the two there's a $200 difference.

My case use is this: I've got a powerhouse gaming PC and a fairly decent (but 2-year-old) Dell laptop. I'm currently lugging this big Dell with me everywhere, and I don't want to, thus moving to a Surface Book. I'll continue to use the Dell around the house a bit when I want to work from a room that isn't my office, but the Surface Book will primarily be for travel.

When I travel, a lot of my work will be low-intensity stuff; I write a lot for a living, so that's not so much of a concern. However on occasion I'll also want to hop into Premiere Pro to do some video editing; we're talking 1080/60 at max (basically, game capture), and short-form - videos shorter than 20 minutes in length. I also might on occasion use the Surface for Capture - plugging in a capture card via USB and capturing to a MicroSD via the Surface. (I work in games, so sometimes this is required at an event or something.) Again, though, this isn't really high-impact stuff as all the high-end capture cards now do all the processing on the card rather than on the machine they're plugged into.

On rare occasion I might play a game on it mid-flight or something, but if I do I'd be keeping it small in scale. I'm not going to be playing Fallout or something on it; we're talking stuff like FTL, Kerbal, or things like the Steam rereleases of FF7-9... so I IMAGINE games won't be a factor, right?

But, with the video editing stuff - is there a boost worth considering from the i7? I understand there's a battery life trade-off too... but bearing in mind the video editing might only come into play once every few months (say, E3 or Gamescom) since I edit on my PC at home the rest of the time, I'm looking for a decent boost to something to justify the purchase.

I'm leaning i5, but I don't want to make a mistake, so I figured I'd ask GAF.
 
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