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Might & Magic X Legacy |OT| From Corak and Sheltem to Enroth and Erathia

@Ricker - If your party is missing often then try and add some points to Perception, it made a world of difference to me on my melee chars.

I'm now running around looking for Clarity items before i go into the final stretch, grrrr NOTHING! :(
 

AkuMifune

Banned
Just took the lengthy Ubisoft survey they sent on MMX. I know it's just a survey, but reading questions like, "Would you play a Might and Magic MOBA? MMO? Third-Person Action game? " feels tragic. Essentially "Wow, this thing made money...quick, how can we run it into the ground?!?!"My open ended comments were fun, ripping Ubisoft for potentially ruining it and telling them to appreciate whoever made it as they're obviously the only ones in the building who know what makes the franchise great in the first place.

My only negatives were "too short" and "Uplay".
 

Phinor

Member
My only negatives were "too short" and "Uplay".

I feel like I got my money's worth and more so the game length was a positive for me, compared to the price.

I don't know what would be more dull, Elder Scrolls MMO or Might&Magic MMO. I really hope that even if they go after the MMO or MOBA crowd with a game no one wants, that they also allocate enough resources for a new M&M Legacy type game with some improvements while keeping most of the core systems intact.

The survey also mentioned HD remakes. I don't remember what game they mentioned but I'm already drooling after M&M VI-VII-VIII HD remake. Unlikely to happen but you can always dream.
 

Durante

Member
I'm not normally big on "HD remakes" or remakes of any kind really, but I think a Xeen remake would be a great idea. If executed well, it could introduce a whole new generation of gamers to the glory of early 90s cRPGs.

Edit: Ubisoft really needs to be disabused of the notion that anyone bought X, or indeed any M&M game, because of the setting. Making other random games in the same universe doesn't make sense, people bought this because of the gameplay.
 

Sinatar

Official GAF Bottom Feeder
Just took the lengthy Ubisoft survey they sent on MMX. I know it's just a survey, but reading questions like, "Would you play a Might and Magic MOBA? MMO? Third-Person Action game? " feels tragic. Essentially "Wow, this thing made money...quick, how can we run it into the ground?!?!"My open ended comments were fun, ripping Ubisoft for potentially ruining it and telling them to appreciate whoever made it as they're obviously the only ones in the building who know what makes the franchise great in the first place.

My only negatives were "too short" and "Uplay".

I just did the survey too and had similar comments (minus the too short part which I don't agree with).
 

AkuMifune

Banned
I just did the survey too and had similar comments (minus the too short part which I don't agree with).

Yeah, I probably phrased that incorrectly. I thought the length was fine for what I paid, I just want more of the same.

And I personally would like them to keep it tile-based, but if we took a vote I'm not sure it would stay.
 
Just took the lengthy Ubisoft survey they sent on MMX. I know it's just a survey, but reading questions like, "Would you play a Might and Magic MOBA? MMO? Third-Person Action game? " feels tragic. Essentially "Wow, this thing made money...quick, how can we run it into the ground?!?!"My open ended comments were fun, ripping Ubisoft for potentially ruining it and telling them to appreciate whoever made it as they're obviously the only ones in the building who know what makes the franchise great in the first place.

My only negatives were "too short" and "Uplay".

This sounds bad, fucking Ubisoft. They take one step forwards then 10 step backwards.
 

Durante

Member
Taking the survey now.
  1. Lying about owning consoles. Check.
  2. WTF, Divinity: OS isn't even out yet and they ask whether you own it. I do because of KS, but still funny. Check.
  3. The selection of games in that list is really curious.
  4. Oh great, now I have to rate Divinity: Original Sin. I guess playing the Alpha for 1 hour is enough to do so!
  5. Rating "Any Guild Wars game" is also easy.
Well, the rest of the survey was actually pretty interesting.

We do need people to fill this one out correctly, so I'll quickly cover the basics:
  • We don't want a M&M action game, MMO, MOBA, or any of that other crap, but you will immediately buy a RPG.
  • You spend 100% of your (plentiful) money on full PC games, nothing else.
  • The features you liked most in M&MX were the open world exploration and battle system.
  • You want more riddles and a larger party in the next game.
 

Sentenza

Gold Member
Taking the survey now.
  1. Lying about owning consoles. Check.
  2. WTF, Divinity: OS isn't even out yet and they ask whether you own it. I do because of KS, but still funny. Check.
  3. The selection of games in that list is really curious.
  4. Oh great, now I have to rate Divinity: Original Sin. I guess playing the Alpha for 1 hour is enough to do so!
  5. Rating "Any Guild Wars game" is also easy.
Well, the rest of the survey was actually pretty interesting.

We do need people to fill this one out correctly, so I'll quickly cover the basics:
  • We don't want a M&M action game, MMO, MOBA, or any of that other crap, but you will immediately buy a RPG.
  • You spend 100% of your (plentiful) money on full PC games, nothing else.
  • The features you liked most in M&MX were the open world exploration and battle system.
  • You want more riddles and a larger party in the next game.
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Moff

Member
yeah I dont know if these surveys are worth anything, but I placed my answers honestly which reflects my wish to have another might and magic, pretty much like legacy, only much bigger. I dont know if its any use, but I feel like I did my part ;)
 

Big_Al

Unconfirmed Member
Whilst I completely respect the fans and what they want from a Might and Magic game I'd desperately want another Dark Messiah of Might and Magic game in addition to those. Then of course that was Arkane that made that and they'll never be making another Might and Magic game again.
 
Took the survey, overall I really liked the game. I put around 80 hours into it, though I'm sure there are others with much more. I love the tile based and turn based combat, really more of that and I'm in. I answered "yes" to HD remakes because, well why not, but truthfully I've never been able to follow the story in M&M and this one is no exception. M&M 6 is one of my favourite games ever and I couldn't tell you what it was about, other than aliens and kickass dungeons ;)

Overall performance with the game I thought was OK, but certainly at some points when it begins loading a new zone it thrashes like crazy. When it's not loading though, it worked fine.

I would like to see the magic system expanded, I didn't think there were enough spells... or maybe not enough spell progression? It felt like at expert for most of the schools I had any spells that were worthwhile, and I could buy them all in the starting town. The GM spells were really not that good for any school, though some like in earth were especially not useful. And every school should have viable damage at expert level, as well as AoE damage. I felt like if you didn't have a fire and/or air GM, magic damage was pointless. I remember in M&M 6 pretty much every school had a good 1-2 offensive spells so it made different party builds more viable.

Speaking of party builds, I found it was too easy on warrior mode between classes and skill points to make a non viable party. Ranged was useless, and there was not good enough feedback to let you know just how important weapon skill and perception was. It would also be nice in a tooltip or something if it let you know that "balanced" characters don't seem to be the way to go. I had FAR more success on subsequent playthroughs if I just maxed out 1 skill at a time (at least to master) before moving on to the next, vs. moving everything up to "expert" level to make them equal. I know its not popular with the "hardcore" but I feel that a respec option would have been a big time saver. If you don't like it, don't use it, but it would have saved me a re-roll at any rate once I learned how weak expert only magic is, and not to put points into ranged combat ;)

Similarly with the difficulty, warrior mode was too unforgiving with a bad party build. I routinely found myself in Act 2 running out of potions, and with no way to grind gold on re-spawning enemies I had no way to buy more. If I had the correct build the first time I think warrior mode would be ALMOST right. Conversely on Adventurer mode it was far too easy; enemies didn't stand a chance and even in the early game (Act 2) I could simply celestial armour and melee with all of my characters (even my mage) and get great results on any trash mobs. Combat on warrior mode was brutal without scrambling for any form of CC (even gust/roots, sleep was a godsend), on Adventurer mode I don't think I used CC even once.

One thing I've always enjoyed in M&M is that the debuffs are really nasty and have to be taken seriously. Poison, Curse, Weakness, etc... many games have things like that but when you get hit with them you don't even care (I'm looking at you D&D)... just a minor nuisance to clean up after the battle when camping. This game was similar, you had to clean debuffs very quickly and carry a cache of potions for stuff like feeblemind if your cleanser got nailed, definitely appreciated... even late game basic debuffs like poison could be quite bad on your lower health caster characters.

Overall a very enjoyable game... give me more Ubi, I will buy it! I'm loving this minor resurgence in old-school type games with a fresh coat of paint and a few tweaks. It gives me the blast of nostalgia I crave without having my eyes bleed out on 320x240 gog classics (<3 ya gog). I'd take another one of these games any day, but I'd pay real money for something remade in the vein of the TSR Gold Box series.
 

KePoW

Banned
I'm not normally big on "HD remakes" or remakes of any kind really, but I think a Xeen remake would be a great idea. If executed well, it could introduce a whole new generation of gamers to the glory of early 90s cRPGs.

World of Xeen remake would be awesome as heck!!

I took the time to complete the survey as well, make sure we inform them we like tile-based RPGs.
 
No remakes people. Ubi should not waste time and resources remaking M&M3-5. Maybe they could release them via some sort of DOSBox on iOS but that is all. They should follow up M&MX (great game) with M&M11. Strike while the iron is hot.

Here's how you should fill in the survey:

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And explain to them in the final question that they should not be dumbing down the next installment in order to chase that Skyrim/ Call of Duty money. I know I explained it well. IN CAPS.
 

vocab

Member
A dark messiah that's comparable to kings fields design with original dark Messiahs kicking mechanic. God that shit would be amazing.
 

AzureSky

Member
i wouldnt mind remakes of M&M3-5. Didnt have the pleasure to play them back in the day and as much as i would love to play them now, i cant stomach the archaic UI. A new game would probably still be better, depending on ressources a remake would need.

After taking this survey i'm pretty sure there will be another M&M game, which is great. Cant wrap my head around all the different genres they are asking about though. Dota, starcraft, diablo, mmo .... That's just wrong.
 
No remakes people. Ubi should not waste time and resources remaking M&M3-5. Maybe they could release them via some sort of DOSBox on iOS but that is all. They should follow up M&MX (great game) with M&M11. Strike while the iron is hot.

Here's how you should fill in the survey:

untitledy3sx8.png


And explain to them in the final question that they should not be dumbing down the next installment in order to chase that Skyrim/ Call of Duty money. I know I explained it well. IN CAPS.

Sorry, But I'll have to put the daiblo&pokemon style, and RTS under "will definitely buy".
 

jimboton

Member
Taking the survey now.
  1. Lying about owning consoles. Check.
  2. WTF, Divinity: OS isn't even out yet and they ask whether you own it. I do because of KS, but still funny. Check.
  3. The selection of games in that list is really curious.
  4. Oh great, now I have to rate Divinity: Original Sin. I guess playing the Alpha for 1 hour is enough to do so!
  5. Rating "Any Guild Wars game" is also easy.
Well, the rest of the survey was actually pretty interesting.

We do need people to fill this one out correctly, so I'll quickly cover the basics:
  • We don't want a M&M action game, MMO, MOBA, or any of that other crap, but you will immediately buy a RPG.
  • You spend 100% of your (plentiful) money on full PC games, nothing else.
  • The features you liked most in M&MX were the open world exploration and battle system.
  • You want more riddles and a larger party in the next game.

About time somebody focus tested us ;)
 

Wiktor

Member
Ubisoft has been swinging M&M license to other genres for many years now and all of those attempts have been underwhelming, aside from maybe card game (didn;t play it, but I've heard it's pretty nice). Meanwhile the RPG and TBS (real ones, not F2P garbage) always did pretty well. So hopefully they will stick with that.

It's sad that a lot of those crappy attempts are done by high profile studios. Really Ubisoft..you're using THE Blue Byte to make damn browser games? Jeez.
 

Ricker

Member
Survey my ass...how about you make your game less frustrating and add the option to change difficulty without starting over,make a section that you can at least grind a little so you can beat your first annoying as fuck Boss etc etc...

I'm done with this...
 

Moff

Member
the first boss is probably the hardest one on the game (the one in the lighthouse). I consider him some kind of a barrier with purpose. if you cant beat him, restart the game on the lower difficulty. if you can beat him, you are good to go for the rest of the game.
that way you wont have to restart after dozens of hours.
 

Cheech

Member
the first boss is probably the hardest one on the game (the one in the lighthouse). I consider him some kind of a barrier with purpose. if you cant beat him, restart the game on the lower difficulty. if you can beat him, you are good to go for the rest of the game.
that way you wont have to restart after dozens of hours.

The starting boss is more about moving around than standing toe to toe with him.

It's kinda like how the Souls games like to present their bosses. They look intimidating on the surface, but are dirt easy once you figure out the trick to beating them.
 

Corpekata

Banned
Sorry but any shot at Dark Messiah and Clash of Heroes sequels I have to take, no matter how small. Otherwise I filled it in as I expect most would.
 

birdchili

Member
i'm not hung-up on the performance of the game, but it sure would be nice for it to run more smoothly. my machine isn't a screamer anymore, but even with detail way down it just chugged in some places.

the two things i want the most:

1) better balanced difficulty curve. i think there were perhaps two places post mid-chapter-two that were actually challenging. give me more tricky stuff later in the game.

2) some way to either disengage from combat, or get some sort of idea how hard a fight is going to be before engaging. the early parts of chapter two are so annoying because everything everywhere can kill you, but you have to actually fight/die/reload to find out. give me some recon abilities at least.
 

marrec

Banned
I'm putting "fuck yes" on the bit about a new Clash of Heroes, GAF. Come at me.

I really really tried to like Clash of Heroes, but it ended up boring me. I prefer minimalism in my puzzle RPGs I guess and Clash of Heroes was anything but. Definitely would not buy.

I loved filling out that survey by the way, felt good being able to say 'Fuck yes do this more.'
 

KePoW

Banned
i'm not hung-up on the performance of the game, but it sure would be nice for it to run more smoothly. my machine isn't a screamer anymore, but even with detail way down it just chugged in some places.

Yeah I think the UNITY engine just sucks for this type of game.

This is the first UNITY engine game I've ever played, and I'm definitely not impressed with it.
 

Raggie

Member
I'd love to see remakes as well. Maybe they should encourage fans to do them with the mod kit instead of doing it themselves?

I don't think one could make "proper" remakes with the mod kit. The earlier games were set in a different world, so the creatures are different.

I'd just want remakes of the first two. They're the only games in the series I haven't played because they're so outdated. A 3DS remake would be cool, too.
 

Knurek

Member
No remakes people. Ubi should not waste time and resources remaking M&M3-5.

Actually, I think they should. No sane person will want to go back to those games' clunky UI after experiencing MMX, and they are better games than MMX is (not that I'm calling MMX bad, of course).
 
Actually, I think they should. No sane person will want to go back to those games' clunky UI after experiencing MMX, and they are better games than MMX is (not that I'm calling MMX bad, of course).

Those that wanted to play M&M3-5 already did in the past. Who would be exactly the target for those remakes?

I don't know man, I think the audience for 1-5 remakes is really small. Even smaller than the audience for M&MX was.

/please Ubi put M&M3-5 on iOS
 

Raggie

Member
Those that wanted to play M&M3-5 already did in the past. Who would be exactly the target for those remakes?

Those who haven't played them yet because they are so old and look crummy (i.e. most people)?

I can't see why there wouldn't be enough interest. Gridders have been doing good on handhelds. Why wouldn't Might&Magic sell if Etrian Odyssey does?
 

Ricker

Member
the first boss is probably the hardest one on the game (the one in the lighthouse). I consider him some kind of a barrier with purpose. if you cant beat him, restart the game on the lower difficulty. if you can beat him, you are good to go for the rest of the game.
that way you wont have to restart after dozens of hours.

I am not starting over...I have put 11 hours until that stupid Boss fight and thats it...I uninstalled this unbalanced, badly designed game,it doesn't deserve the space that it was taking on my hard disk and I am not buying any more Might and Magic games...
 
I'm putting "fuck yes" on the bit about a new Clash of Heroes, GAF. Come at me.

Come at you? I'm coming with you, I totally agree.

I posted in the Steam thread about finishing Paper Sorcerer. I figured some of you guys might be into it. It's like a xeroxed zine version of this style of dungeon crawler. Very DIY but still very good. I haven't done a full M&MX Warrior run yet but I think gets quite a bit harder than this game, if you're looking for the next challenge.

I thought about checking it out. I'm thinking about going with Paper Sorcerer and then waiting for more patches or possible expansions before I get Might & Magic X.
 
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