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From the pewdiepie thread but relevant here:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=230443715&postcount=810

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Maher's not going to discredit this dude in any way, they'll just have some playful banter and ultimately Milo will gain some more followers willing to shoot people while self-proclaimed liberals continue to preach tolerance for hatred.

Good financial planning by Maher/Milo

 

[WrenchNinja]

My morality (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with it, it's just an empty phrase devoid of any meaning that you think sounds good but is just nonsense

Only someone who has never experienced prejudice and hate in their life would call what he said empty or nonsensical.

 

[Darth Ghandi]

Are you fantasizing about a civil war?

This is not a healthy mentality at all.

Well people are up for debating with people over the humanity of transgendered and minority people. So i don't have that much faith.
I think we are one economic crisis away from hell.

 

[firehawk12]

It's more than that. The last time Milo spoke at a college, a trans girl was harassed out of school. His plan for the Berkley speech was to out undocumented students (antifa stopped him).

When Milo talks in front of an audience, vulnerable people get hurt. There is a direct cause and effect at play.

How do liberals justify this? How is it ok to let a klansmen onstage when you know he's going to grab the mic and scream "kill all the n*****s!", and that people will do it?

Maher is not a liberal. lol
He's a libertarian who holds liberal values.

 

[Armaros]

You went full psycho huh

anti-Semitism, white supremacy and neo-naziism really bring out the alt accounts.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

Maher is not a liberal. lol
He's a libertarian who holds liberal values.

Bill Maher is as liberal as it gets, calling him a libertarian laughable

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Maher is not a liberal. lol
He's a libertarian who holds liberal values.

I think he's talking about the liberals who feel Milo needs to be given as many platforms as possible, not Maher

 

[shamanick]

Only someone who has never experienced prejudice and hate in their life would call what he said empty or nonsensical.

Ok here's another chestnut for you then:

"Give a racist some food and they will throw that food at you and your shirt will be dirty"

I should become a professional quote-maker

 

[Goldenroad]

Maher is not a liberal. lol
He's a libertarian who holds liberal values.

A libertarian would not want gun control, nor marijuana to be a regulated and taxed commodity, unless I have a fundamental misunderstanding of libertarian values.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Bill Maher is as liberal as it gets, calling him a libertarian laughable

As liberal as it gets?

Nah he's left but he's not as liberal as it gets lol.

 

[Magus1234]

Bill Maher is as liberal as it gets, calling him a libertarian laughable

 

[kirblar]

A libertarian would not want gun control, nor marijuana to be a regulated and taxed commodity, unless I have a fundamental misunderstanding of libertarian values.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of libertarians, yes. Libertarian doesn't (necessarily) mean Lassez-Faire free market crazy person.

Legalizing and regulating illegal drugs is a classic libertarian position.

 

[Foffy]

As liberal as it gets?

Nah he's left but he's not as liberal as it gets lol.

How much more liberal would Maher need to get?

He seems to check all of the boxes outside of supporting UBI (this is a "liberal" view only in America...), but he has talked about automation as an issue on his show years ago, even before the White House did.

 

[Goldenroad]

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of libertarians, yes. Libertarian doesn't (necessarily) mean Lassez-Faire free market crazy person.

Legalizing and regulating illegal drugs is a classic libertarian position.

Maybe liberalism in Canada is just different then.

 

[Breads]

This is not a healthy mentality at all.

Are you fence sitting on bigotry?

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

As liberal as it gets?

Nah he's left but he's not as liberal as it gets lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA64SX_52m8

 

[WrenchNinja]

Ok here's another chestnut for you then:

"Give a racist some food and they will throw that food at you and your shirt will be dirty"

I should become a professional quote-maker

Why? Aren't you more interested in having reasoned debates with Nazis about why minorities should live?

 

[How About No]

Props to Kame's big post

How do you think denazification happened? That the war stopped and everyone just accepted they were wrong?

 

[Bold One]

Ok here's another chestnut for you then:

"Give a racist some food and they will throw that food at you and your shirt will be dirty"

I should become a professional quote-maker

Dude, you should make T-shirts lol

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Dude, you should make T-shirts lol

Here's one that's probably perfect for him

"Debate trumps hate. Racism? can't relate"

 

[kame-sennin]

How much more liberal would Maher need to get?

liberal /= left

 

[ScatheZombie]

False. Fascism/Nationalism was effectively swept under the rug and is rearing its ugly head again all over Europe.

If it wasn't so awful, it'd be hilarious that the neo-nazis in Europe have adopted the Confederate flag as an alternative.

 

[firehawk12]

A libertarian would not want gun control, nor marijuana to be a regulated and taxed commodity, unless I have a fundamental misunderstanding of libertarian values.

Maher owns guns and believes in the second amendment, and he wants legal pot.

He hates liberals, and his current brand is based on attacking "extremist liberals" who want to "apologise for Muslims" and want "safe spaces".

 

[kame-sennin]

False. Fascism/Nationalism was effectively swept under the rug and is rearing its ugly head again all over Europe.

Were there mass lynchings and a Jim Crow system against Jewish people in 1945-2000 era Germany?

 

[shamanick]

Why? Aren't you more interested in having reasoned debates with Nazis about why minorities should live?

Suggesting that it may be productive to confront Milo is a far cry from what you said, but feel free to keep making statements that have no basis in reality

Dude, you should make T-shirts lol

I wouldn't dare when you have the market cornered on those bomb ass quotes

 

[PartlyCloudlike]

Bill Maher is as liberal as it gets, calling him a libertarian laughable

On a recent episode he went off on liberals who take issue with cultural appropriation, as if he could ever identify with the issue. Then as if to make a statement, he made an unfunny joke about an "OK Chinese Restaurant" that might be serving mystery meat, a stereotype probably alluding to dog meat . And he often says in exasperation "liberals!" So he's not as "liberal as it gets" by any stretch.

 

[dead souls]

Maher's an extremely weak interviewer. This segment is going to be a disaster.

 

[eot]

I can't take anyone who calls this guy a nazi seriously.

He's an asshat in more ways than I can count, but he's not a nazi and calling him one does more harm than good. There are actual neo-nazis to worry about.

It's all very well saying that if you attack his arguments on TV people will see that it's all bullshit, but I think that's the gaf liberal bubble speaking again. It's ignoring the fact that a lot of people aren't all that bright and could be swayed, and a whole other bunch of people want to believe that shit and it will entrench their views. Remember when we all thought Hillary destroyed Trump in those debates? The general public disagreed.

If people are swayed then that's our fault. Silencing people doesn't make them go away, and it only proves his point in the eyes of many people.

 

[Bowler]

Can you really call a guy that spouts offensive things specifically for money a 'Neo-Nazi'?
I don't buy for a second that he believes anything he espouses.

I'm having a hard time finding where the neo nazi label came from. From what I've seen this guy is not Spencer, and I think people group the two together via association

 

[radios shipping overview]

If anything, I expect this interview to help illustrate how liberal Maher isn't.

 

[Kthulhu]

I hope Maher tears him a new one.

 

[SerTapTap]

After republicans are praising this horrific trainwreck of a press conference, I think it's even clearer that letting milo speak will only ever benefit him. These people will never, ever be challenged. They do not live in a realm of facts.

Can you really call a guy that spouts offensive things specifically for money a 'Neo-Nazi'?
I don't buy for a second that he believes anything he espouses.

Since when is white supremacy for the purposes of earning money not True White Supremacy? If you kill someone for money we'll still call you a murderer.

For a dude proudly wearing an Iron Cross you'd think the Both Sides types would be a bit more accepting of the fact he's a fucking nazi.

 

[cartographer]

It's more than that. The last time Milo spoke at a college, a trans girl was harassed out of school. His plan for the Berkley speech was to out undocumented students (antifa stopped him).

When Milo talks in front of an audience, vulnerable people get hurt. There is a direct cause and effect at play.

People will keep ignoring this to focus on alternate dimensions and hypotheticals instead of the actual reality we all live in.

 

[Gattsu25]

I hope Maher tears him a new one.

Any recent examples of far right guests that Maher ripped apart? I heard he had Ann Coulter on during the last season, how did that go?

 

[Vincent Grayson]

I'm having a hard time finding where the neo nazi label came from. From what I've seen this guy is not Spencer, and I think people group the two together via association

I'm pretty sure it's from the one or two pictures out there of him dressed up as a Nazi.

Either way, you're right. Spencer is a nazi. Milo is just an asshole capitalizing on any anti-liberal sentiment he can.

 

[Dandy Lyin]

This season of Real Time has been painful to watch... And I'm a fan of the show. Tobi Lahren was annoying, Piers was insufferable... and Milo will be agonizing to watch.

 

[Kthulhu]

Any recent examples of far right guests that Maher ripped apart? I heard he had Ann Coulter on during the last season, how did that go?

Pretty much every insane conservative that goes on his show (there was a guy a few weeks ago, I don't remember his name). The slightly unreasonable conservatives get booed usually.

For clarity, I think Maher shouldn't have Milo on, but if he is, then he should do his best to humiliate him.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Bill Maher is as liberal as it gets, calling him a libertarian laughable

Calling him 'as liberal as it gets' is even more laughable than calling him libertarian.

 

[SirRattleBalls]

Hopefully, lessons have been learned from the last time Milo was given a platform and people calm down and just enjoy the debate, having an open dialogue is better for everyone. Not really watched allot of Maher but hopefully he lands some good punches

 

[Trokil]

I can't take anyone who calls this guy a nazi seriously.

He's an asshat in more ways than I can count, but he's not a nazi and calling him one does more harm than good. There are actual neo-nazis to worry about.

Actually that is what helped Trump so much. Because everybody was already a Nazi and the word was used so inflationary, he pretty much got a pass. There was nothing left to up the game, because everybody on the internet making a stupid joke was already worse than Hitler. And all this Nazi talk does only help Milo.

This internet hyperbole only helps extremists, because they can only hide behind people instead of getting called out. If every stupid idiot is already a Nazi, people will ask themselves if the next Nazi is really one or did he just make some stupid jokes on the internet. If words lose their meaning or their impact people will not listen to them anymore.

All this Nazi talk only gives him importance he actually does not have. And as much of a turd he is, people like Michele Bachmann or Christine O'Donnell (the witch lady) probably did a lot worse things to the LGBTQ community than Milo. For example: remember this article. But they went to Maher or he ridiculed them nobody was that opposed.

Milo is a troll and like any troll he can actually not do that much, only if you give him more importance than he has. People like Michele Bachmann smile and create a environment where gay teens commit suicide because the their system is way more diabolical and also a lot more discrete.

 

[Syder]

Posh British people just love dressing up as Fascists.

 

[shamanick]

Calling him 'as liberal as it gets' is even more laughable than calling him libertarian.

It's hard to define what that word even means anymore in the context of American politics, but he certainly is in the sense that he is a pretty solid Democrat.

Actually that is what helped Trump so much. Because everybody was already a Nazi and the word was used so inflationary, he pretty much got a pass. There was nothing left to up the game, because everybody on the internet making a stupid joke was already worse than Hitler. And all this Nazi talk does only helps Milo.

This internet hyperbole only helps extremists, because they can only hide behind people instead of beaning called out. If every stupid idiot is already a Nazi, people will ask themselves if the next Nazi is really one or did he just make some stupid jokes on the internet. If words lose their meaning or their impact people will not listen to them anymore.

All this Nazi talk only gives him importance he actually does not have. And as much of a turd he is, people like Michele Bachmann or Christine O'Donnell (the witch lady) probably did a lot worse things to the LGBTQ community than Milo. For example: remember this article. But they went to Maher or he ridiculed them nobody was that opposed.

Milo is a troll and like any troll he can actually not do that much, only if you give him more importance than he has. People like Michele Bachmann smile and create a environment where gay teens commit suicide because the their system is way more diabolical and also a lot more discrete.

This thread is a shining example of Nazi-related hyperbole

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Milo is a troll and like any troll he can actually not do that much, only if you give him more importance than he has.

Milo forced a trans student to quit school because he was given a public forum. So this statement is pretty much bullshit.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

There is no debate to be had with people like milo

 

[Trokil]

Milo forced a trans student to quit school because he was given a public forum. So this statement is pretty much bullshit.

As bad that this is, people like Michele Bachmann create environments where gay teens commit suicide or just vanish because the rather do not come out. But they do it with a smile, so I guess Milo is a lot worse.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

As bad that this is, people like Michele Bachmann create environments where gay teens commit suicide or just vanish because the rather do not come out. But they do it with a smile, so I guess Milo is a lot worse.

But as an argument on the harmlessness of Milo, it makes no difference to compare bodycounts, Milo has used every chance given to him to harm people, badly. He's not simply a troll, he directs an army of psychopaths to ruin people.

 

[B-Dubs]

As bad that this is, people like Michele Bachmann create environments where gay teens commit suicide or just vanish because the rather do not come out. But they do it with a smile, so I guess Milo is a lot worse.

Milo literally does this every time he speaks. Inviting him on is inviting him to harass some poor kid for no reason.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

It's hard to define what that word even means anymore in the context of American politics, but he certainly is in the sense that he is a pretty solid Democrat.

Solid US Democrat, but that alone doesn't make somebody 'as liberal as it gets'. Not even close.

 

[Trokil]

But as an argument on the harmlessness of Milo, it makes no difference to compare bodycounts, Milo has used every chance given to him to harm people, badly. He's not simply a troll, he directs an army of psychopaths to ruin people.

An army of trolls which means pretty much nothing. I would never be too afraid of them. However I am afraid of the nice people next door who just want to remind everybody of family values. They create the climate which actually makes a lot of people commit suicide and usually it will not be the trolls like Milo who will do the most fucked up thing but the quite and nice people as Eichmann showed pretty well.

So Milo and his goon squad is not something I would be afraid, but more the nice people showing up with good intentions, who are very happy to help. And fortunately Trump and Milo are not getting them. Real evil is not some loudmouth troll.