MITT - Netflix Documentary on Romney's election campaign (Streaming now on Netflix)

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The Technomancer said:
Its...interesting. Watching the trailer. The documentary is trying so hard to make him seem likable and its just...not working for me, at all. Like even his behavior here seems fake. Its not that I was against him, I was pretty damn against Bush and I'm still capable of seeing Bush in a positive light as a person. Even "behind the scenes" Romney just seems empty

I need to watch this just to see if I feel the same way about the entire thing.
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His behavior as a private citizen shows how thoughtless he is. Not evil, but like you said, completely without empathy or genuine common sense. The Car Elevator is a perfect example. A visible, public spectacle that he simply didn't understand looked bad. Not important in the scheme of things, but it shows that he didn't even care enough - or understand enough - about winning the presidency to change course on it. It didn't even have to be a - GASP - flip-flop. He could simply have delayed construction.
 
Blader said:
It's too bad he never actually said what those skills were.

also, do governors not count as politicians?
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The skills obviously involved firing all our government's employees to increase profit margins, taking this cut for improving business, and leaving before the company government goes bankrupt.

And anyone who destroys computer records before leaving office is an obvious politician.
 
Blader said:
It's too bad he never actually said what those skills were.

also, do governors not count as politicians?
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Here, check out the definition of politician.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/politician

Numero dos:

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a: a person engaged in party politics as a profession

b: a person primarily interested in political office for selfish or other narrow usually short-sighted reasons

If you look at it only as someone involved in government, then yes he is. But if you look at this other definition, he absolutely is not. He's not a career politician. He became governor to help a state, and he tried to become president to help the country. It was never about fame or money for him. It wasn't about enacting any selfish laws. There are too many politcians on both sides of the aisle who don't care what they're voting for, all they care about is keeping their job. That's why we need more people like Romney who aren't in it for themselves.
 
I still can't come to a conclusion about Romney because he's still a complete cipher to me. I mean, politicians pander all of the time, but Romney swung so wildly from his term as governor of Massachusetts to his 2012 campaign that it's really hard to get a good read on the guy.

But as president, it seems obvious that he would have capitulated to the worst and most vocal factions of his party just to stay in their good graces. He needs constant validation, not from the public as a whole, but from his specific peer group.
 
Protein said:
I hope we get something like this eventually.

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You will.

It's not clear if it'll focus strictly on Romney or more about both sides, but there's definitely a Game Change 'sequel' in the works.
 
ezekial45 said:
6-7, I'd say. It's not too bad. The trailer did a good job with humanizing him, surprisingly. They should've had something like this during his campaign.
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He's actually a funny, nice guy. I was shocked at how poorly his campaign handled him, and he deserves blame for being so rigid on camera, thinking it would make him seem serious. Eventually his sons took more control of the campaign and attempted to humanize him, but it was too late.

Also let's not forget they had a pretty well done short doc ready for the RNC, but they went with Clint Eastwood at prime time instead of the doc. The rest is history.

I'll definitely watch this.
 
BertramCooper said:
I have a feeling a Game Change-esque Romney pic would be pretty boring, at least compared to Game Change and Recount.
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Yeah, Romney, as a figure and his campaign, weren't all that dramatic looking back on it. A sort of character study, a look inside the mind of a person who would want to take this own, seems more interesting.

But if they're planning a Game Change sequel, they're planning a sequel.
 
Dan said:
It's not clear if it'll focus strictly on Romney or more about both sides, but there's definitely a Game Change 'sequel' in the works.
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Romney is pretty much the main focus of the book. Obama's in there, but I don't remember him having many sections.
 
LinktoDrink said:
Here, check out the definition of politician.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/politician

Numero dos:

2
a: a person engaged in party politics as a profession

b: a person primarily interested in political office for selfish or other narrow usually short-sighted reasons

If you look at it only as someone involved in government, then yes he is. But if you look at this other definition, he absolutely is not. He's not a career politician. He became governor to help a state, and he tried to become president to help the country. It was never about fame or money for him. It wasn't about enacting any selfish laws. There are too many politcians on both sides of the aisle who don't care what they're voting for, all they care about is keeping their job. That's why we need more people like Romney who aren't in it for themselves.
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you are naive.

So you're saying Romney ran for Senate in 1994 as a selfless act for the people. And again for Governor and again for President...to help the people (Or at least the 1%) . Couldn't you make that argument for ANYONE (who isn't overtly corrupt) in the political process? They are just in it to help the people.

He has been a part of the political process for longer than Obama. Does that make Obama not a politician too? Or is it just because of the motivation differences which you apparently know inside and out compared to other "real" politicians' motives. Motivations/selfish laws as a differentiation?...bunch of bunk. He's a politician like the rest...he just hasn't been as consistently successful at it as many.
 
I guess if you paint Romney as a tragic figure who bent over backwards to please everyone - only to truly please almost no one - you've got something relatively interesting.

Specifically, I'd be interested to see an angle that focuses on Mitt's faith and his inability to fully connect with the Republican base. Mormons have come a long way in terms of public perception, but it's quite obvious that the evangelicals really struggled to look past his faith.

If there had been even one additional legitimate candidate in that shitshow of a primary field, Romney would have gotten trounced.
 
LinktoDrink said:
If you look at it only as someone involved in government, then yes he is. But if you look at this other definition, he absolutely is not. He's not a career politician.
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You're right, he's a career political loser. Most career politicians manage more than one win.

Also, I'm not sure "primarily interested in political office for selfish or other narrow usually short-sighted reasons" is helping your case any. :lol

He became governor to help a state, and he tried to become president to help the country. It was never about fame or money for him. It wasn't about enacting any selfish laws. There are too many politcians on both sides of the aisle who don't care what they're voting for, all they care about is keeping their job. That's why we need more people like Romney who aren't in it for themselves.
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I'm not sure what Romney you're thinking of, but the Romney that ran for president last year was so desperate to get the job that he changed his positions wildly to appeal to different groups.

I really don't think the Obama campaign harped as much as they should have on the health care thing, because there's no more blatant example of a politician abandoning his principles to garner votes than Romney pledging to repeal a law that was based on his own health care platform.
 
LinktoDrink said:
Here, check out the definition of politician.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/politician

Numero dos:

2
a: a person engaged in party politics as a profession

b: a person primarily interested in political office for selfish or other narrow usually short-sighted reasons

If you look at it only as someone involved in government, then yes he is. But if you look at this other definition, he absolutely is not. He's not a career politician. He became governor to help a state, and he tried to become president to help the country. It was never about fame or money for him. It wasn't about enacting any selfish laws. There are too many politcians on both sides of the aisle who don't care what they're voting for, all they care about is keeping their job. That's why we need more people like Romney who aren't in it for themselves.
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...did you pay any attention at all to Mitt's campaign and how he sees poor people?
 
Stinkles said:
His behavior as a private citizen shows how thoughtless he is. Not evil, but like you said, completely without empathy or genuine common sense. The Car Elevator is a perfect example. A visible, public spectacle that he simply didn't understand looked bad. Not important in the scheme of things, but it shows that he didn't even care enough - or understand enough - about winning the presidency to change course on it. It didn't even have to be a - GASP - flip-flop. He could simply have delayed construction.
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You sound like some peasant who doesn't have a car elevator. Must be hell having the maid take up a spot in your pathetic single level garage.
 
And I was just thinking about how I might cancel Netflix in the new year.

Then I remembered House of Cards and now this. Hot damn netflix.
 
Actually looks interesting...I hope there is a shot of him wearing flip flops

also, who the fuck tries to iron clothes while wearing them
 
Dax01 said:
...did you pay any attention at all to Mitt's campaign and how he sees poor people?
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Yes, a lot more than you did, obviously. How he sees poor people? Man, I don't know how people like you get through the day with your backwards beliefs. Obama has pushed more people into poverty than we've seen in our lifetimes, the 1% is now more wealthy than when he took office, yet you somehow still think he's helping poor people. Romney could have helped the middle class but ignorant people like you refused to see that.
 
LinktoDrink said:
Yes, a lot more than you did, obviously. How he sees poor people? Man, I don't know how people like you get through the day with your backwards beliefs. Obama has pushed more people into poverty than we've seen in our lifetimes, the 1% is now more wealthy than when he took office, yet you somehow still think he's helping poor people. Romney could have helped the middle class but ignorant people like you refused to see that.
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And having a gridlocked Congress for all but the first two years of his presidency has nothing to do with this.
 
LinktoDrink said:
Yes, a lot more than you did, obviously. How he sees poor people? Man, I don't know how people like you get through the day with your backwards beliefs. Obama has pushed more people into poverty than we've seen in our lifetimes, the 1% is now more wealthy than when he took office, yet you somehow still think he's helping poor people. Romney could have helped the middle class but ignorant people like you refused to see that.
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hated this fool so much during the election. His campaign was a just a constant barrage of shameless lies and flip-flopping. I am so glad he got curb stomped on election night.
 
LinktoDrink said:
Yes, a lot more than you did, obviously. How he sees poor people? Man, I don't know how people like you get through the day with your backwards beliefs. Obama has pushed more people into poverty than we've seen in our lifetimes, the 1% is now more wealthy than when he took office, yet you somehow still think he's helping poor people. Romney could have helped the middle class but ignorant people like you refused to see that.
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Damn we really missed out on that sweet, sweet trickle down guys
 
Both this doc and The Square (about Egypt's protest movement) premiere on Netflix in January. Good stuff, both look well worth watching.

Dram said:
Romney is pretty much the main focus of the book. Obama's in there, but I don't remember him having many sections.
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Gotcha, thanks. I didn't get an answer from a quick glance at the book's blurb.
 
LinktoDrink said:
Yes, a lot more than you did, obviously. How he sees poor people? Man, I don't know how people like you get through the day with your backwards beliefs. Obama has pushed more people into poverty than we've seen in our lifetimes, the 1% is now more wealthy than when he took office, yet you somehow still think he's helping poor people. Romney could have helped the middle class but ignorant people like you refused to see that.
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I like you started out like "Romney's not such a bad guy" and now it's "FUCKING OBAMA"
 
Lol at Romney being not a politician but a businessman. And he just wants to help America and has no selfish motives. Seems like people believed the narrative the Romney campaign fed them.

Romney is a vulture capitalist who buys companies to extract profits from them for personal gain. If by any luck the company survives this and becomes successful anyway, great, double win. If it goes bankrupt then it is only a single win.

If he wanted to be seen not as a politician than he should put out his beliefs and not just change them everyday just to appeal to some target audience. Obamacare is basically Romneycare, but you wouldn't believe it if you heard Romney speaking about it during his campaign.

Next thing we hear is that Cheney only went back into politics to help America and not for selfish motives.
 
LinktoDrink said:
Yes, a lot more than you did, obviously. How he sees poor people? Man, I don't know how people like you get through the day with your backwards beliefs. Obama has pushed more people into poverty than we've seen in our lifetimes, the 1% is now more wealthy than when he took office, yet you somehow still think he's helping poor people. Romney could have helped the middle class but ignorant people like you refused to see that.
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Exactly. Obama and Obama alone is wreaking havoc on the middle class with his Bush tax cuts, trickle-down economics, and continuing insistence on keeping millionaire tax loopholes open. And let's not forget about that financial crisis he was able to engineer before even getting elected!
 
LinktoDrink said:
Yes, a lot more than you did, obviously. How he sees poor people? Man, I don't know how people like you get through the day with your backwards beliefs. Obama has pushed more people into poverty than we've seen in our lifetimes, the 1% is now more wealthy than when he took office, yet you somehow still think he's helping poor people. Romney could have helped the middle class but ignorant people like you refused to see that.
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Name one policy from Mitt's campaign that was supposed to help out the poor and underprivileged members of society. Go.
 
RustyNails said:
Name one policy from Mitt's campaign that was supposed to help out the poor and underprivileged members of society. Go.
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It's been over a year, so forgive me for not remembering a lot of details. But I can jump right to the repeal of Obamacare. That is a law that is causing millions of people to lose their insurance. For example, I work at a place with great benefits, but they outright told us that we might not be able to keep our insurance next year. They cut a deal to renew in December to avoid the price going up too much, but they expect it to become too expensive next year. More money for less coverage and higher deductibles, that's the future you voted for.

As far as Romneycare, that was what was right for Massachusetts at the time. You can't apply one blanket rule like this across the country and expect it to work. They're all different, they all have their own economies.
 
LinktoDrink said:
It's been over a year, so forgive me for not remembering a lot of details. But I can jump right to the repeal of Obamacare. That is a law that is causing millions of people to lose their insurance. For example, I work at a place with great benefits, but they outright told us that we might not be able to keep our insurance next year. They cut a deal to renew in December to avoid the price going up too much, but they expect it to become too expensive next year. More money for less coverage and higher deductibles, that's the future you voted for.
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this is because of a busted-ass healthcare system that our government will never regulate as deeply as it should.

remember when Mitt rolled out a similar plan to Obamacare in Mass?
 
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