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[4 is a cutie]

This is my first time seeing Milo speak

I get why people find him alluring. He's like a saucy gay-best-friend character you'd see in a early 2000's movie, edgy but loosey-goosey enough for you to laugh at his off-color one liners

Problem is life aint a movie, so when he spouts bullshit you can easily see spot the nonsense and label him as sad. Bill over here still sees him like that kooky movie character because he's not the one suffering.

 

[Dehnus]

Milo was smart. Won Maher over by appeasing his ego.

Everybody that truly knew Maher, saw that one coming. The man simply isn't as good as he believes himself to be.

 

[cackhyena]

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet but it bares repeating, those 'stats' Milo was referring to of trans people disproportionately being involved in sex crimes... is as victims, NOT perpetrators. In fact, in the past 35 years, only one case of an alleged trans person attacking someone in a restroom has been reported anywhere in the entire world.

but y'know... *shrugs*

Fuck Milo. Goddamn.

 

[.JayZii]

Yeah, that went less well than I was hoping. He should really address those trans people sex crime figures Milo was willfully misrepresenting. Shit was fucked up.

Milo wasn't saying shit on his 1v1 with Maher. Shit was a waste of time. Dude is a real life troll. I think he just hates himself.

Bingo.

 

[Hagi]

For those who missed it, I'll repeat again: In overtime segment, Maher praises Milo by saying he reminds him of Christopher Hitchens if only he stopped his antagonizing. Giving him career hints on how to become "better". Now I dislike Hitchens and the new atheist movement, but it simply goes to show that Bill Maher does feel that Milo can reach his idol's status. That's how big of a shitshow this is. The over time segment can be watched here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rG49EKEqRdc

Well that was certainly infuriating. Maher replacing his seat for a fence while Milo spews pure uninformed bullshit out of all his orifices was about how I thought it would go. Props to Larry Wilmore.

 

[.JayZii]

I don't even want to look at the comments section. Let me guess:

Milo: "You're guests are stupid."

Wilmore: "Fuck you."

Alt Right: "Why does the Left always have to be so nasty? Milo was so much more mature."

 

[Hagi]

I get the love for freedom of speech in your country but not all views are equal and sitting there listening to him spout shit like it's all a good time, that there's no consequences for the things he says, that it's funny to hear him refer to trans people as weird, he's edgy for purposely using the wrong pronoun to offend is fucking reprehensible. You normalize people like this by giving them a pedestal and sitting on your fucking arse saying nothing.

 

[echoshifting]

Haven't watched the episode...I did watch overtime to see Larry Wilmore tell him to go fuck himself twice, which was immensely satisfying.

Had to turn it off immediately afterward, though, when Bill started comparing Milo to Christopher Hitchens. That was incredibly outrageous and I am not even a fan.

 

[Got]

The only thing that's effectively moderated Conway has been to refuse to invite her on TV.

exactly

 

[hbkdx12]

Serious question here

I've never seen this dude before this but I've heard of his name here and there and how controversial he's suppose to be

Is he basically the male version of Tomi Lahren in that he's a compelling/attractive person that says controversial things and has gotten wildly popular off of it even though he has no merit to what he's saying but now is granted a platform because of drama?

If so why do people insist on bolstering these people by entertaining them on an even bigger platform that allows them to spread their rhetoric? I'm not saying we shouldn't be engaging with people simply because of opposing viewpoints but I really hate that all this does is boost these people's notoriety

I get the love for freedom of speech in your country but not all views are equal and sitting there listening to him spout shit like it's all a good time, that there's no consequences for the things he says, that it's funny to hear him refer to trans people as weird, he's edgy for purposely using the wrong pronoun to offend is fucking reprehensible. You normalize people like this by giving them a pedestal and sitting on your fucking arse saying nothing.

Pretty much this

 

[Hagi]

When are we getting an episode with David Duke? the door is now open so might as well use it. See if Bills testicles shrink up into his stomach then.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

Serious question here

I've never seen this dude before this but I've heard of his name here and there and how controversial he's suppose to be

Is he basically the male version of Tomi Lahren in that he's a compelling/attractive person that says controversial things and has gotten wildly popular off of it even though he has no merit to what he's saying but now is granted a platform because of drama?

I posted this in another thread, but Milo is more like Ryan Goslings character in the Believer. A great film.

It's a story of a boy (Gosling) who grows up to resent his Jewish heritage. He goes to a Jewish school, has a religious family, and in his anger he ends up joining a band of Neo-Nazis who does not know he is a Jew. He starts leading them as they plan to blow up a Synagogue.
It's based on a real life story of a Dan Burros.

Milo is a damaged human being who gets off on hurting and upsetting others. There is logic behind him or his followers spending all this time, money, energy and their own future by going on this crusade. At the core of it they wanted people to stop telling what they couldn't do, and then they were told to shut up, and then they escalated it. It's just hate that preys on people, but it tells you how many peoples lives suck and how many people are sad and lonely. Most people take anti-depressenants and confine them to themselves, but a few individuals take their depression and anger out on others.

 

[JP_]

Now Milo will be speaking at cpac http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...provocateur-milo-yiannopoulos-to-deliver-cpac

 

[Got]

Now Milo will be speaking at cpac http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...provocateur-milo-yiannopoulos-to-deliver-cpac

and that's a perfect forum for him so have at it and there's his free speech blah blah blah

 

[wildfire]

Seeing both clips online and my takeaway is that Milo suffers from some kind of self-hatred. He gets off on people hating him. It's as if he has made himself the epitome of his own loathing. What's deeply disturbing about it is how well he controls the conversation. You can see someone as Maher, who has had some practice in debating nutcases, still being outwyrmed by him.

At the end of the day "making you mad" is still more important than "being right" for Milo. Which isn't how you traditionally debate someone. I can see why he find companionship with Trump. They're the same. Always projecting. Never caring if you're right as long as the other person is perceived as losing.

Almost exactly what I pointed out earlier. Milo is very unpleasant person with even getting into his opinions. The way he interacts and wants to be interacted with is disturbing.

 

[thepotatoman]

Thats real talk. Trump and foot soldiers coopting the term "fake news" is going to have a far reaching, unbelievably corrosive impact on political dialogue for the next decade because facts and truth are being devalued to an extent I havnt seen in my lifetime.

I'd just like to point out that every republican from Trump to Jeb was already using the term "mainstream media" to deflect any criticism. Palin even got "lamestream media" to catch on with some republicans for a while.

This isn't just a Trump thing.

 

[televator]

Bill got totally played with common hate for liberals bait. Whenever he tried to get into something he "dissagreed" on, Milo woild just deflect with how much liberals hate free speech and how he and Bill does not. Bill goes "STOP TAKING THE BAIT, LIBERALS!" with out a single blip on his irony meter. lol

He got easily taken into a mutual jerk off.

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

Not sure if I saw the whole thing, but the clip I saw left me disappointed in Maher. He kept tossing Milo free passes - "we agree on this" - and Milo just used it as an opportunity to rehearse his favourite arguments.

Also "we disagree on this, let's move on," isn't a discussion. If neither side is willing to unpack their arguments and contrast the finer points you don't have a discussion so much as a affirmation of what anybody who'd read about the two of them beforehand would have already known.

Maher should have really taken Milo to task on a lot of the things that have made him such a controversial character. I agree with Maher that discourse with one's fiercest opponents is important, but this wasn't that.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Serious question here

I've never seen this dude before this but I've heard of his name here and there and how controversial he's suppose to be

Is he basically the male version of Tomi Lahren in that he's a compelling/attractive person that says controversial things and has gotten wildly popular off of it even though he has no merit to what he's saying but now is granted a platform because of drama?

If so why do people insist on bolstering these people by entertaining them on an even bigger platform that allows them to spread their rhetoric? I'm not saying we shouldn't be engaging with people simply because of opposing viewpoints but I really hate that all this does is boost these people's notoriety

Pretty much this

Somewhat. Milo is even worse because he actively harasses individuals. He sic'ed his Twitter followers on Leslie Jones after fabricating fake racist (against whites of course) tweets on her behalf and she had to leave Twitter because of the torrent of hate she got (plus she got doxxed and had private photos leaked too), and he purposefully outed a transgender student during a university talk, which led her to quit school.

To my knowlege Tomi Lahren, while a piece of shit herself, never went that far. Milo is a monster, and it's unbelievable that he keeps getting away with doing what he does.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

Remember when people itt said maher would call out milo on his shit so we shouldn't be worried

Lololololooolol

 

[Kai Dracon]

Almost exactly what I pointed out earlier. Milo is very unpleasant person with even getting into his opinions. The way he interacts and wants to be interacted with is disturbing.

I think he can be taken as a case study in the psychology of hardcore internet trolls and stalkers. The same self-loathing, transformed into an obsession with being validated by having other people hate you. To prove you control them, that you run this.

The only difference for Milo is that unlike a majority of basement trolls, he has the lack of fear and the physical acting ability to pull it off face-to-face, in real life.

Which comes back to why "debating him" is so misguided. He is a genuine misanthrope who acts like an emotionally disturbed psychopath. All he will be doing is making people mad and acting like he's won, leering like The Joker.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

If people stopped falling for his obvious bait trolling, which Milo himself is open in saying that is what it all is, he'd be irrelevant tomorrow

The interview will bill just proved it

 

[Angelus Errare]

From a media theory standpoint, I completely disagree; these aren't people that were in the mainstream and didn't prove to have tons of leverage toward the mass public, like Dr. King or someone like Thomas Paine did back in colonial America. Opinion Leaders that really matter in history aren't dime a dozen.

Seeing as white people absolutely lost their shit when Obama slightly mentioned race...it's not shocking you're not familiar with the numerous ones that have come about.

And no that's not a slight at your race, it's a slight at white American media and their reaction to black people speaking out in any capacity.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I'm good with considering Milo as a representative of American conservatives if they are

Lol

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

Okay, so I just caught up with the Overtime section and that was even worse: '[Milo], you remind me of a young, gay Christopher Hitchens."

Honestly, Maher must've lost it. Hitchens may have been a practised provocateur, but that's where the comparisons end. With his anti-vax support and everything else, I'm starting to wonder what planet Maher lives on...

 

[thepotatoman]

If people stopped falling for his obvious bait trolling, which Milo himself is open in saying that is what it all is, he'd be irrelevant tomorrow

The interview will bill just proved it

You might be right, but you can't really blame minorities for reacting to it, who are understandably terrified of his actions and stances catching on.

Much more of the blame goes to the individuals who don't have much at stake when choosing who to give a platform to, which is giving people reason to worry and react.

Okay, so I just caught up with the Overtime section and that was even worse: '[Milo], you remind me of a young, gay Christopher Hitchens."

Honestly, Maher must've lost it. Hitchens may have been a practised provocateur, but that's where the comparisons end. With his anti-vax support and everything else, I'm starting to wonder what planet he lives on...

Planet Smug Superiority.

It's all about finding a way to be superior to every group. Positions like that allow him to feel superior to conservatives, liberals, moderates, christians, athiests, muslims, scientists, environmentalists, and so on.

Look at his position on religion. Christians are dumb for believing in a spaghetti monster, but atheists are dumb for attacking christians so much when the real problem are muslims. It's him finding a way to be above absolutely everybody.

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

Remember when people itt said maher would call out milo on his shit so we shouldn't be worried

Lololololooolol

I lived in hope and I lived to be very wrong...

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Remember when people itt said maher would call out milo on his shit so we shouldn't be worried

Lololololooolol

Remember when people doubled down on their faith in Maher and said he'd apologize and correct himself on the record after being wrong about something?

 

[Wallach]

just caught a clip of this, maher really is a useless cunt

 

[cackhyena]

Remember when people itt said maher would call out milo on his shit so we shouldn't be worried

Lololololooolol

Maher doesn't know how to call out anyone properly unless it's in a New Rule segment. A prepared comedic rant.

 

[Lowmelody]

Remember when people said that in order to defeat homo/transphobia, racism and fascism you have to spread their message to as many people as possible so they can rationally reject it by appealing to their inherently good nature, empathy and common sense?

 

[Angelus Errare]

The only thing that's effectively moderated Conway has been to refuse to invite her on TV.

B-b-but freedum of speesh!

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Remember when people said that in order to defeat homo/transphobia, racism and fascism you have to spread their message to as many people as possible so they can rationally reject it by appealing to their inherently good nature, empathy and common sense?

People are still saying that.

Not in those exact words, but they're still pretending that we must debate these "ideas" in the public square rather than rejecting them outright.

 

[finley83]

Bill's comments in Overtime were a travesty, I have no idea what he's smoking but I think this is the most out of his depth I can remember seeing him in recent years.

I guess he's still hung up on losing his Politically Incorrect job by offending people, so he sees Milo as a kindred spirit for not being allowed to perform at Berkeley? That combined with they way he continually berates his audience for not immediately laughing at some of his shittier jokes suggests he's got a real complex about this stuff.

Either way, Larry Wilmore deserves an HBO show way more than Bill does. Guy fucking stood up for something in a way I wish Bill would do with some of his crazier RW guests.

 

[theCalamity]

https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/833405993006616576?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

 

[RustyNails]

I lived in hope and I lived to be very wrong...

You're brave to admit it though. Others vanished in the wind like mouse fart.

 

[Breads]

https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/833405993006616576?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

I hope this blows up in his face. And to everyone openly defending his views on this.

 

[thepotatoman]

It would be funny if CPAC cancels him while Maher did not.

 

[GAF A60-Rim A]

https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/833405993006616576?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Apparently Milo fanboys (possibly Russian ones) are trying to hack that Twitter account now.

https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/833435168442609664

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

It would be funny if CPAC cancels him while Maher did not.

That would start a whole new round of self/proclaimed liberals lamenting the repression of free speech-_-

If anything I'd imagine both parties are more elated about this event since there will no challenges to his nonsense from the organizers themselves

 

[Mariolee]

https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/833405993006616576?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Is this the hill he dies on?

 

[Opticability]

Apparently Milo fanboys (possibly Russian ones) are trying to hack that Twitter account now.

https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/833435168442609664

Honest question: How are the Russians always on top of things so quick? They got their eyes on everything.

 

[Breads]

That would start a whole new round of self/proclaimed liberals lamenting the repression of free speech-_-

If anything I'd imagine both parties are more elated about this event since there will no challenges to his nonsense from the organizers themselves

If they don't though it will be endless ammunition to gull the christians and conservatives who want to protect their kids from people like him.

 

[docbon]

https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/833405993006616576?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

🤔

 

[Stinkles]

Apparently Milo fanboys (possibly Russian ones) are trying to hack that Twitter account now.

https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/833435168442609664

Thing is if they read that thread them they know he really did say that


So they're not so much defending milo as they are what he espoused...

Is this one of those things they justify with "just Lulz?"

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

If they don't though it will be endless ammunition to gull the christians and conservatives who want to protect their kids from people like him.

Nah, his transphobia makes him more than ok with conservatives.

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

You're brave to admit it though. Others vanished in the wind like mouse fart.

Well, if you don't acknowledge when you're wrong about something, how can you ever hope to be right?

 

[Biske]

https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/833405993006616576?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

I assume all the gamergate, redditor folks constantly harrasing women online accusing them of being pedo's are all up in Milo's grill right now for this right?


Probably not, lets be real.



4 years of wall to wall hypocrisy folks

 

[Got]

damn.

 

[disco]

Milo is a clown. As a British person, Americans need to stop employing the worst British journalists (Piers, Milo, Louise Mensch). As a gay man, I find Milo totally embarrassing. His appearance and use of symbolic flippancy (gay! Jew! black boyfriend hello!!) shows how little he actually lives that life on a deeper level. He is performative and living on the surface. He wants fame to fill a deeper void. In my eyes he made a complete fool of himself, these shows have no real space to give real attention to the matters at hand. They're all scrambling over false facts, exaggerations and hyperbole for the most laughs.

*his accent is accentuated too. It personally doesn't quite sound right to me.