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[JeTmAn81]

I rabidly dislike Milo but I applaud Bill Maher for having him on.

We don't make these idiots go away by giving them the oxygen and notoriety they crave by blacklisting them.

Maher is totally right, us Liberals need to harden the fuck up and stop getting so fucking triggered by everything. You don't win friends with salad.

I thought Maher disarmed Milo brilliantly and exposed him for what he is... a silly troll. A reasonably articulate silly troll, but a silly troll nonetheless. He has supporters on the Alt-Right because they aren't used to hearing their ideology spouted by someone with a modicum of charima and the ability to string a sentence together. That's their problem, but the left allowing themselves to take what he says seriously is what gives his words a degree of agency they don't deserve and expands his platform.

The correct response to Milo is...

... and nothing more.

More like this

 

[Grug]

Maher took Milo seriously enough to have him on the show, let Milo's blatant dishonesty slide on multiple occasions, agreed with some of Milo's bigotry, and threw Milo balls so soft he practically used his own fucking testicles.

How did that not give Milo exactly what you described?

I'm talking about the issue of having him on vs blacklisting. The interview itself wasn't superb. The only thing I referenced from it was Maher's comments about liberals taking him too seriously. My interpretation of Bill's perspective was ""this is the guy Liberal America is getting in a lather about? He's a clown".

 

[Obliterator]

Dealing with Milo is complicated. On one hand blocking him out and ignoring him is dangerous (he had a massive surge in popularity after Twitter banned him) but at the same time normalizing him is also dangerous.

The best bet is to sit down and have a hard debate with him. Which, not to repeat myself, but again is pretty damn dangerous unless you are hella prepared. Because when he doesn't want to be a troll Milo can be incredibly well spoken, and a great debater.

Really he's just a kinda tough dude to deal with. Even the way he handled the "Fuck You's" from the panel was pretty good. He didn't get offended and whine about it, and laughed. He just rolled with it, which again normalizes him even more.

Milo is a bit of a tough dude to deal with honestly.

 

[ChouGoku]

how many Nazi friends have you made so far? just curious. what do you feed them to get them to like you, instead of the salad? pizza?

I don't get how the poster likes nazis when they just said they are "Easily frightened, manipulated, anachronistic and seemingly wilfully ignorant stooges who don't realise how hard they are getting played by the powerbrokers and puppetmasters of the party they support" Yet they are a sympathizer who wants nazi acceptance.

 

[Got]

I'm talking about the issue of having him on vs blacklisting. The interview itself wasn't superb. The only thing I referenced from it was Maher's comments about liberals taking him too seriously. My interpretation of Bill's perspective was ""this is the guy Liberal America is getting in a lather about? He's a clown".

lol

I don't get how the poster likes nazis when they just said they are "Easily frightened, manipulated, anachronistic and seemingly wilfully ignorant stooges who don't realise how hard they are getting played by the powerbrokers and puppetmasters of the party they support" Yet they are a sympathizer who wants nazi acceptance.

he said that we don't win friends with salad. the supposition is that we are supposed to make nice with Nazi's and befriend them, I guess in some misguided way he thinks normalizing them and having an open discussion with them is okay. it isn't. it won't ever be. simple enough really.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

I love how people continue to keep pretending that Milo is nothing more than a troll and that his antics don't have consequences.

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/trans-student-harassed-by-milo-yiannopoulos-speaks-out

Would you like to tell this woman that it was "just trolling"? Maybe if she just rolls her eyes and says "oh you!" He'll go away.

 

[Grug]

how many Nazi friends have you made so far? just curious. what do you feed them to get them to like you, instead of the salad? pizza?

Dude, instead of beating your chest and posting trite little one liners, maybe do a quick search of my posting history here and see where I stand politically. Then maybe just consider for maybe half a second whether you may have read something into what I first said in this thread (through my fault or yours) that wasn't there?

Or you can just keep doubling-down again and again with revolting Nazi quips.

 

[Got]

Dude, instead of beating your chest and posting trite little one liners, maybe do a quick search of my posting history here and see where I stand politically. Then maybe just consider for maybe half a second whether you may have read something into what I first said in this thread (through my fault or yours) that wasn't there?

Or you can just keep doubling-down again and again with revolting Nazi quips.

so it's pizza then?

I love how people continue to keep pretending that Milo is nothing more than a troll and that his antics don't have consequences.

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/trans-student-harassed-by-milo-yiannopoulos-speaks-out

Would you like to tell this woman that it was "just trolling"? Maybe if she just rolls her eyes and says "oh you!" He'll go away.

she should've just sat down with him to make friends. maybe bring pizza. definitely not salad

 

[excelsiorlef]

Dealing with Milo is complicated. On one hand blocking him out and ignoring him is dangerous (he had a massive surge in popularity after Twitter banned him) but at the same time normalizing him is also dangerous.

The best bet is to sit down and have a hard debate with him. Which, not to repeat myself, but again is pretty damn dangerous unless you are hella prepared. Because when he doesn't want to be a troll Milo can be incredibly well spoken, and a great debater.

Really he's just a kinda tough dude to deal with. Even the way he handled the "Fuck You's" from the panel was pretty good. He didn't get offended and whine about it, and laughed. He just rolled with it, which again normalizes him even more.

Milo is a bit of a tough dude to deal with honestly.

He's basically just sentient hate... like there's literally nothing of value at all, he just exists to spread hate.... and that's hard as fuck to fight because he literally has no skin in any game because what does he care? He's got money and another chance to say hateful shit... he's not really trying to win allies or convince anyone of anything he just wants to bring more hatred into the world...

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

I'm talking about the issue of having him on vs blacklisting. The interview itself wasn't superb. The only thing I referenced from it was Maher's comments about liberals taking him too seriously. My interpretation of Bill's perspective was ""this is the guy Liberal America is getting in a lather about? He's a clown".

Are we talking about the same Maher that got offended that Milo was talking shit to Lena Dunham?

 

[Chie Satonaka]

so it's pizza then?



she should've just sat down with him to make friends. maybe bring pizza. definitely not salad

I agree. She and Leslie Jones should have both came together and thrown him a party.

 

[Got]

I agree. She and Leslie Jones should have both came together and thrown him a party.

it would've been the most fun and maybe they could learn something from each other.

 

[royalan]

I disagree. Like i said, the guy is a self-promoting clown. He will eventually tie his own noose, that will be the consequence.

Kellyanne Conway is a walking joke now. Giving her airtime didn't "normalise" her, it just exposed her for the charlatan with shallow playbook that she is.

Liberals need to stop cowering in the corner and safe spaces and (non-violently) but aggressively call conservatives and the alt-right out for what they are. Easily frightened, manipulated, anachronistic and seemingly wilfully ignorant stooges who don't realise how hard they are getting played by the powerbrokers and puppetmasters of the party they support.

It's a contest of ideas, let them put their spokespeople forward, and we put ours forward. I think our ideas are better, don't you?

In case I haven't made myself clear enough (I have been misrepresented enough already) I'll defer to Bruno Gianelli who said it way better 15+ years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCSMyFWTjRc

Ummm...Kellyanne Conway is only a joke to the left. She has a HUGE following otherwise. That's why Trump likes her so much.

And this following only gets bolstered by a smug left that keeps inviting her onto their platforms.

Be aware of your bubbles, people.

 

[Obliterator]

He's basically just sentient hate... like there's literally nothing of value at all, he just exists to spread hate.... and that's hard as fuck to fight because he literally has no skin in any game because what does he care? He's got money and another chance to say hateful shit... he's not really trying to win allies or convince anyone of anything he just wants to bring more hatred into the world...

I don't disagree. The problem is Milo has insane Charisma / Charm. (Yes people that even have horrible beliefs can be incredibly charming)

There's a famous story about a reporter who was opposed to Hitler, who during his rise to power went to Germany and watched one of his speeches. She found herself doing the Hitler salute at the end of the speech and found herself walking away form it shocked and confused why it had happened.

A powerful speaker is a very dangerous thing. And Milo very much can be that when he wants to. Honestly one of the best examples of this was when he was on Joe Rogans podcast. ( and frankly the opening segment here, he had Bill totally enamored imo)

 

[Grug]

lol



he said that we don't win friends with salad. the supposition is that we are supposed to make nice with Nazi's and befriend them, I guess in some misguided way he thinks normalizing them and having an open discussion with them is okay. it isn't. it won't ever be. simple enough really.

I I just realised the source of your misinterpretation. My "you don't win friends with salad" reference was suggsting Liberals aren't going to win votes again by being weak and half-hearted. It wasnt saying "lets be friends with Milo". We need to fight back by offering meat, not wimpy lettuce leaves.

Has this protracted back and forth and Nazi insults really been about that one miscommunication of a Simpsons reference? I don't want to apportion blame as internet communication is a tricky thing, but surely the rest of my post provided some guiding context.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I don't disagree. The problem is Milo has insane Charisma / Charm. (Yes people that even have horrible beliefs can be incredibly charming)

There's a famous story about a reporter who was opposed to Hitler, who during his rise to power went to Germany and watched one of his speeches. She found herself doing the Hitler salute at the end of the speech and found herself walking away form it shocked and confused why it had happened.

A powerful speaker is a very dangerous thing. And Milo very much can be that when he wants to. Honestly one of the best examples of this was when he was on Joe Rogans podcast.

Sorry I meant this as an agreement with you. That he's hard to fight and hard to debate.

That said I'm not convinced a debate is the answer.

But yeah watching him you totally get how people who aren't listening to his words, or don't care about what he's saying can get sucked in.

 

[Grug]

Ummm...Kellyanne Conway is only a joke to the left. She has a HUGE following otherwise. That's why Trump likes her so much.

And this following only gets bolstered by a smug left that keeps inviting her onto their platforms.

I disagree. If we look past a boolean left/right view, I am certain Conway's public buffoonery has been damaging to their appeal to the moderates of the Trump base. That can decide elections.

Anyway, my footy team just started a game. Hopefully Got has calmed down and retraced his steps when I come back, and then we might realise we are much more on the same page than he thinks.

 

[royalan]

I disagree. If we look past a boolean left/right view, I am certain Conway's public buffoonery has been damaging to their appeal to the moderates of the Trump base. That can decide elections.

What's different about Kellyanne's schtick now vs the 6 months before the election she represented Trump? Not a damn thing.

She's always been a liar to the left. She's always been a joke to the left.

But she was instrumental in consolidating Trump's support.

You don't overcome these people by laughing them off.

 

[Obliterator]

Sorry I meant this as an agreement with you. That he's hard to fight and hard to debate.

That said I'm not convinced a debate is the answer.

But yeah watching him you totally get how people who aren't listening to his words, or don't care about what he's saying can get sucked in.

By no means, you don't have to apologize to me at all. I was just reading / responding to your comments. I'm pretty much in agreement with you.

It's why having discourse with Milo is dangerous. He can be hugely disarming, despite the crazy shit he says.

People that want to tackle him head on, need to come in totally prepared.

 

[Got]

I I just realised the source of your misinterpretation. My "you don't win friends with salad" reference was sugegstingg Liberals aren't going to win votes again by being weak and half-hearted. We need to fight back by offering meat, not wimpy lettuce leaves.

Has this protracted back and forth and Nazi insults really been about that one miscommunication of a Simpsons reference? I don't want to apportion blame as internet communication is a tricky thing, but surely the rest of my post provided some guiding context.

regardless of what you meant, you opt for the normalizing of Nazi propaganda and allude to us needing to make friends with bigots (winning a bigots vote is the least of my concern right now, and yes if they voted for Trump they are either bigots or okay with bigotry).

as far as being weak, your appeasement is the ultimate weakness, in my opinion

and really, your whole tone is of-putting, especially the way you dismiss valid concerns from people who may be directly negatively affected by Milo's brand of bigotry. it's kind of gross.

 

[Angelus Errare]

I wonder how many of you "gotta give him a platform cause all opinions should be heard because freedum of speech!" types would have that same stance if a member of ISIS wanted to come on television and talk about sterilizing and killing white people.

Some how I highly doubt this whole fence sitting shit would even be in contention.

Ask yourself why you're okay with one but not the other.

 

[Got]

I wonder how many of you "gotta give him a platform cause all opinions should be heard because freedum of speech!" types would have that same stance if a member of ISIS wanted to come on television and talk about sterilizing and killing white people.

Some how I highly doubt this whole fence sitting shit would even be in contention.

 

[RustyNails]

How he talks and the delivery of the word is what he was referring to, I thought that was obvious... He said at the end of that comparison that you have to stop saying shit like that.

He didn't say, "Wow, you're the next Christopher Hitchens, go you!" He was saying Milo could be like him if he'd stop being a fucking asshole.

In other words, Bill Maher said Milo reminded him of Christopher Hitchens.

 

[Alienfan]

"I never hire gay people, can't trust them to show up to work on time" *crowd laughs*, "but they're not as bad as women" *crowd gasps*. It's funny when the joke isn't about you.

EDIT:
Watched all of it, so disappointed in Maher

 

[Obliterator]

We need to stop pretending Bill wasn't totally enamored with Milo, he was.

I don't think we should crucify Bill over it, he's just a normal person like any of the rest of us. The problem was he wasn't at all prepared with how to deal with him and basically got ran over.

 

[Alucrid]

We need to stop pretending Bill wasn't totally enamored with Milo, he was.

I don't think we should crucify Bill over it, he's just a normal person like any of the rest of us. The problem was he wasn't at all prepared with how to deal with him and basically got ran over.

yeah quite the fucking doormat. he has little sympathy from me

 

[BrutishMrFish]

I I just realised the source of your misinterpretation. My "you don't win friends with salad" reference was sugegstingg Liberals aren't going to win votes again by being weak and half-hearted. We need to fight back by offering meat, not wimpy lettuce leaves.

Maher made concessions to a bigot. The people who are actively trying to stop the spread of a bigoted ideology that goes against everything American liberalism is supposed to stand for aren't the weak ones, Maher is. Being all wishy-washy and selectively saying, "Oh, well, everyone's opinions should be heard" doesn't qualify as fighting.

The Democrats didn't get their well-earned reputation for spinelessness by refusing to talk to Republicans, they got it by being overly-willing to abandon their principles for the sake of appearances.

 

[tearsintherain]

I wonder how many of you "gotta give him a platform cause all opinions should be heard because freedum of speech!" types would have that same stance if a member of ISIS wanted to come on television and talk about sterilizing and killing white people.

Some how I highly doubt this whole fence sitting shit would even be in contention.

Ask yourself why you're okay with one but not the other.

So where did Milo go out and talk about sterilizing and killing anyone? Because yes, if someone goes on TV or a university and says group or person X should be murdered that is considered advocating violence and under the Brandenburg test that person would be convicted of federal and state crimes and sent to jail.

Lots of people here keep saying Milo is a nazi but the very first video I find on youtube when I search for "milo white nationalist" is him in fact saying white pride / nationalism is NOT a good idea, but fight liberalism with ideas and values and not care about someone's skin color, gender, or sexuality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywmd8kR-AmI

 

[Got]

From Jezebel in case anyone gets triggered by Gawker.

an excerpt:

But the interview ended up revealing more about Maher, who passed the time agreeing with much of what the 32-year-old alt-right poster boy and avid Trump supporter had to say. At one point, Milo asserted, “All I care about is free speech and free expression. I want people to be able to be, say, and do anything. These days...that’s a conservative issue.” Maher completely let him get away with it and even affirmed him. After the initial interview, Yianopoulos joined the night’s other guests on a panel, where he suggested that transgender people “have a psychiatric disorder.” In the one-on-one interview, Maher referred to people who were concerned about Yianopoulos’ appearance on his show as “schoolgirls.” And there is so much more where that came from.

Bill Maher Is a Monster

 

[gogosox82]

I'm getting ready to watch this but going by responses in this thread, I'm going to be massively disappointed in Maher again aren't I?

 

[Got]

I'm getting ready to watch this but going by responses in this thread, I'm going to be massively disappointed in Maher again aren't I?

depends.

 

[ChouGoku]

God even the Overtime is full of u mad libs, you're all so stupid, I was just kidding!!! God damn come on.

 

[BrutishMrFish]

Lots of people here keep saying Milo is a nazi but the very first video I find on youtube when I search for "milo white nationalist" is him in fact saying white pride / nationalism is NOT a good idea, but fight liberalism with ideas and values and not care about someone's skin color, gender, or sexuality.

You've read this thread, seen the panel/interview, know what site he works for, and you take him at his word when he says something like that?

Why?

 

[Got]

You've read this thread, seen the panel/interview, know what site he works for, and you take him at his word when he says something like that?

Why?

fit's his narrative better

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

So where did Milo go out and talk about sterilizing and killing anyone? Because yes, if someone goes on TV or a university and says group or person X should be murdered that is considered advocating violence and under the Brandenburg test that person would be convicted of federal and state crimes and sent to jail.

Lots of people here keep saying Milo is a nazi but the very first video I find on youtube when I search for "milo white nationalist" is him in fact saying white pride / nationalism is NOT a good idea, but fight liberalism with ideas and values and not care about someone's skin color, gender, or sexuality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywmd8kR-AmI

Oh that's totally ok then

We should forget all about the Breitbart sponsored smear job on Shaun King, the harassment of Leslie Jones, and the blatant transphobia then

You've read this thread, seen the panel/interview, know what site he works for, and you take him at his word when he says something like that?

Why?

Trump supporter

 

[Breads]

Steve Bannon is just a christian film producer and wow gold farmer.

:edit: FUCK I forgot I was in this garbage fire of a thread.

 

[Got]

Trump supporter

thereitis.gif

it'll be amazing to see Trump supporters wiggle and squirm as their president sinks. hopefully he doesn't bring us all down with him but at least if he does, I'll know they suffer too.

 

[The Kree]

You've read this thread, seen the panel/interview, know what site he works for, and you take him at his word when he says something like that?

Why?

Why would a gay Jewish white man who loves black dick tell a lie?!

 

[Angelus Errare]

So where did Milo go out and talk about sterilizing and killing anyone? Because yes, if someone goes on TV or a university and says group or person X should be murdered that is considered advocating violence and under the Brandenburg test that person would be convicted of federal and state crimes and sent to jail.

Lots of people here keep saying Milo is a nazi but the very first video I find on youtube when I search for "milo white nationalist" is him in fact saying white pride / nationalism is NOT a good idea, but fight liberalism with ideas and values and not care about someone's skin color, gender, or sexuality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywmd8kR-AmI

Milo has advocated violence against transsexuals on more than one occasion, Richard whatever the fuck his face name has suggesting sterilizing non whites but hey they have one video saying something almost human so that totes negates the years of horrible shit they said, and totes negates his Maher appearance.

On fucking Maher he stokes transexual fear and hate by spouting complete bullshit. There is no different because the end result is the damn same, violence and persecution against minority groups.

Like it's unarguable, we have American history and it's treatment of African Americans as evidence.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Funny thing is that the people who want free speech to oppress others can't handle being on the receiving end. They're just fortunate that decent people don't have the time, energy, or will to make oppression their modus operandi, just as they do.

 

[Carcetti]

From Jezebel in case anyone gets triggered by Gawker.

an excerpt:



Bill Maher Is a Monster

Gee, who could have guessed that a rich white man who claims to be some sort of a liberal mouthpiece actually throws vulnerable minorities under the bus the second he feels a change in the wind. /s

Maher's islam views were a pretty good hint, though.

 

[IrishNinja]

at the risk of brown-nosing: so many of the people who needed it took vacations in this thread, and a few hopefully won't be back soon. just wanted to give the mods dap on that.

From Jezebel in case anyone gets triggered by Gawker.

an excerpt:

Bill Maher Is a Monster

if some of y'all still ride for maher after this mess, i don't really know what to say. enjoy sophistry & arguments to moderation, because you don't stand for anything else.

 

[Jombie]

He'll shrug all of this off and probably blab about liberals being pussies or something. One of the biggest issues I've had with Maher is that he never admits when he's wrong and he was disastrously wrong in this instance.

 

[Don'tBeWeird]

Woah, please don't post so much information, you overwhelmed me with your facts and stance.

Yawn.

This isn't the first time we've seen Maher be a dickhead. The Ben Affleck thread alone has over 30 pages.

 

[Yeoman]

It looks like we're going with the "Guys if we confront their ideas publicly we can dismantle their views and prove how wrong they are!".
Meanwhile Milo makes an appearance on Maher's show where he isn't challenged once, and a large portion of GAF suddenly believe he's just some sort of jokester/master troll simply having a laugh and being outrageous.

Once again, this whole engage with them publicly spiel doesn't work. It literally never has, it only normalises their views and increases their popularity.

 

[Discotheque]

his lame ass friend Sam Harris still bitches and moans about Ben Affleck too after that episode a while back haha.

Man fuck maher. I was hoping he would at least attempt to debate milo like he does to literally every other ultra conservative troll, but somehow we saw the makings of a long lasting friendship on camera. What a garbage ass segment. And the gall of this dude to promise that he would confront him on his show too.

i do find his show enjoyable though but man when you get somebody who's staunchly anti religion and all about "the cucks get triggered at my jokes, lol", maher just starts with the fluffing. I don't know why I expected any different.

I gotta say though this Milo guy is very good at his job. My blood boiled as I heard him talk. I now can relate to the word "triggered". glad Wilmore and the other were able to talk back though, Maher just lied down tonight.

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

It looks like we're going with the "Guys if we confront their ideas publicly we can dismantle their views and prove how wrong they are!".
Meanwhile Milo makes an appearance on Maher's show where he isn't challenged once, and a large portion of GAF suddenly believe he's just some sort of jokester/master troll simply having a laugh and being outrageous.

Once again, this whole engage with them publicly spiel doesn't work. It literally never has, it only normalises their views and increases their popularity.

This, we need to stop trying to "debate" with the far right, it doesn't do anything except normalize them. The left hates to admit it, because we've fallen into the trap that the right set up about liberals needing to be non-violence and "tolerant", but the only tactic that works is to silence them; not ignore them, not hide them, not debate them in a pseudo intellectual debate, but to silence them from ever speaking their inhuman and downright evil views in public, whether it's through rejecting them a platform, forming hate speech laws, or speaking over them until their voices can't be heard, it's the only way to counter act them.

But please continue people with the whole, "we need to expose how stupid these people are to the world and engage them" garbage, it hasn't worked yet but I'm sure it will eventually. When you put these black and white issues, like the humanity of trans people, into a debate, you are only legitimizing the idea that trans people may not be human and therefore don't deserve equal protection of the law and basic human rights. Somethings are not debatable, such as if genocide is okay, are blacks inferior, or are Jews human. Some issues are black and white, therefore they cannot be debated.

 

[17 Seconds]

maher has always been a piece of shit

 

[Liberty4all]

Milo is going to be a guest speaker at CPAC2017 (Conservative Political Action Conference) too in a few days (Feb 22 - 25). So I think it's fair to say conservatives feel he's mainstream now, given the purpose of the conference quoted below.

http://cpac.conservative.org/speakers/


Milo, Bannon, Farage, Pence, Dobson, Hannity, Cruz, Walker, Sherriff Clarke, Santorum, Priebus - all going to be there as speakers.

Trumps not on the list but I'll be shocked if he doesn't show up with a list like that.

About

ACU founded and hosts the annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), the birthplace of modern conservatism. CPAC combines ideas with action to leverage the strength of thousands of grass-roots activists to break through the resistance of Washington’s powerful elites.

The four-day conference begins with Activism Boot Camp, an unparalleled initiative that brings together the finest conservative organizations involved in activism training and campaign management. The remaining three days of the conference unite the political leaders of the conservative movement with the people who make up the movement. As President Ronald Reagan said in 1985, “CPAC is the opportunity to dance with the one who brung ya.”

The powerful combination of knowledge and activism is critical for the advancement of conservatism. Under its new leadership team, ACU has launched CPAC 365, a nationwide effort to do the work of CPAC year round. This initiative will ensure the growth and continued success of the grassroots conservative movement by keeping it educated, equipped and motivated for principled and effective action.

 

[Jombie]

But please continue people with the whole, "we need to expose how stupid these people are to the world and engage them" garbage, it hasn't worked yet but I'm sure it will eventually

It's simply not possible to expose someone like Milo in a segment like that, especially when they're able to just run their mouths with little retort. There were probably a ton of people that watched it ready to hate him but come away intrigued. I've said it ad nauseum, but people like him lull you into their bullshit by having what seems to be a harmless schtick. You become accustomed to it and write off their more abhorrent ideologies because 'oh, it's a show.'