Miyamoto on using 2 controllers on Wii U
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plagiarize
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well i'm pleasantly surprised that this hasn't been ruled out completely at this point. if they can give the tablets the ability to scale a lower resolution feed up to full screen, that would be one way of addressing things... or yes, alternate frames if it works on a frame by frame basis.PortTwo said:
but yeah, it doesn't lose anything compared to the other consoles if you can only use one. it just doesn't add something that'd be really cool (no split screen!) and that GBA-GC connectivity was able to do.
for single player, and online multiplayer, you can presume the tablet is an option and fully implement it. it's only local multiplayer where you can't presume more than one... and that only leaves you with the same situation we have with PS3 and 360 as the absolute worst situation.
two player co-op, you only need one tablet to give each player their own screen... so it's really only the competitive shooter type of split screen, or split screen for more than two players where it's an issue. (not an issue for two player split screen racing as *where* the other player is isn't something you want kept secret.
it doesn't matter that player two doesn't have their own tablet for their view in most things, because they have the whole TV and its only certain MP games where player one being able to see both the TV and their screen would be something negative.
hikarutilmitt
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Just give me a goddamned built-in Ethernet port this time. The wifi on your hardware sucks, Nintendo.
brochiller
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This was a lose-lose situation for Nintendo:
Scenario 1: They show four of the new controllers playing the same game at the same time.
GAF reaction: "Omg what the hell I'm going to have to get four of these monstrosities to play multiplayer?!?!?"
Scenario 2: They show one of the new controllers being used with each system with full backwards compatibility with all Wii controller which can be used by the other players.
GAF reaction: "Omg what the hell I'm not going to be able to buy four of these monstrosities to play multiplayer?!?!?"
Scenario 1: They show four of the new controllers playing the same game at the same time.
GAF reaction: "Omg what the hell I'm going to have to get four of these monstrosities to play multiplayer?!?!?"
Scenario 2: They show one of the new controllers being used with each system with full backwards compatibility with all Wii controller which can be used by the other players.
GAF reaction: "Omg what the hell I'm not going to be able to buy four of these monstrosities to play multiplayer?!?!?"
plagiarize
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this too. remember the reaction to four swords? *sigh*.brochiller said:
brochiller said:
Who cares what people are whining about? The people who've actually played on the thing have very noticeably enjoyed it. And if it ends up working and we're all playing on Wii U by the end of next year, what's the whining amount to?
The only thing this early reveal did was hurt Nintendo's stock price.
Vinci said:
That's not very convincing, It's new tech so most people will react positively.
I frankly think they need to focus their resources on making 90% of that demo reel reality instead chasing after adding 4 player screenmote support. That's one thing where the original Wii E306 demo reel failed. A lot flair/flailing and the reality never quite matched up.
#1) it will be used by few games unless they pack in 4 screenmotes which wont happen
#2) the lifestyle features is what will push the WiiU, not whether what people once considered a Nintendo gimmick (4 player GBA>GC connectivity) works
As noted, I think it may be possible to support up to 2 of those things, and that will give them a reason to bring 3DS/WiiU connectivity.
While I definitely think more information revealed would have been nice, it is a start and it gives us a taste of what to expect. Things will start progressing in its development, and having feedback early in this process means that changes can be made.
It is all just too early to tell right now. Heck, Ghost Recon Online that they showed is going to be a downloadable title with full online functionality. That says a lot as to Nintendo's new stance on downloadable content and online. We'll have to see what others do and if Nintendo will provide a way for such things to tie together in one online system. Again, it is early, so just wait and see.
As for multiple controllers, I think two would be good with "full functionality," but I can see a developer allow 4 if they just turn the screens off or provide very simple functionality on it. If off, "when the time comes" in the game, they could then turn their screens on to reveal different information.
It is all just too early to tell right now. Heck, Ghost Recon Online that they showed is going to be a downloadable title with full online functionality. That says a lot as to Nintendo's new stance on downloadable content and online. We'll have to see what others do and if Nintendo will provide a way for such things to tie together in one online system. Again, it is early, so just wait and see.
As for multiple controllers, I think two would be good with "full functionality," but I can see a developer allow 4 if they just turn the screens off or provide very simple functionality on it. If off, "when the time comes" in the game, they could then turn their screens on to reveal different information.
brochiller
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Plinko said:
There's no ethernet port on the prototype console, but as Kotaku pointed out there is still a lot of time for changes to be made.
Zoramon089
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Deku said:
IT'S THE STANDARD CONTROLLER. NO CONSOLE COMES WITH 4 PACKED IN
plagiarize
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edit: you clarified what you meant. disregard.Deku said:
DR3AM said:
I'd imagine it is too. I think what happened is that Nintendo determined, "Yes, we can do this, but the system cannot handle more than one (at max two) of these damn things. What the hell are we going to do? We really like this. *thinks* Wait. Do all controllers for a system have to be the exact same? Can the differences be leveraged to make something interesting? *tests* Yes, it can!"
Obviously this would have taken place over years and likely cost the company millions upon millions of dollars.
quickwhips
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wii face book is coming i already called it months ago.
les papillons sexuels
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that sounds dumb. Kids are going to fight like mad over it.
hikarutilmitt
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Game Analyst said:Wouldn't this adapter work?
Nintendo Wii USB Enabled Lan Adapter
The point is not having to pay for a piece of hardware that costs them a buck to put into the thing. A secondary point is that their Wifi products have always been sort of flaky, in my experience. It's slow to connect, slow to download and varies in stability greatly where EVERY OTHER device on my wireless network connects and works flawlessly.
hikarutilmitt said:
Their USB dongle has a habit of dropping connections when I leave my PC on without restarting for too long.
But ever since I switched my Wii to link up directly to my wireless router, there has been no problems. And this is the first I've heard of their 'flaky' wifi.
Zoramon089
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hikarutilmitt said:
Maybe at a public access point...if this is happening on your own personal home access point, the problem lies with something you did during the setup...
hikarutilmitt
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Deku said:
The little USB dongle for people without Wifi was pretty much known to suck, apparently. My main issue is that the Wii of all devices has weird wireless issues like randomly disconnecting from the AP, moving terribly slow or just not allowing packets through as though there's a firewall I can't turn off. My 3DS, so far, has been much better in this regard, but my DS and DS Lite both had similar issues to the Wii to the point where I eventually never bothered with wifi.
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Sounds great. Just as awesome as GBA connectivity was with the GC.Jintor said:
HerbertFish
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That's a hundred mil, yo.hikarutilmitt said:
TestOfTide
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to be fair, with the way the wiiU works, you could have everyone bring their console and do wireless LAN and it would basically give the same result as what people want with multiple WiiU Controller gameplay. The console seems to be small and light enough.
Yeah, it's no where near ideal, but at least the only plug you have to worry about is power outlets.
Yeah, it's no where near ideal, but at least the only plug you have to worry about is power outlets.
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TestOfTide said:
Everyone is bringing their own television, too?
A Link to the Past
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I'm definitely not buying a Wii U at launch. MAYBE if the online turned out good, but I barely play online games as is, on my PS3 or Wii. This is a huge mistake, and I hope that they realize it.
DR3AM said:
Definitely. I still say that they will work out the details of everything by launch and it will allow multiple controllers.
I also think that they just don't want to sell these controllers individually if they don't have to. I think the price point might make people shy away from the console if they see that one of the extra controllers cost $100+. Who knows though till release.
I'm not a tech guy, but i am guessing the problem would be sending out 2-4 separate signals to the Wu controllers? It has worked with Wavebird, but that turned each controller port into its own signal station. The problem might be that there is only one signal station in the system right now?
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Steve Youngblood
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Yeah. I think it would be silly to develop games around the premise that there will be 2 - 4 of these controllers in a room at the same time. It's a possibility, sure, but what's the likelihood that you should really invest heavy resources into accommodating the possibility?ZAK said:
However, I do think the theoretical support would be nice for numerous styles of games. And by that, I just mean limited usage of the screen for concealment purposes would be theoretically neat to allow for "in the same room" gaming as opposed to being online only, even if I never intend to use the feature (i.e play-picking in sports games, player hand in any various card games, other board game-type interfaces, etc).
Rentahamster
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I would think that for fast-paced games like Mario Kart, it might be harder for older people who have a more difficult time quickly alternating focus between near and far objects.Wolves Evolve said:
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Drkirby said:
That is what I am thinking, if they are planning it that there will be 1 per console... gotta be expensive.
Steve Youngblood
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Well, as neat as it would be to be able to recreate that kind of experience, I would imagine that such games would still be released, albeit limited to online. I'd like to see them explore multiple tablets as a possibility, but in the world of internet multiplayer, not facilitating it is justifiable, particularly if it's a technological limitation. Now, if it's not a technological limitation, then I agree that it's pretty lame to ax the possibility on account of the assumption that no household will ever have multiple tablets in the same room for any reason, so why bother.Vamphuntr said:
Why would traditional local multiplayer games be subpar?richiek said:
ZAK said:
My comment was that if Nintendo had difficulty getting people to buy $99 GBAs to play four swords or CC, it's very unlikely 4 player tablet gaming is going to work unless they pack in 4 tablets, which obviously is unlikely.
The tablet to Nintendo is very clearly an extension of the console as conceived.
That said, they specifically mentioned reviewing the possibility of supporting at least 2. And it would make some sense to do that as it would give them an excuse to turn the 3DS into a terminal for the WiiU.
Little Green Yoda
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I'd imagine fighting games would work better with a stick or a pad but who knows?richiek said:
Steve Youngblood
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Well, in the Crystal Chronicles and Four Swords days, those games didn't have online functionality. I think you'd have an easier go of making such a game now and assuming that they'll just play together online.Deku said:
Which brings me to the assertion that I completely understand that it might be a logistical problem of having the Wii U output to the television and four tablets simultaneously to recreate the online experience in the same room. If that's the case, then I won't have any complaints. I just hope that it's not the case where they're ignoring the possibility not because it's impossible, but because they're lazy and assume that four tablets will never be in proximity to each other.
Mariah Carey
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WHY ARE THEY ACTING LIKE THEY'VE NEVER EVEN THOUGHT OF IT BEFORE? "WE ARE LOOKING INTO IT" ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! WHAT IS THE FREAKIN' POINT THEN?