Skellig Gra
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That's a very defeatist attitude. We need to constantly expose people like this. The vast majority of people just don't pay attention to this stuff at all so they need really blatant in your face stuff to see it.
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Milo Yiannopoulos is Going on Real Time with Bill Maher
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That's a very defeatist attitude. We need to constantly expose people like this. The vast majority of people just don't pay attention to this stuff at all so they need really blatant in your face stuff to see it.
Mr.Shrugglesã
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I like the implication that Maher won't push back against this piece of trash.
Yes, you can.
karasu
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It's not about only having people he agrees with on the show. It's about not giving this guy a platform to spread absolute villainy. There are limits to rational discussion. When your opponent has no conscience you aren't going to get through to him in an argument despite your honey-dewed words.
Finn of Ooo
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Good, free speech is one of the basic tenets of our nation and exposing hate speech to the light of day is more effective than creating a precedent of snuffing out opinions we find distasteful or hateful. Any tool you use against an enemy is one they can turn against you. Let the piece of shit speak his piece and then tear the argument to shreds using logic.
RustyNails
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This is the point in time where new atheists and alt-right converge because of their hatred of Islam.Mr.Shrugglesツ;230421578 said:
People used to like that part of the show.
But since the left also went into the bubble, something Maher criticized for years about the conservatives, they don't want to be challenged anymore and also rather like this self congratulatory circle jerks.
That is why he is so under attack for his Islam statements. He is not on the same side on every issue, so he is not on the same side at all anymore. He also made similar statements about other religions, but that somehow people completely ignore.
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Empyrean Heaven
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Maher needs to take him down, piece by piece.
Look at what happened to Tomi Lahren. She was absolutely eviscerated by the rest of the panel and by the end, couldn't even put a complete sentence together. She was absolutely and totally exposed for the vapid, self-righteous, conservative line-towing, teleprompter-reliant moron she is. I would have preferred Milo be on the panel so the same could happen to him, but this might be even better.
Milo gets his power from both the idiots that go to his rallies and like him and the protesters that fight him, so what happens when he is put against a standardized argument from an experienced journalist, who believe it or not, shares a lot of the same ideas? Maher has spoken against political correctness and snowflake syndrome, all things the right loves to rail on, but does it from a leftist perspective. When you have someone like Milo who has this ideal that all liberals are mentally diseased losers, it changes your wavelength on things, and I don't know if he will be able to argue his way out of it.
Look at what happened to Tomi Lahren. She was absolutely eviscerated by the rest of the panel and by the end, couldn't even put a complete sentence together. She was absolutely and totally exposed for the vapid, self-righteous, conservative line-towing, teleprompter-reliant moron she is. I would have preferred Milo be on the panel so the same could happen to him, but this might be even better.
Milo gets his power from both the idiots that go to his rallies and like him and the protesters that fight him, so what happens when he is put against a standardized argument from an experienced journalist, who believe it or not, shares a lot of the same ideas? Maher has spoken against political correctness and snowflake syndrome, all things the right loves to rail on, but does it from a leftist perspective. When you have someone like Milo who has this ideal that all liberals are mentally diseased losers, it changes your wavelength on things, and I don't know if he will be able to argue his way out of it.
" Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant."
Plus Maher is an idiot, so he's not going to really challenge the guy and instead make some self righteous remarks and think he's nailing it.
Edit; also, milo is getting paid thousands of dollars to come up on air. Way to go!
Plus Maher is an idiot, so he's not going to really challenge the guy and instead make some self righteous remarks and think he's nailing it.
Edit; also, milo is getting paid thousands of dollars to come up on air. Way to go!
Resident_UA
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Are you afraid that this would get Liberals to join ISIS? What is an actual concern here? One thing I appreciate about the US is freedom of speech and as much as I hate some people I don't have issue with them talking as long as they don't break a law.
And just to be clear I stopped watching Real Time regularly when Maher was on his islamophobia shtick.
Milo and Duke are on the same level.
LegendofDragoonLives
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lmaooo the posts are coming you know it. Could be an interesting debate, you have to think Maher will go in at him at some point though.
I think the problem is that Milo's sneakier than Tomi Lahren or Ann Coulter and he'll leave out his nuttiest material in an effort to market himself as reasonable and the left as unreasonable.
I have no idea how this will play out - all I can say is Bill and his writers had better be researching Milo (they're usually pretty good about this) and make sure he's confronted with and has to explain his actual views. Otherwise Milo is going to manipulate the shit out of Bill.
I have no idea how this will play out - all I can say is Bill and his writers had better be researching Milo (they're usually pretty good about this) and make sure he's confronted with and has to explain his actual views. Otherwise Milo is going to manipulate the shit out of Bill.
The Technomancer
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Yes Milo's ideas are so "challenging". Can you point to one of them in particular that you think makes a good challenge to the left wing bubble?
They both were shut down at Berkeley and Maher finds common ground there. Tomi Lahren wasn't seriously challenged like Peirs Morgan was last week. With Jeremy not there, I doubt Milo will be questioned as thoroughly. With Maher coming out with a statement like this he might come at him harder than previously thought.
Milos viewpoint isn't one that's legitimate enough to be debated. Giving him this platform makes it seem legitimate.
But genocide and white supremacy are not debate subjects.
This kind of shit is how the left gets pushed further and further right of center because they want to be reasonable and let the nazi speak his mind. When you've shifted the scale that far (all the way to literal genocide) there is no center ground to meet on.
But genocide and white supremacy are not debate subjects.
This kind of shit is how the left gets pushed further and further right of center because they want to be reasonable and let the nazi speak his mind. When you've shifted the scale that far (all the way to literal genocide) there is no center ground to meet on.
Count Dookkake
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Daniel Carver is my favorite KKK member.
The Salt Life
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It's easier to discredit and bury people if you associate them with nazi's.
People forget what real nazi's were like
Milo is just a drama queen/racist that keeps getting attention because people keep giving it to him.
Putting him on a TV show is only going to prolong his celebrity status. Wish people would just ignore him already, the more we give him attention the sooner he will get his own reality TV show contract.
Alligatorjandro
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Not every voice needs to be heard
highrider
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I can't even take Milo seriously, he's clearly kind of trolling for attention and I'm sure it's lucrative for him. I feel like getting all worked up about him just plays right in to what he's going for.
As for Bill Maher, it's a show that requires viewers to be successful. Stirring the pot is good for that.
As for Bill Maher, it's a show that requires viewers to be successful. Stirring the pot is good for that.
It's fucking hilarious how Howard fucks with him.
FortuneFaded
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Has Milo ever advocated for genocide?
Even if he is just in it for the money doesn't change the fact that he does real harm to people.
LegendofDragoonLives
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I heard him on a podcast with Rogan and that was kind of an impression I got, dude just sounds like an attention whore of the highest order.
He'll be OK with religious hatred, and being able to say horrible shit.
It's not about getting through to him. It's about exposing his idiotic views.
PartlyCloudlike
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lol Maher neither eviscerated Piers or Toni. Remember when Conway was on pleaded for his audience to be polite and clap, then he lobbed her softball after softball. He's fairly docile to them and doesn't call them out on their controversial statements. Maher knows that if he's too hostile to the right, or alt right, they won't join his panel. Which in some cases I understand, for his show's format a liberal echo chamber would not be interesting.
Count Dookkake
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Bu-bu-bu-but giving them a platform!
Uh... yes?
Ignoring is interpreted as silently agreeing with them by people like Milo. So exposing him as an idiot actually shows him, that there are more than enough people not buying into his bullshit. Also showing people how people like Milo work is not a bad thing.
It's not like he can just fart out his crap unchallenged.
RustyNails
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No I'm not. I'm afraid this will embolden the nazis even more. It gives them a bigger audience and more exposure.
His positions on religion are straight out of an illiterate angsty teen. He has zero knowledge on theology and pulls out anthropological conclusions straight out of his ass to condemn religion as irrational.
Hari Seldon
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From what I have seen by reading gaf, talking to an alt-right person makes you catch the disease like political ebola.
The Illiterati
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I hate Milo. But I can only hope this ends up like that interview Richard Spencer gave to Roland Martin. Roland eviscerated him and left him looking like a bobblehead. In this instance..debate really worked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27RXiA0qkrM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27RXiA0qkrM
UnemployedVillain
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Exactly. Maher isn't running a news show. He has no "duty" or desire to be appear objective or neutral. He can be as hard as he wants to without the typical journalistic pleasantries, and I expect him to be. I don't see a problem with this, assuming he doesn't throw him softballs
Like, someone like Richard Spencer, he's an obvious fuck nugget cunt
But Milo, I don't even know if he takes all the vile shit he's done seriously. Like I don't know if he takes outting a trans student seriously or any of that terrible shit. The tiny self hating gay man is an enigma
But Milo, I don't even know if he takes all the vile shit he's done seriously. Like I don't know if he takes outting a trans student seriously or any of that terrible shit. The tiny self hating gay man is an enigma
Count Dookkake
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I'd say it's more like cooties.
GoodCoffeeJoey
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I thought Milo would be smart enough to know to stay on his home turf. Very interested to see how this goes, he could get torn apart and made to look like a fool, or it could be a huge backfire giving him a larger platform.
Resident_UA
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They will look like a joke to liberals. The more exposure they get as Clowns the better. And if you believe that US population is likely to turn into Nazis you have much bigger problem in the White House.
Aztechnology
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Alt-right is a soft term for fascism/borderline fascism. So I'd say yes.
It's honestly why I feel bad for saying the other day alt-left. I'm not aware of a large movement that exists that would actually fall into a category labeled alt-left. I think in terms of ideals there's far left. Which just takes left ideals to a more extreme level. But alt-right actually implies a very different thinking than traditional right. Which is smaller government involvement. Higher level of state autonomy etc.
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