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[CzarTim]

I don't think my contributions have been low. I think I was almost certainly at least halfway up the player list in terms of contribution, above Haly, Lone_Prodigy, Ourobolus, squidyj, Timeaisis, and Kyanrute.

"Why are you so defensive?" I'm exactly as defensive as I ought to be, but you're not paying attention now, because you should know the answer to this if you've read my posts.

You are being defensive in the sense that you are hyper focusing on my claim of your low contribution when I didn't even vote you for it.

 

[Kawl_USC]

The logical conclusion to this is that scum would just stop contributing altogether, because then we'd never get any useful information if they had flipped Town.

...fuck, that's the current GAF meta. 😱

You created this bed, now you lay in it.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

You are being defensive in the sense that you are hyper focusing on my claim of your low contribution when I didn't even vote you for it.

It was one thing I listed when discussing four other players also, and wasn't even the main focus of that post.

I think Ourobolus is coasting terribly. He's managed to sneak into being one of the top posters, while causing almost nothing. It's actively difficult for me to find things to say about, or say something about his interactions with other players, because he doesn't have any. He pushed incredibly softly on Kawl and Haly, without explanation.

When neither attempt was successful, he moved on to Time. His reasoning was terrible: he felt that LP was scum, and Time was too keen to vote LP, therefore Time was bussing scum. The probability of correctly hitting non-town on the first day is low, the chance of hitting two non-town is even lower - you just can't produce meaningful scum relationships at this point.

But, even if this was a meaningful reason, then Time could be scum because, according to Ouro, LP is scum - so LP must logically be more likely to be scum than Time. But Ouro didn't vote for LP. Why? I'd suggest because there was a wagon building on LP, and Ouro was overly keen to avoid the wagon in order to avoid the overzealous sort of town that bothers policing midday D1 wagons.

Haly, why were you discussing kills? Do you want to discuss anyone that isn't me? If not, why? If that is the case, why was it necessary to wait for my post?

squidydiddydo, where are you?
we got some work to do now
squiddydiddydo, where are you?
we need some help from you now

Kyan, in post 184 you liked Tim's reasoning. In post 342, you said he'd be one of your favourite people to vote for. What changed in the meantime? Why did you not set this out in your read list, something that should have been one of the most important details? Given you missed details in order to produce such a scattergun approach, do you still stand by it being useful?

CzarTim, why did you think my contributions were relatively low? Why have you not been equally fussed, or more so, about, say, Haly?

You don't read posts awfully carefully, do you?

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

Lone_Prodigy (2)
CzarTim #169 #442
Haly #202
Crab #222 #423
batsnacks #260 #343
Kawl_USC #323 #347
melonrabbit #409

Crab (2)
melonrabbit #137 #237
Kawl_USC #373
batsnacks #375 #441
CzarTim #442

Kyanrute (1)
squidyj #259

squidyj (1)
Haly #58 #115
CCS #413

Gorlak (1)
Ourobolus #60 #215
batsnacks #63 #260
Kawl_USC #175 #323
Timeaisis #200

Timeaisis (1)
Ourobolus #215
CCS #310 #379

Ourobolus (1)
Lone_Prodigy #69 #165
CzarTim #106 #169
Haly #115 #202
Crab #423

batsnacks (1)
Gorlak #57
Timeaisis #82 #200

melonrabbit (1)
Kawl_USC #132 #175
Lone_Prodigy #395

CCS (0): Kawl_USC #90 #132

CzarTim (0): Kawl_USC #347 #373

Kawl_USC (0): melonrabbit #109 #137

No active vote for Day 1: batsnacks (has previously voted), Kyanrute


Day 1 ends:

Automated vote tally here

 

[CzarTim]

I'm on mobile for the rest of the day and might not answer right away

 

[Kawl_USC]

I'm on mobile for the rest of the day and might not answer right away

You're on a train, aren't you?

 

[Ourobolus]

is this really a good defense

It's not a defense. I'm genuinely asking.

 

[Gorlak]

Kawl what's on your mind atm? Despite your activity, I have a problem to understand what your thinking. You conversed a bit with Czar and later voted Crab. Maybe I've missed your explanation for the latter action, can you explain or link me to it?

 

[melonrabbit]

You're on a train, aren't you?

Maybe he'll get some hot gaming leaks.

 

[CCS]

My votes not moving, I'm policy lynching this one.

 

[CzarTim]

You're on a train, aren't you?

Level 7 train.

 

[melonrabbit]

My votes not moving, I'm policy lynching this one.

Too late to uanimously lynch CCS?

 

[CCS]

Too late to uanimously lynch CCS?

That would be a funny way to die to be fair

 

[Ourobolus]

I think Ourobolus is coasting terribly. He's managed to sneak into being one of the top posters, while causing almost nothing. It's actively difficult for me to find things to say about, or say something about his interactions with other players, because he doesn't have any. He pushed incredibly softly on Kawl and Haly, without explanation.

When neither attempt was successful, he moved on to Time. His reasoning was terrible: he felt that LP was scum, and Time was too keen to vote LP, therefore Time was bussing scum. The probability of correctly hitting non-town on the first day is low, the chance of hitting two non-town is even lower - you just can't produce meaningful scum relationships at this point.

But, even if this was a meaningful reason, then Time could be scum because, according to Ouro, LP is scum - so LP must logically be more likely to be scum than Time. But Ouro didn't vote for LP. Why? I'd suggest because there was a wagon building on LP, and Ouro was overly keen to avoid the wagon in order to avoid the overzealous sort of town that bothers policing midday D1 wagons.

I'll address this.

Scum!Time plays pretty cautiously. I doubt he would immediately jump on LP for his vote. He would however provide, in my mind, some lackluster concern over the vote, and then ignore it.

In my mess of a brain, it seems like something that would be a decent W/W move, or even just a way for Scum!Time to get a point in and then get off of Town!LP without rocking the boat much.

Anyway, I could be totally off base but that was what stuck out the most yesterday.

 

[Kawl_USC]

Kawl what's on your mind atm? Despite your activity, I have a problem to understand what your thinking. You conversed a bit with Czar and later voted Crab. Maybe I've missed your explanation for the latter action, can you explain or link me to it?

I thought the interactions between crab and tim seemed stilted and not genuine. I voted tim and had a dialogue with him since he was around. His responses to me made me feel better about him and so I became more likely that the odd interaction and unease in the timXcrab postings was coming from crabs side. He has since surfaced, and is creating good discussion and putting forth good points, but that's exactly what I expect from crab regardless of alignment. With a player of his caliber I feel you have to latch on to and keep in mind any thing that feels off, rather than buying into what feels right.

 

[Timeaisis]

So you didn't want to address my vote until someone else brought that up? Ok.

Also I'll totally vote for LP if that's what we want to do.

I didn't see what there was to address. You think me and LP have some weird scum buddy busing relationship, and you can think what you wish. Don't know how to respond to that other than I never voted for LP. And the weird thing is, neither have you.

 

[Kawl_USC]

Faking town can be done quite easily by most good players especially if there comes any prompting via comments about what seems off for them. So picking out possible scum slips is the stronger way of hunting scum imo. Basically looking for evidence of scum behaviors, and a surplus of town like behavior doesn't offset those.

This inherently makes me more likely to scum read active players, which certainly would bite me in the ass with gafia at large. But at least in this game I feel is a valid approach.

 

[Timeaisis]

I'll address this.

Scum!Time plays pretty cautiously. I doubt he would immediately jump on LP for his vote. He would however provide, in my mind, some lackluster concern over the vote, and then ignore it.

In my mess of a brain, it seems like something that would be a decent W/W move, or even just a way for Scum!Time to get a point in and then get off of Town!LP without rocking the boat much.

Anyway, I could be totally off base but that was what stuck out the most yesterday.

Wait wait wait I thought you thought we were both scum and I was busing. I'm confused.

 

[Kawl_USC]

I didn't see what there was to address. You think me and LP have some weird scum buddy busing relationship, and you can think what you wish. Don't know how to respond to that other than I never voted for LP. And the weird thing is, neither have you.

He's clarified the point that he could see you both bussing and just distancing himself from a mislynch. Your logic about it being off that he voted you over LP happens to leave that out in the three or so posts you've made about it.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

I thought the interactions between crab and tim seemed stilted and not genuine. I voted tim and had a dialogue with him since he was around. His responses to me made me feel better about him and so I became more likely that the odd interaction and unease in the timXcrab postings was coming from crabs side. He has since surfaced, and is creating good discussion and putting forth good points, but that's exactly what I expect from crab regardless of alignment. With a player of his caliber I feel you have to latch on to and keep in mind any thing that feels off, rather than buying into what feels right.

If you think Tim is town and I am mafia, how could I be having a non-genuine interaction with Tim? I have no reason to treat him differently to any other town player. If you think we're both mafia, why have you chosen me moreso than Tim?

 

[Kawl_USC]

Wait wait wait I thought you thought we were both scum and I was busing. I'm confused.

I distinctly remember him mentioning the possibility that you were saving yourself from having town blood on your hands for a LP mislynch, I believe some time last night. If I wasn't on mobile I'd go look it up.

 

[Timeaisis]

Ah, well my bad then.

 

[Kawl_USC]

If you think Tim is town and I am mafia, how could I be having a non-genuine interaction with Tim? I have no reason to treat him differently to any other town player. If you think we're both mafia, why have you chosen me moreso than Tim?

Because playing as scum, every one of your posts is at least partially non genuine. You said it yourself, yes scum is also "solving the game" but they already have the answers and thus must lie to themselves or others when making their posts.

 

[squidyj]

Sorry I'm not posting to your schedule Crab and CCS. /s

This day 1 is looking like an absolute hot mess. By no means do I think the early bandwagoneers on LP are necessarily town but as per my previous discussion on the subject it makes me less likely to want to lynch them over most other people in the game right now.

Mostly right now I really don't like kyan, that's why my vote is where it is. that flippant shitposting attitude disguises what? a single reads list from much earlier in the day? That's not a lot.

That said I haven't seen much of anything that's actually scummy behaviour, just a lot of stuff that's bad for town, inactivity and faulty reasoning. Players like melon are putting too much stock into past games instead of properly scumhunting. Ouro has "unique" reasoning. Ouro is saying to lynch Time because Time is bussing LP because LP is scum. Why not be for lynching LP with melon and others then? Not only does that confirm your theory it's ALSO WHERE THE VOTES ALREADY ARE.
Tim makes 20 5 word posts without saying much of anything. Time does uhhh... what exactly?

Today is FUD. I least like Kyan, lets kill kyan.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

My suspiscion of Ouro is only increasing as he continues to give soft answers.

Anyway, I could be totally off base but that was what stuck out the most yesterday.

Why do we need reminding he could be totally off-base? You can just take it for granted all town are more likely than not off-base at this point in the game. It's D1. This smacks to me of a mafia trying not to step on anyone's toes and remain posting but uncontroversial early game.

I'm also genuinely stunned at how few votes Ourobolus has on him for someone most people seem to have discussed and mentioned he is high up on their list. It's never a good sign when everyone else just magically manages to have someone else to vote for half a cut above him.

 

[CzarTim]

It was one thing I listed when discussing four other players also, and wasn't even the main focus of that post.



You don't read posts awfully carefully, do you?

I missed this somehow. But you called me out in two posts for one comment I made when specifically asked a question about you whereas you sort of generally answered everyone's concerns.

And saying "other people have contributed less" isn't a response. You posted a lot but had little to add. Better today but still.

 

[Ourobolus]

Ouro has "unique" reasoning. Ouro is saying to lynch Time because Time is bussing LP because LP is scum. Why not be for lynching LP with melon and others then? Not only does that confirm your theory it's ALSO WHERE THE VOTES ALREADY ARE.

I clarified this a bit more above. Basically I see Time as being scum regardless of LP being scum or town.

 

[Kawl_USC]

Kyan and bats: votes please.


Squidy coming in with the same faulty argument wrt to ouro voting time over LP. That doesn't do the two of you any favors in my mind and marks a light connection to keep in mind for the future.

 

[Kyanrute]

Sorry I'm not posting to your schedule Crab and CCS. /s

This day 1 is looking like an absolute hot mess. By no means do I think the early bandwagoneers on LP are necessarily town but as per my previous discussion on the subject it makes me less likely to want to lynch them over most other people in the game right now.

Mostly right now I really don't like kyan, that's why my vote is where it is. that flippant shitposting attitude disguises what? a single reads list from much earlier in the day? That's not a lot.

That said I haven't seen much of anything that's actually scummy behaviour, just a lot of stuff that's bad for town, inactivity and faulty reasoning. Players like melon are putting too much stock into past games instead of properly scumhunting. Ouro has "unique" reasoning. Ouro is saying to lynch Time because Time is bussing LP because LP is scum. Why not be for lynching LP with melon and others then? Not only does that confirm your theory it's ALSO WHERE THE VOTES ALREADY ARE.
Tim makes 20 5 word posts without saying much of anything. Time does uhhh... what exactly?

Today is FUD. I least like Kyan, lets kill kyan.

no lets not kill kyan. and there is bit more than the read list there.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Because playing as scum, every one of your posts is at least partially non genuine. You said it yourself, yes scum is also "solving the game" but they already have the answers and thus must lie to themselves or others when making their posts.

I think this is true later on, but it's very easy for mafia to play as genuine town on the first day, because it's not clear who is threatening and you don't have strategic priorities that cause the division between mafia and town play. I do like your answer, though.

 

[Ourobolus]

My suspiscion of Ouro is only increasing as he continues to give soft answers.



Why do we need reminding he could be totally off-base? You can just take it for granted all town are more likely than not off-base at this point in the game. It's D1. This smacks to me of a mafia trying not to step on anyone's toes and remain posting but uncontroversial early game.

I'm also genuinely stunned at how few votes Ourobolus has on him for someone most people seem to have discussed and mentioned he is high up on their list. It's never a good sign when everyone else just magically manages to have someone else to vote for half a cut above him.

Go for it, crabby. Let's do this.

 

[Kawl_USC]

I think this is true later on, but it's very easy for mafia to play as genuine town on the first day, because it's not clear who is threatening and you don't have strategic priorities that cause the division between mafia and town play. I do like your answer, though.

Doesn't change the base fact that while town may couch their arguments since they are probably wrong, scum knows for a fact when they are arguing a bunk case (and outside of a day 1 bus for no reason they will always be arguing a lie). But it does add to the argument that ouros statement of saying "this may be off base" and shit doesn't read good. provides smoke for scum to hide behind.

Also, nice try but you aren't pocketing me. Harry Potter #neverforget

 

[Ourobolus]

Doesn't change the base fact that while town may couch their arguments since they are probably wrong, scum knows for a fact when they are arguing a bunk case (and outside of a day 1 bus for no reason they will always be arguing a lie). But it does add to the argument that ouros statement of saying "this may be off base" and shit doesn't read good. provides smoke for scum to hide behind.

Also, nice try but you aren't pocketing me. Harry Potter #neverforget

Sure, but everything anyone here has said has that implicit "this may be off base" attached to it.

But go ahead, read into it, Karl.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Also, nice try but you aren't pocketing me. Harry Potter #neverforget

I have done my best to ensure that I have no recollection of this game. It is locked deep away in the mental folder marked "Do Not Open".

I'm p. sure I was town, though.

 

[Kawl_USC]

I have done my best to ensure that I have no recollection of this game. It is locked deep away in the mental folder marked "Do Not Open".

I'm p. sure I was town, though.

No you were fake town leader and I totally bought it. Fake claims galore. Let's just forget it all except for a mental image of your avatar with pocketless shorts

 

[CCS]

No you were fake town leader and I totally bought it. Fake claims galore. Let's just forget it all except for a mental image of your avatar with pocketless shorts

Am I having that recurring dream again?

 

[Kawl_USC]

Sure, but everything anyone here has said has that implicit "this may be off base" attached to it.

But go ahead, read into it, Karl.

It's not like I'm moving my vote over it duders, but regardless I think it's better town play to fake it till you make it when it comes to bravado and selling your vote. Not to mention if you read the final line I'm saying it's smoke for scum, implying that I still have you as a town lean. Don't be skittish bub.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

I wasn't fake town leader, I really did lead town.

 

[Kawl_USC]

Am I having that recurring dream again?

Which one would that be?

The nightmare where the innocent child giggles and prances around town not contributing to the health and safety of the village?

 

[Ourobolus]

It's not like I'm moving my vote over it duders, but regardless I think it's better town play to fake it till you make it when it comes to bravado and selling your vote. Not to mention if you read the final line I'm saying it's smoke for scum, implying that I still have you as a town lean. Don't be skittish bub.

I misread then, my bad.

can we vote for time now

i wanna dance on his corpse

 

[Kyanrute]

VOTE: Timeaisis

 

[Kawl_USC]

I wasn't fake town leader, I really did lead town.

Fake is an adverb describing town, not an adjective describing leader.

 

[Timeaisis]

I misread then, my bad.

can we vote for time now

i wanna dance on his corpse

You already did. If we're gonna have an you vs me runoff, obviously you have been suspect the entire game.

Vote: Ourobolus

 

[Kawl_USC]

Can we get an updated vote count from the tool when someone has the chance?

 

[CCS]

Which one would that be?

The nightmare where the innocent child giggles and prances around town not contributing to the health and safety of the village?

I'm sorry if I'm not helping enough, what questions would you like to ask me?

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Fake is an adverb describing town, not an adjective describing leader.

petty technicalities!

 

[Ourobolus]

You already did. If we're gonna have an you vs me runoff, obviously you have been suspect the entire game.

Vote: Ourobolus

 

[Kawl_USC]

I'm sorry if I'm not helping enough, what questions would you like to ask me?

I'd like a fresh, different perspective than my own that I could 100% trust as non mafia. That's the benefit of the inno child. Locking into a policy lynch completely negates that man.

Me telling you what questions to ask kind of defeats the point

 

[squidyj]

Kyan and bats: votes please.


Squidy coming in with the same faulty argument wrt to ouro voting time over LP. That doesn't do the two of you any favors in my mind and marks a light connection to keep in mind for the future.

So you're going to bat for Ouro a little bit here which is kind of weird to me.Especially where you're so sure he was talking about LP not being scum last night. I've been lookng through his posts and I cant find it but maybe its lost in a conversation across multiple posts. Can you help me out with this since you're so sure it occurred? The only impression I got from ouro up until recently was indicated by this post.

For the record I am operating on the assumption that LP is scum, but expendable scum (Goon), and that Timeasis is scum, but not expendable (GF/RB).

 

[CzarTim]

I'm at lp > crab > time atm if I need to switch.