He has never said that, you wont find any sort of clip showing it.
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Milo Yiannopoulos is Going on Real Time with Bill Maher
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He has never said that, you wont find any sort of clip showing it.
I'd like to say that I went from some other post back to yours and confused some things while I was doing a couple things at once, but who knows.
I do know that I was just wrong here, 100%, and I apologize. I actually agree with your points, so I'll chalk it up to it being early and apologize again. I fucked up.
I was talking about when Milo was a total nobody but whatever, I'm not trying to diminish the bad shit Milo does now.
As long as we're talking about people who've done heinous shit, It's odd to me that people have a problem with Bill Maher giving Milo a platform when he's given Ann Coulter and Piers Morgan platforms. They're worse people and have far bigger audiences.
NYR
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Trump succeeded because no one put him in check and asked him questions to disqualify him as being a competent choice. No one asked him the questions that matter, that is where the media dropped the ball and we are in a situation where he gets up there and says he supports a 1-state solution, because he has no idea what he is talking about or what that means.
CopperPuppy
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I mean, Maher can have who he wants on his show, but I hope the people ITT saying that it's a good idea to have him on because Maher will EVISCERATE and SKEWER him realize that this is the very definition of existing in a bubble.
The thing is, I'll be saying the same thing. But check r/The_Deluded or any other rightwing echo chamber to get the exact opposite response any time Lahren or whoever-the-fuck goes on one of these liberal-leaning news/comedy programs. It's like clockwork. Host has hatred-spewing guest, acts generally civil but then gets in some surprisingly hard-hitting points to general applause and ooh-ing and aah-ing from the studio audience, idiot guest looks flustered, show ends.
Within hours, articles from most major online news and media outlets post slightly differing versions of the same article: "[Host] EVISCERATES/DESTROYS/SHUTS DOWN [moronic fuckwit guest]!"
In the meantime, the opposite sentiment will be found on increasingly trafficked rightwing outlets, shared on Facebook to the approval of other idiots the world over.
The end result is everyone retreats into their bubble a little bit more.
Like I said, Maher can have on whoever he wants. Hopefully he stands up to Milo's usual bile. My guess is that he'll get a few digs in but also find "common ground" on areas like religion and freedom of speech. But expecting a show like this to EXPOSE someone like Milo is likely nonsense. Best case scenario, the differing interpretations will just bounce around everyone's bubble so they can feel nice about how well the champion of their views performed. Worst case scenario, by giving them a chance to sit there and bullshit, by finding the elements of "common ground" they will inevitably find, it normalizes someone whose platform is based on rejection, divide, and hate; whose views carry inherent violence.
I'll be honest, my opinion on what Maher (or anyone else) should do in this scenario evolves everyday. With people like Milo having more mainstream attention than ever, the question of how much visibility they should get, or how much of a platform should they be afforded, even if to mock or disprove them, is becoming a bigger and bigger issue, with valid points on both sides. I mean, surely most ITT agree that refusing to have Conway on major news outlets due to credibility issues is the right step, no? I understand that the situation we have here is different, but the difference may be more of degree than kind.
The thing is, I'll be saying the same thing. But check r/The_Deluded or any other rightwing echo chamber to get the exact opposite response any time Lahren or whoever-the-fuck goes on one of these liberal-leaning news/comedy programs. It's like clockwork. Host has hatred-spewing guest, acts generally civil but then gets in some surprisingly hard-hitting points to general applause and ooh-ing and aah-ing from the studio audience, idiot guest looks flustered, show ends.
Within hours, articles from most major online news and media outlets post slightly differing versions of the same article: "[Host] EVISCERATES/DESTROYS/SHUTS DOWN [moronic fuckwit guest]!"
In the meantime, the opposite sentiment will be found on increasingly trafficked rightwing outlets, shared on Facebook to the approval of other idiots the world over.
The end result is everyone retreats into their bubble a little bit more.
Like I said, Maher can have on whoever he wants. Hopefully he stands up to Milo's usual bile. My guess is that he'll get a few digs in but also find "common ground" on areas like religion and freedom of speech. But expecting a show like this to EXPOSE someone like Milo is likely nonsense. Best case scenario, the differing interpretations will just bounce around everyone's bubble so they can feel nice about how well the champion of their views performed. Worst case scenario, by giving them a chance to sit there and bullshit, by finding the elements of "common ground" they will inevitably find, it normalizes someone whose platform is based on rejection, divide, and hate; whose views carry inherent violence.
I'll be honest, my opinion on what Maher (or anyone else) should do in this scenario evolves everyday. With people like Milo having more mainstream attention than ever, the question of how much visibility they should get, or how much of a platform should they be afforded, even if to mock or disprove them, is becoming a bigger and bigger issue, with valid points on both sides. I mean, surely most ITT agree that refusing to have Conway on major news outlets due to credibility issues is the right step, no? I understand that the situation we have here is different, but the difference may be more of degree than kind.
The Jazz Cabbage Master
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Yeeeeeppppp.
It's a war of ideas, and it ain't won by shoving those you disagree with in a box and tucking them away. Debate them, refine your debates, and improve the conversation.
Jeffolation
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Continue to give alt-right vermin a platform to raise their profiles Bill. I fully expect them to spend a good portion of the night sucking on each others faces over their repudiation of the "intolerant left".
cartographer
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He built his audience from being a nobody not through people that find him heinous, but through things like GamerGate. It was not people complaining about him, it was him actively seeking out and encouraging vile groups like GamerGate.
So he'll make Milo look like a clown, but that may or may not do anything to his profile, but it also won't be positive for him (which to me sounds like it's not good for his profile)? And this will be really effective because there are a lot of people on the fence about Milo, and it'll be Bill Maher who finally gets them to realize how shitty of a person he is.
Okay.
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Jesus Christ. Bill Maher is not "one of our best", on anything, by a fucking long shot.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Maher lost me when I was sitting in a trailer in Baton Rouge during Katrina listening to him spend 15 minutes asking why we should care about a bunch of ignorant swamp people who were too dumb to build a city on solid land. This was before Bush sitting on his hands for 2 days gave him the ammunition he needed for better jokes. I'm still waiting for him to have a show in Sacramento when a levee breaks.
Inferno313
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I find it hard to give a fuck about him being "mostly correct on like 95% of things" when the other 5% is straight-up bigotry.
onadesertedisland
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Milos nazi followers will use this to bolster their views and position as legitimate. He should be ignored by legitimate media and given no air time to spew his filth.
Bruce Springsteen
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He does think he's a shitty person, but that his speech shouldn't be suppressed, violently at that
you clearly have no idea what Bill's views are
No, why debate when you can create a safe zone with puppies and nice music to not think about the bad world outside. People want echo chambers on both sides, facebook has made it possible that you are not exposed to other world views anymore and people are happy with this.
So not talking and ignoring people like Milo is a better solution for them. And if you call him a cunt or something like this you will always find people who agree.
What? Maher has gotten into yelling matches with guests on his show that try to suggest the left is somehow intolerant compared to the right.
It's not though. He's more against religious institutions than religious people.
You'll find that most liberals don't pass whatever standard you're holding him to in one way or another. People give me shit for giving the thumbs up on violence against proponents of hate speech. That's OK. Everybody's got lines.
TTOOLL
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He is the new Hitler. /s
Bobby Roberts
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His ideas are invalid, though.
Not every idea has the same worth as another.
His aren't worthwhile.
So why unfairly elevate them to a level in which someone might be mistaken in believing they have any intrisic value?
What's the point there?
Is it merely symbolic? A way to be demonstratively "fair"
Aren't we then just trading positive action for the empty appearance of such?
BocoDragon
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I hate Milo, but this framing of the discussion is hyperbole.
He's not actually a neo-Nazi. This is an inaccurate label that only serves the idea that the left is hysterical and blind to facts. Milo is an anti-feminist, anti-liberal western culture supremacist. Attack him for what he really is, and you'll have more success in defeating him.
And to be frank, he's already a "media pundit". That ship has sailed, and you'd have to be a a leftist bubble to act like this is the beginning of this. He's been all over British and American media already.
Bill Maher's been giving Ann Coulter a "platform" for twenty years. This is 1:1 that. He'll get booed and jeered by Maher's audience as a heel.
He's not actually a neo-Nazi. This is an inaccurate label that only serves the idea that the left is hysterical and blind to facts. Milo is an anti-feminist, anti-liberal western culture supremacist. Attack him for what he really is, and you'll have more success in defeating him.
And to be frank, he's already a "media pundit". That ship has sailed, and you'd have to be a a leftist bubble to act like this is the beginning of this. He's been all over British and American media already.
Bill Maher's been giving Ann Coulter a "platform" for twenty years. This is 1:1 that. He'll get booed and jeered by Maher's audience as a heel.
Maher is right in that these shitholes need to be questioned and exposed as vile human beings based solely on their beliefs, but giving them that platform also helps to validate those on the extreme right because he and people like him are getting press and are being called out on their bullshit by the "intolerant" left.
What do you mean, 100% fact? It's historical precedent.
We'll wonder how we didn't stop these people in years to come. We fought so hard for their freedom of speech. We said we should listen to people with different opinions. We debated them in the mainstream media. How did they not just give up and go home after that?
Yep. It's not like we have to deal with shitheads like Milo damn near every fucking day or anything. We're totally living in a bubble cause we don't think he should be given more platforms where he can peddle his shit.
onadesertedisland
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There is nothing to debate. Milo's views are disgusting trash and his actions are even worse. It's not as if after his appearance he will see how horrible of a person he is, he will be encouraged by being allowed on an HBO show and his followers will see this as legitimacy.
Ninja Scooter
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Milo and the people who support him don't deal in reason or rationality. Debates with people like him or Tomi Lahren are as worthless as debating with the Westboro Baptist crazies. They are not worthy of a platform.
UltimaPooh
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Except Milo has never once that I can ever recall tried to refine himself or improve the conversation. He is a racist/sexist troll. This Friday showing will be a disaster because it will just be people arguing and Milo will come out looking like the guy who owned everyone on the show according to his base.
Fucking this. Does everyone not know what the Bill Maher Show is? He regularly has alt right lunatics on his show.
Man-is-Obsolete
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Then the panel better be a mix of the type of people his rhetoric opposes. If he wants to say something offensive make him do it to someone's face and immediately be challenged.
Morrigan Stark
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Harassment is not free speech
That's just not true. There were plenty of articles on mainstream media outlets like Washington Post, New York Times, etc. that were scathing on Trump. Not a single newspaper except the KKK's endorsed him, and long-time Republican-supporting newspapers actively supported Clinton over Trump because he was so unqualified. His lack of qualifications were frequently brought up, as was his unpresidential temperament, etc.
Could the media do better? Yes, most certainly. Even today. That they let Kellyanne Conway or Sean Spicer get away with outright evading questions or spout insanity like "alternative facts" (not just mock her after the fact, they should immediately interrupt her and call her out on her BS) is a testament to that. But they are, and were, very critical of Trump, but still constantly gave him airtime.
Milo doesn't need the airtime. He'll do just like Conway et al., he'll spout his vile, intellectually dishonest, bad faith bullshit, maybe get called out a bit on it, but it won't matter one bit.
onadesertedisland
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Coulter is an asshole. Milo is a dangerous demagogue that speaks to neo-nazis and white supremacists.
Fine Ham Abounds
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I don't disagree, but this is the post-Trump world. The genie's out of the bottle, all of this shit is as legitimate as it gets now. The media should have ignored these morons with nothing legitimate to say for the last several years, instead it's been nonstop free advertising and being an alt-right douche is a viable way to make a living. Of course Rupert Murdoch showed that replacing journalistic integrity with pandering propaganda was viable for decades.
Gentleman Jack
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He's not on the panel. He's going to be an interview guest before the panel.
Inferno313
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Comments like "For the last 30 years, it's been one culture that's been blowing shit up over and over again" when suggesting that the authorities were justified in their treatment of Ahmed Mohammed are beyond the pale and go well past criticizing religion, that's full-blown xenophobia and racism.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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Bill Maher is a national treasure, and I support his decision to do this interview.
SoRuffShoNuff
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Ignoring people doesnt cause them to cease to exist. We live in an age where ignoring someone doesnt lessen the impact they have with people prone to their message. What tends to happen when you ignore someone and dont challenge them on their views is that they will streamline their message and profile leaving out their harsher more fringe beliefs, people will find their message, take to it unopposed, become hardened in their stance, and then start to spread said message to others in their group.
These people and their message need to be exposed and have the truth behind their message come to the forefront so when others come into contact with him they either know his true background or there is mainstream media material available that marginalizes them. An expose from the Huffington Post for example is worth a lot less than a mainstream media source.
It's pretty fucking insulting that you're acting like the victims of Milo's rhetoric are somehow living in their own little bubble and aren't facing hateful rhetoric every day. Regardless of how you feel on the matter you could at least empathize a little with people who are sick and tired of these ideas being given a large platform, but that would mean showing empathy to those people at all.
The ideas Coulter has been peddling for decades are definitely dangerous. She is more than "just some asshole".
Ninja Scooter
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Coulter has been preaching the kind of xenophobia and racism that enabled the election of Donald Trump for years. Don't discount how dangerous her rhetoric has been. And for the record, I like Real Time but I have been saying for years that he should stop having Coulter on. Like Milo, she's nothing more than a professional troll interested in being as sensationalist as possible in order to push their agendas onto idiots and sell books. Neither of these miserable cunts are actually interested in debating their views.
OverBlood 3
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What's there to debate?
When Hitler killed himself it was pretty apparent who won the argument.
When Hitler killed himself it was pretty apparent who won the argument.
Agreed. It's harder to spout this shit when you're not yelling it into an echo chamber. Sort of like how Tomi Lahren was notably silent when she was on the show.
QuicheFontaine
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Spot on. So many threads on here have people saying "Don't read the comments!", and I'm like what are the comments going to hurt you or something? Yeesh.
We disagree on what makes him famous then. He got famous through negative reactions. All of the most viewed Milo content is from him going on, first British TV, and saying controversial things. I'd say most people aren't even aware of his association with GG. Basically, what BocoDragon said...
Milo hasn't done one tenth the amount of damage people like Ann Coulter and Piers Morgan have done. Milo's an asshole and the shit he's done shouldn't be forgotten but he's a distraction.
Milo only spews hateful harassment so he can get money from speaking engagements for alt-right groups. He has zero interest in a "debate" or an exchange of ideas.
Even this Maher appearance, is just to push his brand name and market himself, so he can make more money off right wing extremists.
onadesertedisland
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I abhor Coulter, but I do not think she is in any way as dangerous as Milo. I agree that she should also not be given a pulpit, but Milo's actions as far as doxxing and actively encouraging hate and violence towards individuals are worse.
legacyzero
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Define "Harassment".
I mean, I have seen him speak out about Liberals, feminism, Muslims, body shaming, etc. which are shitty in their own regards, but I don't think I've ever seen him harass anybody directly.
But I also don't go out of my way to watch the guy. My point is, if "harassment" is attacking subjects and you disagree, that's simply not harassment. Being a straight up asshole? Sure. But not harassment. If that were the case, I imagine somebody would have already filed suit and taken his ass down.
ElBoxyBrown
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If Bill doesn't destroy him in this "debate" then he fell for his trap. Although knowing Bill's past actions he likes to fall for these traps.
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