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Milo Yiannopoulos is Going on Real Time with Bill Maher

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Syder

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It's easier to discredit and bury people if you associate them with nazi's.

People forget what real nazi's were like

Milo is just a drama queen/racist that keeps getting attention because people keep giving it to him.

Putting him on a TV show is only going to prolong his celebrity status. Wish people would just ignore him already, the more we give him attention the sooner he will get his own reality TV show contract.
You're totally right.
People have already given this mercenary enough attention. Maybe Americans don't get it because of the accent difference but as Brit, he comes across as essentially a stand-up, he's so disingenuous it's unreal. All I can hope is that Bill Maher tear him apart because I'm bored of hearing about him, it's tedious seeing people get outraged about him now.
 

legacyzero

Banned
I'm all for having him on the show. Bill can be pretty hardcore, so I'm interested. Bill better tear him down hard.

For all the knee-jerk reactions there have been, and I'm sure will be- shitty people just got the ultimate platform in a fucking Trump presidency. The platform is already THERE.

People who are attacking Bill for "giving him a platform WAAAAH" are forgetting a few key things.

1) The more you try to silence these people, the BIGGER their platform grows. FACT. Happened after Berkeley. Milo got a WAY bigger platform in main stream media after. The consequence to trying to smother the problem is greater that meeting it head on.

2)If they're go going to get any platform, let it be a platform where they are getting SKEWERED and tar and feather as much as possible. Put them in the mother fucking ring and box the shit out of them.

They are going to find their platform weather you like it or not. Stop complaining and fight the fight.
 

Phased

Member
No I'm not. I'm afraid this will embolden the nazis even more. It gives them a bigger audience and more exposure.

Do you think a lot of nazis are watching Bill Maher?

Milo is an idiot and the chances of anybody walking away from this saying "yeah he has some good ideas" are fairly slim given Real Time's viewership.

We can't be afraid of debating backwards ass people. The best way to get people to see how dumb their opinions and policies are is to tear them apart in a public interview.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
I sure hope Maher or someone brings up that the trite he engages in doesn't count as free speech and that he regularly harasses, doxes, and incites otherts to violence and harassment of others, none of those being actions protected by the first amendment.
This. I don't expect it though. People gloss over that constantly and just say "oh he has vile views but freedom of speech blah blah blah" fuck off, it's not even about his views, but his behaviour.

lol Maher neither eviscerated Piers or Toni. Remember when Conway was on pleaded for his audience to be polite and clap, then he lobbed her softball after softball. He's fairly docile to them and doesn't call them out on their controversial statements. Maher knows that if he's too hostile to the right, or alt right, they won't join his panel. Which in some cases I understand, for his show's format a liberal echo chamber would not be interesting.
Welp. So much for that. Fuck Bill Maher then.
 

MUnited83

For you.
I'm behind the ACLU on this. Discussion and discourse in an "academic" setting especially is more necessary than its ever been. To fully defeat a position, you have to understand their position almost as well as they do. Placing these people on a stage also highlights their rediculous positions instead of pushing them into the shadows where they remain these vague concepts and ideals that people can pretend are being suppressed unduly.

This doesn't really apply to Milo. He doesn't just spout vile shit. He actively attacks, harasses, doxes and incitivizes others to harass people. Those are not just opinions. Those actions are not defended by freedom of speech. What Milo regularly engages in is actively illegal.. Not a single University should accept having a motherfucking criminal come to their campus and commit crimes on stage.

I'm all for having him on the show. Bill can be pretty hardcore, so I'm interested. Bill better tear him down hard.

For all the knee-jerk reactions there have been, and I'm sure will be- shitty people just got the ultimate platform in a fucking Trump presidency. The platform is already THERE.

People who are attacking Bill for "giving him a platform WAAAAH" are forgetting a few key things.

1) The more you try to silence these people, the BIGGER their platform grows. FACT. Happened after Berkeley. Milo got a WAY bigger platform in main stream media after. The consequence to trying to smother the problem is greater that meeting it head on.

2)If they're go going to get any platform, let it be a platform where they are getting SKEWERED and tar and feather as much as possible. Put them in the mother fucking ring and box the shit out of them.

They are going to find their platform weather you like it or not. Stop complaining and fight the fight.
Berkeley protests prevented Milo from commiting crimes on their campus. You should not give a platform to fucking anyone to commit crimes, that's stupid as fuck.
 
I'm ok with this, Milo will get his chance to speak and Bill will roast him and make him look stupid


that's how you combat this, not by violently protesting him and making seem like a victim of suppressing freedom of speech, all that just played right into his hands
 
You're totally right.
People have already given this mercenary enough attention. Maybe Americans don't get it because of the accent difference but as Brit, he comes across as essentially a stand-up, he's so disingenuous it's unreal. All I can hope is that Bill Maher tear him apart because I'm bored of hearing about him, it's tedious seeing people get outraged about him now.
That's the issue? Tedious complaining? Not him causing actual harm by outing people or coordinating harassment campaigns?
 

Trokil

Banned
His positions on religion are straight out of an illiterate angsty teen. He has zero knowledge on theology and pulls out anthropological conclusions straight out of his ass to condemn religion as irrational.

How can you have a rational discussion about religion? That is a contradiction in itself.

A system where everybody is somehow entitled to interpret everything by themselves is immune to any form of rationality.

For example in the US there are christians who hate the poor.
 

KoopaTheCasual

Junior Member
As long as he doesn't go easy on Milo and rips into his bullshit talking points, I'm here for it.

But as people said, yeah, no new insight will be gleaned from this. They'll both yell at each other and the crowd will cheer/boo accordingly. Meh
 

Vagabundo

Member
I think generally platforms with no strong push back should be denied these motherfuckers where possible, they can talk amongst themselves in dark corners of the internet, but they have a following anyway, some level of challenging their fuckhead views can be good for everyone.

We're have to be ever vigilant against hateful fascists.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
I'm ok with this, Milo will get his chance to speak and Bill will roast him and make him look stupid


that's how you combat this, not by violently protesting him and making seem like a victim of suppressing freedom of speech, all that just played right into his hands

Because that worked so well for Donald Trump, by constantly giving him a platform the media effectively exposed him as the ridiculous demagogue that he is, and that's why he had no shot at being elec.... wait
 
Do you think a lot of nazis are watching Bill Maher?

Milo is an idiot and the chances of anybody walking away from this saying "yeah he has some good ideas" are fairly slim given Real Time's viewership.

We can't be afraid of debating backwards ass people. The best way to get people to see how dumb their opinions and policies are is to tear them apart in a public interview.
You bet there will be lot of nazis watching Bill Maher.
 

Irminsul

Member
His positions on religion are straight out of an illiterate angsty teen. He has zero knowledge on theology and pulls out anthropological conclusions straight out of his ass to condemn religion as irrational.
Err, it is?

And no, nothing in theology could prove otherwise. Maybe religious studies, but certainly not theology, because theology's assumptions are flawed.
 

Blader

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I'm ok with this, Milo will get his chance to speak and Bill will roast him and make him look stupid

Yeah, I'm sure that will happen. It will be Bill Maher, champion of the moderates and independents of America, who will finally kill Milo's rising profile dead in its tracks.
 

Ninhead

Member
As a side note, Jeremy Scahill has always been a horrible guest on Maher. Mumbling, incoherent and witless. It is probably a good instinct to step aside here, to allow someone with actual debate skills to face off against Milo in overtime.

I disagree. I always enjoyed him.
 

d00d3n

Member
Milos viewpoint isn't one that's legitimate enough to be debated. Giving him this platform makes it seem legitimate.

But genocide and white supremacy are not debate subjects.

This kind of shit is how the left gets pushed further and further right of center because they want to be reasonable and let the nazi speak his mind. When you've shifted the scale that far (all the way to literal genocide) there is no center ground to meet on.
Has Milo ever advocated for genocide?

I would also like to know about this advocacy for genocide. I assume there is a youtube clip?
 

CHC

Member
I know right. He should give platform to ISIS and David Duke too.

a) That is a pretty mighty leap

b) Why not? Are people going to go "wow I saw this really great Islamic extremist on Maher's show today and now I get it - I'm down for the cause!" Understanding the way that people think whose views are completely opposed to your own is interesting and valuable, even if it is as nothing more than some mental exercise. It's the same thing as books written about serial killers or tyrants.

The phrase "giving a platform" is just becoming so tired and sensationalized. He already has a platform, that's why he is on the show. You're not going to stop him from reaching his audience. But the chances that some random viewer of Maher's show is going to "defect" to the alt-right are about the same if not less than if some conservative watching realizes "this is who I'm in bed with."
 

Boney

Banned
Serious question is neo nazi the same as alt right?
They don't get swatiska tattoos and most don't perform vigilante lynching but yeah they're the same

Err, it is?

And no, nothing in theology could prove otherwise. Maybe religious studies, but certainly not theology, because theology's assumptions are flawed.
The non rational is not the same as irrational. And uh how are theology assumptions flawed? Believing in a magic man isn't a prerequisite for theology you know.
 

Trokil

Banned
Because that worked so well for Donald Trump, by constantly giving him a platform the media effectively exposed him as the ridiculous demagogue that he is, and that's why he had no shot at being elec.... wait

But the media did not call Trump out during the election, while Maher calls people out, even during his show. So there is a difference.
 
Personally, I like to see a guest from the "other side" every so often. It makes me understand how they think and what their main talking points are.

Obviously just doing the echo chamber thing was not fucking working last year.
 

MUnited83

For you.
I'm ok with this, Milo will get his chance to speak and Bill will roast him and make him look stupid


that's how you combat this, not by violently protesting him and making seem like a victim of suppressing freedom of speech, all that just played right into his hands

No, protesting him and preventing him from COMMITING CRIMES is absolutely the fucking way. Do you let people get on stage and commit murder for the sake of freedom of speech too? That's fucking bullshit.

I believe an empty auditorium is more effective, yes.
You think the deplorable idiots that invite me won't go see him when he speaks? That makes zero sense.
 
and it's on an ultra liberal premium HBO channel, those watching this are basically 99.9% liberals anyway, Milo won't convert anyone
Why is everyone focused on liberals turning? That's not the fucking point. This is not a zero sum logic. The point is, the nazis being emboldened because they got a new platform.
 
Yeah, I'm sure that will happen. It will be Bill Maher, champion of the moderates and independents of America, who will finally kill Milo's rising profile dead in its tracks.

Please quote me where I said he was going to kill Milo's rising profile? Or are you just going to make shit up to fit your narrative


Milo is going to look like a clown tomorrow, what that does to his profile is up in the air, but it won't be anything positive for him because he WILL have a chance to say what he wants and will look stupid doing so
 

Trokil

Banned
Serious question is neo nazi the same as alt right?

Nah, they are just idiots thinking that the heterosexual white male is somehow under attack. They are pretty much like fox news on steroids when it comes to the war on Christmas.

A lot of real nazis like to sail under their flag, but the alt right was actually born out of the idea that there is somebody out to get them.
 
Giving him a platform will do more harm than good.

You are normalizing his views and giving them airtime. More and more people will hear of him and look him up.

Facts don't matter, people don't care how stupid he sounds. He already got banned from Twitter and he's still out there. There's people who believe what he does and they see nothing wrong with it. People against his views already know how stupid it is and we don't Maher to demonstrate.

People with extremist views shouldn't be given a platform to spread their hate.
 
I expect him not to actually, I believe Maher has enough integrity to remain hostile to Milo fucking Yiannopoulos. But I'm still waiting for Maher to own his role in the rise of anti Muslim sentiment

I don't see why he should, he isn't responsible for that. That said he should primarily focus his ire on fundamentalist Christians. They're the real threat that America needs to deal with.
 
What's the point of having only people that he agrees with on his show? In this case maybe some idiots will tune in to watch and will start questioning their beliefs.

Yep. Best to give them the spotlight so their disgusting and wrong views can be eviscerated and shown to be wrong, stupid, hateful, and not worth considering.

Letting Milo fester in the dark corners of his own events filled with his own people who drank his Kool aid is what empowers him. Bring it into the light and expose it for what it is and it looks ridiculous.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
But the media did not call Trump out during the election,
Um, yes they did. They didn't take him seriously, but they certainly called him out for his vile comments.

while Maher calls people out, even during his show. So there is a difference.
I'm getting an otherwise impression here:
lol Maher neither eviscerated Piers or Toni. Remember when Conway was on pleaded for his audience to be polite and clap, then he lobbed her softball after softball. He's fairly docile to them and doesn't call them out on their controversial statements. Maher knows that if he's too hostile to the right, or alt right, they won't join his panel. Which in some cases I understand, for his show's format a liberal echo chamber would not be interesting.
 

Mivey

Member
Maybe he is just inviting him, so he can punch him the face ? (Of course he wouldn't announce that, it needs to look believable.)
 

SerTapTap

Member
With the rise of trump, Milo, Conway and Spicer, I think we can put to bed the notion that "debating" these people will "expose their flaws" or whatever. They'll just spout lies and their fans will eat it up. They've learned they don't need to tell the truth and they never lose as long as they don't act like it.

There is absolutely no point in letting these monsters on your show unless you're supporting them.

Alt right are "soft Nazis" in my view.

From their insistence they're not nazis maybe "Not-zis" is appropriate
 

mnz

Unconfirmed Member
I like it. Piers Morgan didn't look good on it and Tomi Lahren was even worse.

Not sure who puts these roundtable discussions Milo is on together, but I have never seen him against anyone actually capable of a good liberal argument. Which is probably the point. But Bill's show can sometimes do that.
 
Looking forward to this. I say whatever Bill Maher wants to do for controversy, I am for it.

Here's hoping between him and John Oliver, things can change in 2018. I think he needs to go after the DNC and have interviews with key members of them as well.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
With the rise of trump, Milo, Conway and Spicer, I think we can put to bed the notion that "debating" these people will "expose their flaws" or whatever. They'll just spout lies and their fans will eat it up. They've learned they don't need to tell the truth and they never lose as long as they don't act like it.

There is absolutely no point in letting these monsters on your show unless you're supporting them.
Ayup
 

Mahonay

Banned
No, protesting him and preventing him from COMMITING CRIMES is absolutely the fucking way. Do you let people get on stage and commit murder for the sake of freedom of speech too? That's fucking bullshit.
Jesus get a hold of yourself.

Milo is an absolute abhorrent piece of rotten shit, but Christ.
 

cackhyena

Member
Giving him a platform will do more harm than good.

You are normalizing his views and giving them airtime. More and more people will hear of him and look him up.

Facts don't matter, people don't care how stupid he sounds. He already got banned from Twitter and he's still out there. There's people who believe what he does and they see nothing wrong with it. People against his views already know how stupid it is and we don't Maher to demonstrate.

People with extremist views shouldn't be given a platform to spread their hate.
Wouldn't you argue he's bigger than ever after the Twitter thing? I didn't even know who he was until that happened.

Is harassment, doxxing and incitement to violence and harassment of specific individuals legal where you live?

Because holy fucking shit you must live on a complete hellhole.
I'm just reacting to how worked up you are.
 
Fuck, now I'm a #MiloMissle.

People did make it to the second sentence of the OP and know he's going to be the one on one interview guest and not apart of the panel, right?
 
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