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KeplerL2 said:
Pretty much, it was supposed to tape-out in Q4.

Because AMD needs the commitment to justify their R&D

AFAIK the handheld was cancelled because AMD wanted a commitment of 10m+ units to justify making a dedicated SoC, but with Steam Deck only selling ~5 million units and ASUS ROG/Lenovo Legion only selling 1-2 million MS didn't want to take the risk.
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10m is a big ask in their current situation, I would also opt out tbh
 
First and current XBox were excellent hardware. 360 seemed cheap, XBone should have been a higher-end SSD gaming thoroughbred, that's where MS fukd up, which dragged to this gen.
 
Astray said:
Bro the clowns running Microsoft Gaming are nowhere near Nintendo's level.

This is almost insulting to Miyamoto and Iwata tbh.
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Exactly. N64, GC, and WiiU weren't really massive hits for Nintendo sales wise, but no one got the feeling back then that they were in trouble like MS is with Xbox.

Nintendo are masters of getting themselves out of a pickle and adapting.
Microsoft aren't. As we've seen the last 10-15 years.
 
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Not sure how widespread this is, but it looks like Walmart has started to convert its Xbox sections to other things? Is this another sign of the impending discontinuation of the Xbox console line?
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There might be some type of device with Xbox branding on, but it's hard to see any upside in developing a proper next gen console unless they return to exclusives.
 
foamdino said:
The whole point of the "custom" design is to include the backwards compatibility IP for older Xboxes so they don't need to relicense everything as a PC game (not going to happen). So if they drop the custom part in favour of a general purpose APU, they give up on the backwards compatibility (that's my take).

I mean given what has been happening I can't say they won't have another brain fart and decide to ditch bwc for the next-gen machine - but then it really isn't a console *at all*
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RDNA 5 and beyond GPUs should have BC baked in.
 
Ellis said:
Exactly. N64, GC, and WiiU weren't really massive hits for Nintendo sales wise, but no one got the feeling back then that they were in trouble like MS is with Xbox.

Nintendo are masters of getting themselves out of a pickle and adapting.
Microsoft aren't. As we've seen the last 10-15 years.
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Let's not forget the GC was no slouch when compared to the competition at the time, and was 2nd only to Xbox in terms of power, that was the last time Nintendo were actively staying in the horsepower game....fortunately for them the Wii was a massive hit and they bounced back from the Wii U... but for it's time N64 and GC were more than capable in handling the competition from Sony...
 
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Imagine if BOTW and Mario Kart 8 came out on Wii U, PS4, PC and finally Switch instead of Wii U and Switch. Yeah, maybe Xbox can pull off a Nintendo move
 
lastmessiah said:
Yeah this is obvious to everyone except the big brains at GAF. The second largest market cap company just made a muti-year partnership with AMD and launched their cloud platform out of beta, following a historic acquisition. They are only just getting started.
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The second largest market cap company can afford to drop something they invested in and move on when it is clear it is not going to be profitable enough to warrant further investment. They can also lay off the HW division. They love that.
 
KungFucius said:
The second largest market cap company can afford to drop something they invested in and move on when it is clear it is not going to be profitable enough to warrant further investment. They can also lay off the HW division. They love that.
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The big brain memes will be glorious in a few months
 
KungFucius said:
The second largest market cap company can afford to drop something they invested in and move on when it is clear it is not going to be profitable enough to warrant further investment. They can also lay off the HW division. They love that.
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One can argue mobile or even Zune were far more importnant for MS but both were closed and shuttered without any hesitation. Microsoft can care less about expenses if it makes the corporation more focused and profit-driven mid-term.

Funny that people really think than in a light of AI race Microsoft wouldn't dare to walk back on Xbox console contract because of some termination fees, even if they will cost them a few billions. Xbox Console at this point is net negative anyway, basically dead in retail and worldwide and they will lose more billions even making one regardless. It's easier to write off the whole HW division, cut the losses and then recoup them with SW sales and AI bubble.
 
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ShaiKhulud1989 said:
One can argue mobile or even Zune were far more importnant for MS but both were closed and shuttered without any hesitation. Microsoft can care less about expenses if it makes the corporation more focused and profit-driven mid-term.

Funny that people really think than in a light of AI race Microsoft wouldn't dare to walk back on Xbox console contract because of some termination fees, even if they will cost them a few billions. Xbox Console at this point is net negative anyway, basically dead in retail and worldwide and they will lose more billions even making one regardless. It's easier to write off the whole HW division, cut the losses and then recoup them with SW sales and AI bubble.
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Remember the iPhone funeral they staged?

That energy apparently hasn't changed going by the leaked emails from the FTC case.

It ended so well for them then and it seems to be going in the same direction now.
 
KeplerL2 said:
Pretty much, it was supposed to tape-out in Q4.

Because AMD needs the commitment to justify their R&D

AFAIK the handheld was cancelled because AMD wanted a commitment of 10m+ units to justify making a dedicated SoC, but with Steam Deck only selling ~5 million units and ASUS ROG/Lenovo Legion only selling 1-2 million MS didn't want to take the risk.
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Journos working fast, already articles on your comments

 
I mean, what did you expect them to say...it's clear they are pulling back from consoles by the second half of this gen as soon as natella realized game pass didn't deliver. I wish it wasn't so, and they pulled off a 360, but after the $800 series X, it became clear they don't give a shit about sustaining the console hardware longterm. They are fleecing their diehard fanbase for all of their worth, so that as they pull out, they maximize returns and doubling the game pass price and the first day games wall basically told their fanbase more than empty words ever will.
 
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Not sure I believe anything Microsoft say about Xbox at this point because they could say something completely different next week or next month as we've seen happen numerous times now.

To be honest, I haven't cared about Xbox since May 2024 when I cancelled my GamePass Ultimate subscription for my PC and Xbox Series X. I have no interest in Xbox consoles or the ecosystem but I will continue to buy the odd Xbox game that Microsoft publish for PC on Steam, e.g. The Outer Worlds 2 and Forza Horizon 6 .

Sad to see the Xbox brand go this way after the exciting promise of the Xbox and 360 era. Everything went down a steep incline with the extremely disappointing Xbox One and, in my opinion, Xbox has never recovered from that. Now every time Xbox are in the news, it is something negative that everyone hates on. It seems like they just cannot do anything right and even the much lauded GamePass is now attracting criticism for the massive price hikes and changes.

I can easily see a future where Microsoft abandon the console business for good and become a games publisher. That seems to be the direction they want to go, especially with their "everything is an Xbox" branding. If everything else is an Xbox then why would you need an Xbox?
 
Doctor Hades said:
Not sure I believe anything Microsoft say about Xbox at this point because they could say something completely different next week or next month as we've seen happen numerous times now.

To be honest, I haven't cared about Xbox since May 2024 when I cancelled my GamePass Ultimate subscription for my PC and Xbox Series X. I have no interest in Xbox consoles or the ecosystem but I will continue to buy the odd Xbox game that Microsoft publish for PC on Steam, e.g. The Outer Worlds 2 and Forza Horizon 6 .

Sad to see the Xbox brand go this way after the exciting promise of the Xbox and 360 era. Everything went down a steep incline with the extremely disappointing Xbox One and, in my opinion, Xbox has never recovered from that. Now every time Xbox are in the news, it is something negative that everyone hates on. It seems like they just cannot do anything right and even the much lauded GamePass is now attracting criticism for the massive price hikes and changes.

I can easily see a future where Microsoft abandon the console business for good and become a games publisher. That seems to be the direction they want to go, especially with their "everything is an Xbox" branding. If everything else is an Xbox then why would you need an Xbox?
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I think that gaming wise their issues started actually in the 360 era post launch…

Interactive Entertainment Business Leadership Team Positioned to Drive Next Wave of Growth and Audience Expansion - Source

Microsoft announces new leadership roles for Shane Kim and Phil Spencer and the departure of Jeff Bell.
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Look who was promoted from GM of Xbox Gaming Studios in 2008 after being the GM of the European side of Xbox Gaming Studios from 2001 to 2008…

Acquired Rare (2002), Lionhead, etc…

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foamdino said:
The whole point of the "custom" design is to include the backwards compatibility IP for older Xboxes so they don't need to relicense everything as a PC game (not going to happen). So if they drop the custom part in favour of a general purpose APU, they give up on the backwards compatibility (that's my take).

I mean given what has been happening I can't say they won't have another brain fart and decide to ditch bwc for the next-gen machine - but then it really isn't a console *at all*
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Is that the point of the custom OS? To allow BC? I was wondering.

Or is it to make it more efficient (game-focused) by stripping out unnecessary Windows stuff? I'm assuming another purpose would be to build a UI that would put Xbox up front while still allowing access to other store fronts. But I'm not a tech guy, so who knows. I'm just trying to piece together was this custom OS is supposed to do.
 
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BlackTron said:
Imagine if BOTW and Mario Kart 8 came out on Wii U, PS4, PC and finally Switch instead of Wii U and Switch. Yeah, maybe Xbox can pull off a Nintendo move
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How? They tried to have a Skyrim but Bethesda blew it with Starfield. Halo was fun, but nothing more came of it. Pretty much everything they publish is either meh or good, even great, but not amazing.
 
KeplerL2 said:
AFAIK the handheld was cancelled because AMD wanted a commitment of 10m+ units to justify making a dedicated SoC, but with Steam Deck only selling ~5 million units and ASUS ROG/Lenovo Legion only selling 1-2 million MS didn't want to take the risk.
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Why would AMD demand 10m units when the most successful handheld, the Steamdeck, hasn't even hit 5m and other handhelds sell 1-2m?
 
Mr Reasonable said:
Why would AMD demand 10m units when the most successful handheld, the Steamdeck, hasn't even hit 5m and other handhelds sell 1-2m?
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Because that's the threshold where it makes sense to make a custom SoC for a product. AMD isn't spending $300 million or w/e the cost is to develop a 3nm SoC for something that might only sell 2 million units.
 
Mr Reasonable said:
Why would AMD demand 10m units when the most successful handheld, the Steamdeck, hasn't even hit 5m and other handhelds sell 1-2m?
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That would make sense if Microsoft wanted "dedicated SoC" and not something that can be used in other products. Steam Deck's SoC is now being used in the low end Xbox Rog Ally, for example.
 
Doctor Hades said:
Not sure I believe anything Microsoft say about Xbox at this point because they could say something completely different next week or next month as we've seen happen numerous times now.

To be honest, I haven't cared about Xbox since May 2024 when I cancelled my GamePass Ultimate subscription for my PC and Xbox Series X. I have no interest in Xbox consoles or the ecosystem but I will continue to buy the odd Xbox game that Microsoft publish for PC on Steam, e.g. The Outer Worlds 2 and Forza Horizon 6 .

Sad to see the Xbox brand go this way after the exciting promise of the Xbox and 360 era. Everything went down a steep incline with the extremely disappointing Xbox One and, in my opinion, Xbox has never recovered from that. Now every time Xbox are in the news, it is something negative that everyone hates on. It seems like they just cannot do anything right and even the much lauded GamePass is now attracting criticism for the massive price hikes and changes.

I can easily see a future where Microsoft abandon the console business for good and become a games publisher. That seems to be the direction they want to go, especially with their "everything is an Xbox" branding. If everything else is an Xbox then why would you need an Xbox?
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It seems like they're investing in and moving towards Cloud gaming. That's how everything can be an Xbox. It might be do well in countries with strong internet infrastructure, but there's many countries that do not have that. Time will tell, I guess.
 
KeplerL2 said:
Because that's the threshold where it makes sense to make a custom SoC for a product. AMD isn't spending $300 million or w/e the cost is to develop a 3nm SoC for something that might only sell 2 million units.
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This is crazy logic.

Microsoft and AMD, both players in console manufacturing for decades know how many units of hardware are sold. They're not going to walk into negotiations without understanding what is and isn't reasonable to expect and what the expected cost will be.

Microsoft aren't going to approach AMD and ask them to make custom silicon when they know that the projected sales for any device in this class would have to be more than double the market leader as a guarantee to make it worthwhile. It wouldn't be a surprise to them to know that AMD have both minimum orders and what sort of size those orders might be.
 
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