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Milo Yiannopoulos is Going on Real Time with Bill Maher
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SerTapTap
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Considering how thoroughly the right hates Islam, I really wish we'd all just agree that absolutely no fucking religious anything has any god damn place in government or law, ever.
But it won't work because they feel the need to let the church, but only the christian one, rule the government.
KuwabaraTheMan
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You're going to be waiting a long damn time for that to happen.
Maher is trash.
No, they let way to many of his lies go away, because it was pushing rating. What they are doing now they should have done during the election.
Because Maher's demo will get the same red meat out of it. You will have the same argument and each side will see their guy winning. I don't see any benefit to giving this guy an additional platform because it's not going to hurt him in any way. People who watch Maher's show already know he's a piece of work.
As someone who hasn't seen the show beside some YouTube clips, what's the difference there?
MisterShine
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For anyone curious why OP is calling Milo a Neo-Nazi
http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/05/06/anatomy-of-a-cuckening/
So while he might say he's not a member/organizer of the Alt-right, a kind of diet neo-nazi movement, he understands and admits that there is a great deal he has in common with them. A bit of a stretch perhaps to call him outright a Neo-Nazi, but not an excessive one.
http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/05/06/anatomy-of-a-cuckening/
So while he might say he's not a member/organizer of the Alt-right, a kind of diet neo-nazi movement, he understands and admits that there is a great deal he has in common with them. A bit of a stretch perhaps to call him outright a Neo-Nazi, but not an excessive one.
I never did though?
Yes make way for Bill with his clever zingers written in advance by other people.
This is somewhere between irrelevant and misleading. There being violent protests and a campus lockdown after this cunt was scheduled to speak did gain him some attention. Maher simply not scheduling him on his show would be a non-story. And not a "it's not that big of a deal" non-story, it would be a non-story because nothing happened. Maher not having him on wouldn't give this shitbag attention, we just wouldn't have ever thought about it, like the time Bill Clinton and Jimmi Hendrix played a duet on the Ed Sullivan Show.
Bobby Roberts
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Providing him platforms to speak from is what emboldened him
Giving him bigger and bigger ones will only continue to do so.
What reality exists where calmly and rationally getting debated serves the same function as almost total exile from any public view?
This scenario depends on the prospect of large numbers of potential neo-nazis a) watching for their champion and b) maintaining an open enough mind to listen to reason when it's used.
You can see the inherent contradiction there, right?
Giving him bigger and bigger ones will only continue to do so.
What reality exists where calmly and rationally getting debated serves the same function as almost total exile from any public view?
This scenario depends on the prospect of large numbers of potential neo-nazis a) watching for their champion and b) maintaining an open enough mind to listen to reason when it's used.
You can see the inherent contradiction there, right?
legacyzero
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Crime? HUH? You mean violating his right to free speech? Sure, he's a shitty fucking person, but you don't get to dictate what his speech is anymore than he can. Free speech is free speech. Even if it's hate speech. Shitty, yes. But true. Free speech means I get to say things you don't like sometimes. But that also means you get to tell me the fuck off. That's the Beauty of it.
Trying to stifle free speech puts YOU on the same slippery slope.
You conveniently left out the rest of my post.... why?
I literally stated why Point 1 is relevant
NYR
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Let me take this opportunity to do some promotion.
The official Real Time thread barely gets two posts a week - Where are you people? Join us!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=424811
The official Real Time thread barely gets two posts a week - Where are you people? Join us!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=424811
KernelPanic
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It's the same thing.
Neo-nazi is way too unacceptable of a term so they rebranded themselves. Some of them hide or downplay their extremism to make it more palatable but they all have the same core beliefs even if some are more extreme than others.
Remember Hitler didn't announce his final solution on Day 1.
Honey Bunny
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It'll get worn out in a year. I really have to wonder what the new term will be after that.
Yeah, Milo is nothing more than a troll, but people act like he has actually any influence or even is in the same league as a real demagogue or somebody with real influence in politics or society.
Ignoring that this hyperbole is what actually makes Milo popular. Somebody like Mitch McConnell is 100 times worse for the people.
People that say that you shouldn't protest and prevent a Nazi douchebag from commiting criminal acts that target specific individuals on stage, using university resources and location, can fuck right off. If you know someone regularly commits crimes and is going to do so again without punishment, you absolutely should fucking block and protest him
Ah yes ... Nothing more than a "troll". A troll that makes trans students have to drop out and encourages his followers to mass report undocumented students to get them deported by ICE. Totally just a troll bruh
GeordieMark
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This strategy worked brilliantly with the BNP in the UK. Their leader was invited on to Question Time and was made to look like the fool he is, which pretty much killed the party.
Gross.
cubicle47b
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My prediction is that they're going to get along really well. Bill Maher will love Milo's style and sense of humor even if they get into subjects where they strongly disagree.
Fat_Caddis
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Has he not seen any of Milo's other "interviews"? The dude is second only to Conway is his commitment to evading questions and changing the subject. There isn't a drop of good-faith in his body. It's been clear to anyone who is paying attention that Milo exists to subvert productive dialog. He's a troll, nothing more. Maher is either too stupid to see this, or too arrogant in thinking that he can somehow embarrass Milo through debate. Milo's reach and influence will only grow because of this.
Inferno313
Banned
Maher is a fucking hack.
White liberal atheists like Maher aided and abetted in the rise of Islamaphobia that got us into our current predicament, don't forget that.
White liberal atheists like Maher aided and abetted in the rise of Islamaphobia that got us into our current predicament, don't forget that.
TheSkullPrince
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Don't hold back Bill, annihlate this chump.
Having said that, I have this love-hate thing for Mayer. He's a liberal bulldog but at the same time I'm not a fan of his views on religion.
Having said that, I have this love-hate thing for Mayer. He's a liberal bulldog but at the same time I'm not a fan of his views on religion.
Lionel Richie
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You don't win against this kind of people if you don't expose them as the stupid people they are. Good for Bill, I'm becoming more and more a fan of him.
Do you have any idea how free speech works? Milo has used his platform to openly attack random people he doesn't like, that's not exactly legal.
cartographer
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You made a post about the issue is giving him attention, and how he comes across as a comic and it's tedious to hear people complain him.
When in reality, it's not about giving him attention. He already has the power to cause actual harm. It's not people against his views filling his auditorium, it's the audience he already has, gathered through normal alt-right means. And he uses that audience to do actual harm.
There's no empty auditorium possibility. There's no ignoring being doxxed, or harassed, or outed. That is not something that happens to you, not something that requires giving Milo attention. People complaining is because he does actual heinous shit. I'm sorry that complaining provides a slight annoyance to you.
So yeah, you did. Or you have no idea what you're talking about.
There is no law against hate speech in the US so I'm not sure what you're talking about?
EDIT: OK you're probably referring to his direct harassment of people.
But god damn chill. We all hate Milo's bitch ass.
PartlyCloudlike
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I don't see Maher skewering Milo because his show doesn't focus on panel members. He has them on to get their opinions on the current events, but will he throw up on screen some of his Twitter posts that incited the racist comments made against Leslie Jones? That's something Chris Wallace would do on Fox News Sunday, not Real Time. If the topic of people being too sensitive to Twitter posts came up, then he'd mentioned it to Milo. Otherwise it won't come up. Otherwise he won't be skewered for anything really.
Ravensmash
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I do believe that giving a platform to these people is damaging in some extent - normalisation etc.
However, ignoring them outright isn't very safe either. They absolutely should be challenged in the mainstream if they're popular figures.
I guess I'm torn.
However, ignoring them outright isn't very safe either. They absolutely should be challenged in the mainstream if they're popular figures.
I guess I'm torn.
It seems you are not able to read.
Harassment is not protected under the first amendment. You might want to check your laws a bit better.
You can absolutely protest and prevent him from commiting those crimes. This is not infringing his freedom of speech. You know why? You are not the government and the crimes he commits are not protected under the first amendment.
d00d3n
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Sarcasm? I honestly think that even Maher himself would do a better job than Scahill.
Don't give platforms to people who spout vile hate. It's been explained so many times why this is a bad idea; even in the OP. Secondly, not giving someone a platform is not infringing on their right to free speech - nobody is entitled to a spot on a fucking panel show, unless they recently amended the constitution. Thirdly, how many times - again, in the OP - has it got to be explained that fascists will use liberal anxiety over free speech to their advantage?
That quote is so clearly diversionary."Alt-right? How could I be? Those guys hate me. Why, they josh me so hard at the fundraisers. "We hate you, Milo," they say. "It's almost hard for me to join in when you organise a massive online hate mob." Oh, those guys!"
Fuck me, he's writing for Breitbart and the article is entitled Anatomy of a Cuckening.
That quote is so clearly diversionary."Alt-right? How could I be? Those guys hate me. Why, they josh me so hard at the fundraisers. "We hate you, Milo," they say. "It's almost hard for me to join in when you organise a massive online hate mob." Oh, those guys!"
Fuck me, he's writing for Breitbart and the article is entitled Anatomy of a Cuckening.
The Jazz Cabbage Master
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Wish he could have Harris on there as well to debate this guy. I'm all for conversations, so I'm interested to see what happens here.
NYR
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He mentioned Milo was going to be on his show several weeks ago and readily admitted he does not know a lot about him and wants to talk to him. Mind you, that got ZERO press when he said that.
A lot of shitting on Maher in this thread for giving him a platform, yet this faux-outage is exactly what is giving him more attention than he ever deserved. 99% of the people in this thread wouldn't have even known Milo was on this week until this drama, which is the ironic part.
Liberals should be cheering this on - it is a heavyweight fight and we are sending one of our best to battle one of their worst.
Kai Dracon
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I suspect Milo is inevitably overconfident as all hardcore trolls are. When your entire gimmick is predicated on taking advantage of other people's civilized nature to spit in their faces and attack them without repercussion, you eventually believe you can do anything without consequences.
However, he is pretty good at playing the teflon narcissist who spins any encounter into a victory and pretending that all is going according to plan. There is a reason why he admires Trump.
I have no problem with this. I hope he gets tore a new one. Hell I hope the people that pretend they are not racist find a new idol they can get behind and become emboldened. I'd rather see those snakes in the grass than not.
I'm more disturbed about some in this thread mocking liberals for not wanting a neo-nazi to have a platform. Maybe just let them feel that way, can you really blame them considering who he is and what he wants of people that don't look like him? I'll never come to the defense of that piece of shit over a decent person and I feel pretty good about that thank you very much.
I'm more disturbed about some in this thread mocking liberals for not wanting a neo-nazi to have a platform. Maybe just let them feel that way, can you really blame them considering who he is and what he wants of people that don't look like him? I'll never come to the defense of that piece of shit over a decent person and I feel pretty good about that thank you very much.
Inferno313
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While I think Milo is despicable, and should be no-platformed as much as possible, which laws are you talking about? I'm genuinely asking, not trying to shit on you. I just know that the SCOTUS ruled that the first amendment covered the heinous actions and hate speech of Westboro Baptist just a few years ago.
QuantumBro
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I do love how a lot of people in this thread somehow Milo is going to convert the 20-30 year old stoner liberals who watch Real Time into alt-right members.
Here's last weeks interview with Al Franken to give you a feel. Just a one on one 10ish minute interview with him and then Bill will go to the panel without him. Milo might show up for a bit in his Overtime segment.
Yeah, don't really get why anyone isn't taking those out of context tweets from random people as 100% fact.
Here's last weeks interview with Al Franken to give you a feel. Just a one on one 10ish minute interview with him and then Bill will go to the panel without him. Milo might show up for a bit in his Overtime segment.
Yeah, don't really get why anyone isn't taking those out of context tweets from random people as 100% fact.
Yes, that what makes him a troll. He has no power to do anything. Yes, he can harass people but that is about it. Hyper inflating his importance only makes him more important than he actually is and let him get exposed by Maher is not something bad.
He's mostly correct on like 95% of everything else though. He's no more harsh on Islam than any other religion, but he's probably spent a lot more time viciously shitting on Christianity throughout his career. It's just that it's more popular to shit on Muslims in America than it is Christians, so it looks like he's falling in line.
Fine Ham Abounds
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White attention whores have all the time in the world to debate and are frequently given mass media platforms to do it on. Par for the course.
Seriously though, I'm sure Maher will beat the shit out of him and then agree with like 10% of what he says and will finish up with a smile and toothless quip. Tune in next week when he have Al Sharpton, Michael Richards, and Richard Spencer. Good night!
Seriously though, I'm sure Maher will beat the shit out of him and then agree with like 10% of what he says and will finish up with a smile and toothless quip. Tune in next week when he have Al Sharpton, Michael Richards, and Richard Spencer. Good night!
LegendofJoe
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There's too much truth to this. Idiots and terrible people don't deserve a wide reaching platform to spew their vile garbage on.
legacyzero
Banned
Really now. How many posts in this thread contain "cunt", "shitbag" etc?
Cuff em.
Yes. It's legal to "attack" people. It's another thing to incite violence or panic. Has he done either of those, if no- free speech.
Look, I'm not defending the guy for being a shitty fucking human being. I'm defending the his rights, same as yours. All I'm saying is, if he's going to have any platform (Which is going to happen, like it or not, sadly). Then join him on hat platform and beat the living shit out of him idealogically.
afternoon delight
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The unfortunate reality I fear as well, the attention will be too much for Maher to ignore.
Should close every door in this fuckhead's face instead of opening them.
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