MITT - Netflix Documentary on Romney's election campaign (Streaming now on Netflix)

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As far as Romneycare, that was what was right for Massachusetts at the time. You can't apply one blanket rule like this across the country and expect it to work. They're all different, they all have their own economies.
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Wait, if all states have different economies that have to be handled differently then how can the president greatly effect "the economy" at a nation-wide level?
 
LinktoDrink said:
It's been over a year, so forgive me for not remembering a lot of details. But I can jump right to the repeal of Obamacare. That is a law that is causing millions of people to lose their insurance. For example, I work at a place with great benefits, but they outright told us that we might not be able to keep our insurance next year. They cut a deal to renew in December to avoid the price going up too much, but they expect it to become too expensive next year. More money for less coverage and higher deductibles, that's the future you voted for.

As far as Romneycare, that was what was right for Massachusetts at the time. You can't apply one blanket rule like this across the country and expect it to work. They're all different, they all have their own economies.
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Sounds like you bought in to the campaign's propaganda. The economies of the fifty states are so different that it can't be applied on a national scale? Really?
 
LinktoDrink said:
It's been over a year, so forgive me for not remembering a lot of details. But I can jump right to the repeal of Obamacare. That is a law that is causing millions of people to lose their insurance. For example, I work at a place with great benefits, but they outright told us that we might not be able to keep our insurance next year. They cut a deal to renew in December to avoid the price going up too much, but they expect it to become too expensive next year. More money for less coverage and higher deductibles, that's the future you voted for.

As far as Romneycare, that was what was right for Massachusetts at the time. You can't apply one blanket rule like this across the country and expect it to work. They're all different, they all have their own economies.
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People are losing their health coverage because the policies they were sold are shit. They don't meet the baseline requirements set by the ACA and were deliberately sold by insurers who knew full well what they were offering would expire within a couple years. It's another form of predatory lending that had to stop.

Many of those same people can and are receiving new policies with comparable premiums and coverage. It's not a direct 1:1 conversion and there are too many who stuck in the gaps -- i.e. too poor to afford new plans and not poor enough to qualify for subsidies -- which is definitely one of the law's biggest flaws. But the narrative that millions of people now have no coverage or have to pay exponentially greater premiums for coverage is patently false.

Also, what do you mean by "Romneycare was right for Massachusetts at the time"? Is it not right for Mass anymore? What makes it specifically right for Mass? Are there more uninsured people in Mass than other states? If Romneycare is only good for Mass circa 2002, then how would Romney reform health care in all other states circa 2013? What would Romney's alternative be to his own plan? Say he repeals ACA, what does he replace it with? Or is 48 million people without insurance not a problem worth solving?

No offense man, but this is complete Kool-Aid talk. There's no substance to Romney's plan for improving the economy, and the fact that you think Romney would have been a much better president but can't even remember the details of why that would be the case is pretty telling in of itself.
 
I know the Romney family. Mitt is a really good guy. He's super genuine. The stuff going on surrounding people questioning him as a good and caring person really bugged me during the election, because I knew better.
 
Blader said:
People are losing their health coverage because the policies they were sold are shit. They don't meet the baseline requirements set by the ACA and were deliberately sold by insurers who knew full well what they were offering would expire within a couple years. It's another form of predatory lending that had to stop.
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Well, you say this but then you tell me to stop drinking the Kool Aid. Have you even gone onto healthcare.gov? I have. I'm on there right now.

Blue Choice Bronze PPO 006

$125 per month and $6,000 DEDUCTIBLE. Meaning if I need to have anything done at all, I'm paying that much out of pocket before my coverage begins. That is fucking garbage, straight up. My deductible right now is $250 per year, and even that was difficult for me to pay.

Even if I go to a Gold plan, it's $202 per month and $2,000 deductible.

No matter what, I will be getting much worse coverage and paying much more than I did before. I'm someone who doesn't even make 40k per year. You think I can afford that? I can't. No matter what campaign speak you use, it doesn't change the facts of the numbers right in front of my face.
 
LinktoDrink said:
Well, you say this but then you tell me to stop drinking the Kool Aid. Have you even gone onto healthcare.gov? I have. I'm on there right now.

Blue Choice Bronze PPO 006

$125 per month and $6,000 DEDUCTIBLE. Meaning if I need to have anything done at all, I'm paying that much out of pocket before my coverage begins. That is fucking garbage, straight up. My deductible right now is $250 per year, and even that was difficult for me to pay.
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Consider that the people who lost their coverage plans were substandard compared to THAT. They were paying for almost nothing.
 
Stinkles said:
His behavior as a private citizen shows how thoughtless he is. Not evil, but like you said, completely without empathy or genuine common sense. The Car Elevator is a perfect example. A visible, public spectacle that he simply didn't understand looked bad. Not important in the scheme of things, but it shows that he didn't even care enough - or understand enough - about winning the presidency to change course on it. It didn't even have to be a - GASP - flip-flop. He could simply have delayed construction.
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lolwut? Car elevator? What did I miss?
 
Flandy said:
lolwut? Car elevator? What did I miss?
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mitt-elevator-76142871112.jpeg
 
ElectricBlue187 said:
Consider that the people who lost their coverage plans were substandard compared to THAT. They were paying for almost nothing.
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Is there any evidence that that's true? I've heard stories to the opposite. I read a tear-jerking story about a cancer patient who is losing his coverage and won't be able to afford it anymore, so he's going to just let himself die. That's the reality of it. It seems people who were perfectly happy with their plans and who were getting the coverage they needed are now shit out of luck. Don't pass that off as the insurance companies being greedy.
 
LinktoDrink said:
Is there any evidence that that's true? I've heard stories to the opposite. I read a tear-jerking story about a cancer patient who is losing his coverage and won't be able to afford it anymore, so he's going to just let himself die. That's the reality of it. It seems people who were perfectly happy with their plans and who were getting the coverage they needed are now shit out of luck. Don't pass that off as the insurance companies being greedy.
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http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...rubio-said-florida-300000-people-are-going-l/

there's my source, where's yours?
 
LinktoDrink said:
Is there any evidence that that's true? I've heard stories to the opposite. I read a tear-jerking story about a cancer patient who is losing his coverage and won't be able to afford it anymore, so he's going to just let himself die. That's the reality of it.
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[citation needed]
 
I was surprised to hear a Beirut song in the trailer.

This looks really promising, and I can't wait to see it in full.
 
LinktoDrink said:
Here, check out the definition of politician.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/politician

Numero dos:

2
a: a person engaged in party politics as a profession

b: a person primarily interested in political office for selfish or other narrow usually short-sighted reasons

If you look at it only as someone involved in government, then yes he is. But if you look at this other definition, he absolutely is not. He's not a career politician. He became governor to help a state, and he tried to become president to help the country. It was never about fame or money for him. It wasn't about enacting any selfish laws. There are too many politcians on both sides of the aisle who don't care what they're voting for, all they care about is keeping their job. That's why we need more people like Romney who aren't in it for themselves.
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Romney has done quite well financially for someone who isn't in it for themselves...
 
lenovox1 said:
Megan Kelly and her team did absolutely zero reporting or investigating here, and, in this case, that is absolutely disgraceful.
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It's really sad to me how often I find myself fact checking stories on news outlets these days. The "journalists" are supposed to be doing the fact checking rather than pushing an agenda...and that's becoming less and less the case it seems to those beholden to the almighty media rating numbers.
 
LinktoDrink said:
Well, you say this but then you tell me to stop drinking the Kool Aid. Have you even gone onto healthcare.gov? I have. I'm on there right now.

Blue Choice Bronze PPO 006

$125 per month and $6,000 DEDUCTIBLE. Meaning if I need to have anything done at all, I'm paying that much out of pocket before my coverage begins. That is fucking garbage, straight up. My deductible right now is $250 per year, and even that was difficult for me to pay.

Even if I go to a Gold plan, it's $202 per month and $2,000 deductible.

No matter what, I will be getting much worse coverage and paying much more than I did before. I'm someone who doesn't even make 40k per year. You think I can afford that? I can't. No matter what campaign speak you use, it doesn't change the facts of the numbers right in front of my face.
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I already acknowledged that the coverage gaps in the law are among the ACA's biggest issues, it was in my last post. I don't know you or any of your personal info so I can't exactly fact check your claims here or recommend something different.

But my point was that while the law is imperfect and tons of people are still getting screwed, plenty more people who either had shitty coverage or no coverage at all are now actually getting health insurance. People who were refused because of pre-existing conditions are now getting insured. You can't deny that this is a step in the right direction. It's not THE solution, but it's a good first step and certainly better than the *nothing* that Republicans are putting forward.

Because again, what's the alternative? So Romney repeals the ACA, what happens next? What was his solution for health care reform and the financial drain that 48 million uninsured people place on the taxpayer? The simple answer is he didn't have one and the GOP doesn't have one, and the reason for that is because Obama has already gone ahead and made their plan the law.
 
Wow, I can't wait to watch this. Maybe if they had done something like this - a documentary -in-process while he was on the campaign trail - then maybe the American people might have gotten to know him a bit better as a person, which might just have helped him a lot.
 
Mitt Romney: "You're not going to convince people that Dan Quail is smart. And it may be I gotta live with that: 'oh you're flipping and everything', in which case... I think I'm a flawed candidate."

Well, considering he caused the issues of him being a flip flopper (on literally every subject across the board he changed positions with, almost without exception... probably the most prolific flip flopper in modern American politics, actually), this is surprisingly candid. It is amazing, even though I could never vote for the guy, how consistently he dehumanized himself in every public appearance but in these intimate clips he seems a lot more affable. Shows what a disaster his campaign was. He should have abandoned all his campaign leadership.
 
Documentary looks interesting. Kudos to Boston Dynamics for the amazingly realistic motion they've achieved.
 
LinktoDrink said:
It's been over a year, so forgive me for not remembering a lot of details. But I can jump right to the repeal of Obamacare. That is a law that is causing millions of people to lose their insurance. For example, I work at a place with great benefits, but they outright told us that we might not be able to keep our insurance next year. They cut a deal to renew in December to avoid the price going up too much, but they expect it to become too expensive next year. More money for less coverage and higher deductibles, that's the future you voted for.

As far as Romneycare, that was what was right for Massachusetts at the time. You can't apply one blanket rule like this across the country and expect it to work. They're all different, they all have their own economies.
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It's interesting that you did not answer my question. I asked for specific policy that helps poorer segments of the society, but instead you picked a policy by Obama that is designed to help them. Can you not think of any other policies? Like expanding medicaid or public housing assisting programs?

People who lost their insurance did so because their policies did not live up to the new standards set by ACA, as answered by other posters.
The Affordable Care Act sets standards that private insurance companies must follow. Health plans must pay for at least 60 percent of their members’ medical costs on average. They also have to provide 10 areas of coverage, called essential health benefits, such as hospitalization, mental health treatment, and maternity care. Plans that don’t meet these standards generally can’t be sold after 2013, unless they’re grandfathered
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Insurance companies that tried to fuck over their consumers by not providing essential healthcare benefits that all civilized countries provide, decided to drop them instead. You should be angry at the insurance companies for failing to provide additional healthcare.

Next, the people who lost their coverage are guaranteed a plan under Obamacare which meets the new standards. Yes, it was horrible of Obama to say that you can keep a plan if you like it. He should have qualified that statement. In any case, I still do not see how Obamacare is harming the poor and underprivileged members of the society. People losing coverage already had an income to sustain monthly premiums.
 
they had this footage for 6 years, and during the entire campaign when everybody was saying how he had no heart and no personality his idiot campaign managers didn't put out any of this footage?
 
Blader said:
It's too bad he never actually said what those skills were.
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Do you need to? Take a look at Obama's and Romney's investments and which had more failures. I didnt vote for Romney but I can't dismiss Bam's atrocious track record of investments in companies that went belly up. That doesn't mean Mitt would have made a good President or that he would have been able to turn the economy around, just saying from a purely business perspective.
 
jsip said:
Do you need to? Take a look at Obama's and Romney's investments and which had more failures. I didnt vote for Romney but I can't dismiss Bam's atrocious track record of investments in companies that went belly up. That doesn't mean Mitt would have made a good President or that he would have been able to turn the economy around, just saying from a purely business perspective.
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..how is this relevant? Government is nothing like a stock market. Or a business. I'll go ahead and say that the federal budget is also not like a household budget.
 
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