Astray
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He refunded the ban.
Microsoft: We are actively investing in our future first-party consoles and devices designed, engineered and built by Xbox.
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SoraNoKuni
Member
If they admit they'll prevent the few fools left that want to buy Xbox still.
Of course they are gonna deny this, it's a PR statement.
Except if they mean any laptop/gaming handhelds with an xbox sticker/logo on top of it.
Of course they are gonna deny this, it's a PR statement.
Except if they mean any laptop/gaming handhelds with an xbox sticker/logo on top of it.
Topher
Identifies as young
So what is the real reason Microsoft decided not to make a handheld?
Humdinger
Gold Member
At least back then, MS was willing to stand behind their customers and support their product. It's the opposite of what you're seeing now.
I had 3 different RRODs. Each time, MS replaced the console for free, shipping included. Granted, they gave me another console that crapped out in 6 months, lol, but they were willing to eat billions in costs, just to try to make up for their mistakes. That was a very different MS/Xbox.
Ellis
Member
Had two replacements myself. Consumer rights for electronics is pretty good in the UK. MS asked no questions and swiftly replaced both. The second unit was also over two years out of warranty when it failed. That was replaced with the newer fixed model and two free controllers. I'm guessing for the inconvenience.
It should never have been an issue in the first place, but I can't knock the replacement process.
Sony were good with my PS3, which also failed, but they were absolute dicks when it came to my last OLED TV. They tried to play the "not covered for burn-in" card. Yeah, fuck right off. Took a lot of emails to get that thing replaced.
PurePlatinum
Member
I think the supply-chain drying up is the strongest clue as to what's happening behind the scenes. Rumors/Speculation are one thing, especially in an internet culture that is actively hostile to xbox, but the supply chain stuff with walmart/costco/sams is very telling of what's happening behind the scenes.
Humdinger
Gold Member
That would pertain to this generation, though, right? Not next (necessarily).
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Exactly. Gullible people here still believing PR statements.
Seriously, what else could they have said? (assuming this is even true in the first place) that "yes, the rumors are true. We may cancel the next-gen consoles in the upcoming months."
And how would the people working on the next console feel about their jobs at that point?
No one would say anything until those "downsizing emails" are sent to employees.
PurePlatinum
Member
Definitely possible - I have a hard time thinking they are pulling their existing retail presence, retailers are filling the gap w/ PS and Nintendo, and then are going to open it back up when a new Xbox comes out.
That seems unlikely to me.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
So you agree they are working on the next gen console but don't believe their PR statement that they are going to launch it?
Humdinger
Gold Member
You could be right. I'm not denying there's a connection. If Xboxes disappear from major retailers' store shelves, that is certainly not a promising sign for future Xbox shelf space.
It could mean, as others have suggested, that they are planning a device with a small audience appeal, sold only on certain online outlets.
Or, potentially, retailers could open up shelf space in 2028, if MS comes out with a mass-market device. Retailers are always juggling shelf space. However, the next-gen Xbox doesn't look like a mass-market device to me, based on what we're hearing. So that probably won't happen.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Their most recent PR statement only said they are investing. Did they explicitly say previously that they were launching a new console?
yurinka
Member
Nintendo quitted from the high end home console market a while ago, they decided to stop failing to try compete directly againt Sony in this area.
They decided to move away and focus in the area that was their main strength and where Sony isn't focused and as successful as them: portables and kids/all ages games.
So far it worked very well for them. But once Sony buries their last rival standing in the home console business, having dominated the home console business very likely Sony will continue expanding their empire in all directions beyond home console (PC, portable consoles, mobile, cloud, off gaming).
Sony will be able not only to properly compete against Nintendo in portable consoles and to slowly steal market share to in the long term even dominate that market too if learns from their mistakes with PSP and specially Vita, and also from the issues Nintendo has (to require dedicated ports or games instead of reusing the ones they already have in home consoles, making players to need to buy the same game the player already had in home console, not having online MP with the other platforms, requiring too expensive dedicated stuff like propietary cards, too notable visual or framerate downgrades compared to high end home consoles...)
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HeisenbergFX4
Member
Also says the following
"For more details, the community can revisit our agreement announcement with AMD."
Where they say
"At Xbox our vision is for you to play the games you want, with the people you want, anywhere you want," Bond says. "That's why we're investing in our next-generation hardware line up, across console, handheld, PC, cloud, and accessories."
Now I never take anything as 100% gospel but in my mind they addressed the issue enough considering S SneakersSO just said next gen hardware was up in the air and people like Timdog has acted like the world was ending
Zacfoldor
Member
Kinda, yeah.
I mean, I believe it will most likely be launched, but do I "believe" their PR statement that they WILL launch it, no? I think they could still change their mind. Things are cascading fast, the market is changing before their eyes.
If they do launch it, I can't imagine it will sell well...that is mainly why I think they may decide to cancel it. It is starting to become undeniably clear it may be a waste of money to launch it and it doesn't align with their future vision.
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GHG
Member
It also says "investing" there as well.
I would be inclined to agree with you if it were any other business we were discussing, but these guys are the masters of spin and obfuscation.
Also I'll say this, if they know you post/share the information that they give you on here then they can work you just as they would any other PR handler.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah....lots of folks overreacted to what SneakersSO said. That's why I was trying to highlight that he said next gen Xbox wasn't necessarily a "sure thing", not that it wasn't going to happen, even before Microsoft made their statement.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Oh its DOA and a fools errand for them to move forward with a next gen console imo
Without a doubt
I have said this before but I have heard Spencer talk about games before he was excited to show off and one in particular sounded right up my alley and that game has never been leaked or mentioned anywhere and this was maybe 5+ years ago or so
And this was Spencer just talking as an excited gamer with no mics or cameras as it wasn't PR in the least
Guess the game just died
I know things change and I know there is a chance they pull out of next gen hardware race, just saying as of Friday night at least from Xbox point of view they were still all in
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Its weird it's like you keep expecting a surface level rebranding type big announcement where they have everything laid out about consoles, xbox services, and the newer "xbox pc", but it never happens. Even more so because of the weird AMD SOC announcement, but it never happens. 
Topher
Identifies as young
Its weird it's like you keep expecting a surface level rebranding type big announcement where they have everything laid out about consoles, xbox services, and the newer "xbox pc", but it never happens. Even more so because of the weird AMD SOC announcement, but it never happens.
I'm starting to think that they have gone back to the drawing board. That would align with what S SneakersSO has said in that they are not doing the things necessary to meet target dates.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yes. I have always maintained that I don't think a new Xbox console will come. I don't know about this; I just have this gut feeling. There may be an Xbox-stickered PC-type device, but I don't think it will be an Xbox One or Series type console.
I may end up right or wrong.
Having said that, guys like you and Kepler have repeatedly said that there is indeed such a console-type device in production. And I believe you guys.
Now SneakerSO said that this may get scrapped. If true, the end-result will be the same as I thought: no new Xbox console will come.
I don't believe this anonymous statement to mean anything. Even if MS decided that we are 100% scrapping this, a random PR statement, in response to a blogger's query, would still not acknowledge it. That's not how business communications work.
yurinka
Member
We know MS's PR many times lied or has been specially sneaky with half thruts.
That PR statement is totally compatible with having no plans to internally make more proper consoles as they did in the past, and to instead have planned for the next gen to call Xbox these consolized PCs built by 3rd party OEM manufacturers like Asus and running PC games via Windows.
Their PR also says everything is an Xbox now. So they can say these 3rd party built consolized PCs running Windows are first party consoles. Or at least the ones who made a deal with them to put the Xbox logo in the box.
Or well, in addition to do this they can also take one of these (made by Asus, Lenovo, MSI or somebody else) and market it as an internally made console.
Or well, they can also say somewhere later in the road that they changed their plans.
But seeing how Xbox hardware sales continue to decline and decline year after year while Sony keeps increasing their market share in the console market, and also seeing how Xbox games and consoles keep stop being sold in more and more retailers around the world, makes very difficult to believe MS would release another generation of traditional consoles. If they do it, will have a very poor launch and won't last for long, dying prematurely.
I think it's clear that there isn't market for another generation of Xbox consoles, at least enough to be successful and profitable. I think it makes more sense for MS to bet instead of in optimizing and adapting Windows to perform better in consolized PCs to help their Windows division grow a bit in this area and to stop losing money on MS made gaming hardware.
I think it makes more sense for the MS gaming division to bet instead where the money really is: to sell games and addons in all platforms day one, and focus in mobile, PC and PS, which are where in average most 3rd parties make the biggest amount of money.
They also have to stop giving away their games day one in GP or at least minimize the number of players that get them to the minimum, in order to stop the loses that lost game sales due to GP generates to their gamedev teams.
To get rid of inhouse hardware and day one games in GP would dramatically improve their revenue and income.
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demigod
Member
Wait, i thought the last thing you got was just a shrug when asked.
MisterXDTV
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Topher
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DeepEnigma
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Topher
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Warspite
Member
Maybe they don't want the work and think their resources can be better put into something more profitable.
Topher
Identifies as young
Titans need to stay regular too bro
Thats just an article about what Kepler said here I believe
Punished Miku
Gaslighter Pro: 16.7 Fireflops
Bold prediction
MisterXDTV
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SEGAvangelist
Member
People really shouldn't believe decade-long Sony shilling, ex-Respawn QA contracted, Pete Dodd-loving clout chasers in the future. He's like the Alex Jones of leakers. He gets one thing right, then fills in the rest of the details with absolute bullshit.
Blayzedblue
Neo Member
Anyone who thinks Microsoft shareholders are going to approve the development of another (very) expensive Xbox thats just going to sit on store shelves needs their head examined. You think they're going to allow Xbox to flush billions more down the
toilet after the Activision deal? It's over.
toilet after the Activision deal? It's over.
GHG
Member
Someone's had their feelings hurt.
Topher
Identifies as young
demigod
Member
Wtf have you been rambling on about with pete dodd?
Ar¢tos
Member
They will.
They want to end with a big bang, proud and accomplished!
But what the world will see is a fart in the wind...
I'm glad you reminded me of the shareholders.
Everything we see about Xbox; rumors, official communications, loudmouth Phil Spencer, etc; is geared toward shareholders and sometimes toward Xbox "evangelist" fanboys.
I think someone at MS purposely leaked these rumors... Maybe to soften up Xbox fanboys, maybe to signal to shareholders that they'll stop taking losses on hardware (we might not launch if it loses money).
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Bernardougf
Member
As much as nintendo fans like to pretend that Nintendo is a real competitor in the traditional western home console market that values third party games like GTA6 or the next Witcher.
Bry0
Member
That AMD partnership could easily extend to cloud, considering rdna5 at0 seems like it's designed for cloud servers,
Additionally since the "magnus" Xbox apu is using the at2 chip slated for desktop gpu, if Xbox drops these projects AMD still has a way to sell these chips. Basically no fully custom work for Xbox this upcoming gen where as Sony is very custom. This tells us Xbox was not super invested in this from the very beginning.
Additionally since the "magnus" Xbox apu is using the at2 chip slated for desktop gpu, if Xbox drops these projects AMD still has a way to sell these chips. Basically no fully custom work for Xbox this upcoming gen where as Sony is very custom. This tells us Xbox was not super invested in this from the very beginning.
Jaybe
Member
Plus the Bethesda MMO cancellation. He was the first to share that one too.
