Miyamoto on using 2 controllers on Wii U
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GLopez12 said:
What do you expect, they showed us a box, a couple of nice interactive demos and a controller, it's typical of the Japanese to leave us with more questions than answers they are masters at doing that.
Of course Sony saw a similar response regarding online when they announced the PS3 did they not ?
If the lack of multiple controllers is due to wifi bandwidth they should consider allowing players to hooking up additional controllers by a USB cable or something, especially seeing as you can't play the thing in a different room its not guna make much difference.
Haunted said:
Or the classic controller..
check this promo image for the killer freaks game...
It's not the perfect solution, but the classic controller at least gives the players parity in terms of button layout and control options (other than the touch screen). This should work fine with things like fighters or mario kart or anything else that is dependent on traditional local multiplayer.. These games won't rely as heavily on the screen during multiplay to allow for an equal match between players.
So it's not really a downgrade in terms of local multiplayer options.. It just doesn't allow for the potential upgrade (4 swords style gameplay) to local multiplayer that everybody was hoping for. You can still get all the normal local multiplayer you would get with a traditional system.
MarshMellow96
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Ewww black controller with a white console.
ReBurn
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I plan to save my abject disappointment for closer to launch. Besides, it's much more fun living vicariously through other peoples' abject disappointment right now.
As someone who isn't a big online gamer I'm not that concerned with the lack of information on how online multiplayer will work. There are worse things than potentially having to remember a half-dozen logins. Sure, an integrated online system would be more convenient but it isn't the end of the world. And compared to Nintendo's system with Wii and DS I think it might even be an improvement.
As far as not having multiple tablet controllers, I can see that being a drawback. But there's still plenty of time for Nintendo to deal with that if they'll see the light. For local multiplayer where a level of strategy is needed it could really add a new level of cool. Like calling plays in sports games, having your own customized map view in shooters or having your own dashboard view in a racer.
As someone who isn't a big online gamer I'm not that concerned with the lack of information on how online multiplayer will work. There are worse things than potentially having to remember a half-dozen logins. Sure, an integrated online system would be more convenient but it isn't the end of the world. And compared to Nintendo's system with Wii and DS I think it might even be an improvement.
As far as not having multiple tablet controllers, I can see that being a drawback. But there's still plenty of time for Nintendo to deal with that if they'll see the light. For local multiplayer where a level of strategy is needed it could really add a new level of cool. Like calling plays in sports games, having your own customized map view in shooters or having your own dashboard view in a racer.
Freezie KO
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ReBurn said:
I hope for driving games, they copy the iPhone keyboard to the WiiTab. Then I can practice looking down and texting while driving.
I can totally see the technical issues making using more than one controller complicated. Streaming all that video data lag-free, and having the console render multiple screens, is not that easy and the latter eats up quite a lot of resources.
It's one of the reasons why I was so skeptical before the reveal, expecting a console able to output dual 1080p (main TV + 4 controller screens) sounded too much like wishful thinking coming off a generation of sub-720p games on a single screen.
It's one of the reasons why I was so skeptical before the reveal, expecting a console able to output dual 1080p (main TV + 4 controller screens) sounded too much like wishful thinking coming off a generation of sub-720p games on a single screen.
GitarooMan
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They should definitely pack in a CC Pro as well then.
Napoleonthechimp said:
The point is this:
The Cafe is presumably designed to fill one HD framebuffer and one tablet framebuffer each frame, with appropriate levels of power (we hope!) to do that to a reasonable level of detail.
In your hypothetical split-screen game, you are expecting it to fill two tablet framebuffers, which raises a question about what you put on the HD framebuffer?
If you put the contents of the split screens on the HD framebuffer - no (significant) performance hit, but what's actually the point of the tablets then?
If you put an independent 3D view of the environment (say, a top-down camera feed of the gaming environment) on there - you're now rendering one HD framebuffer and two tablet framebuffers; big performance hit.
If you put a simple image (Say, a simple map with blips for player locations) on there - Completely functional, and almost certainly a neglegible performance hit - but it's rather defeating the point of what is meant to be the primary display.
If you put nothing on there at all - excellent performance, but effectively you're playing with two handhelds in the same room. What advantages are you getting from putting it on a home console? Why not stick it on 3DS or Vita instead?
This is really a no-win situation for Nintendo... perhaps they know the cost it will take to make the U-Mote... so if they just limit it to 1 per console then it can be hidden as cost of the console as a package. If they allow 2 - 4 per console I can just imagine the reaction of $100+ controllers... Nintendo loses in either scenario.
Smiles and Cries
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man I really hope they get at least two U Controllers working on one console.
I cannot believe they only designed for one it must have been a hardware limitation that they are trying to find a solution for. Fix this before launch please don't make us wait years for a fix
I cannot believe they only designed for one it must have been a hardware limitation that they are trying to find a solution for. Fix this before launch please don't make us wait years for a fix
Jocchan said:
Yeah, it was obviously going to pose problems which is why some of us were so skeptical. The other problem is keeping all controllers in sync. The surprising thing is Nintendo have gone ahead with it anyway.
It's almost painful looking at the press photos of local multiplayer with the Wii U. If you have a new controller which offers a compelling new experience you'd want everyone to use it. It's odd to see Nintendo having to work around such a big flaw from the very start.
They need to get it to at least 2 to have sports games covered, or this is a question that is going to keep being asked about the system.
Wolves Evolve
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Krowley said:
That is fucking insane. So to play multiplayer, my friends have to bring over their Wiimotes and/or their CCs while I play an essentially different playmode in the same game. Are they going to release a new CC that can synch on its own? Are developers meant to plan for all these control options? All their demos are about 1 x unique player and 2-3 wiimote players.
I mean, I can see the opportunities with the design, sure. But you know you what would be cool? To have this asymmetrical gameplay AND possibilities for true multiplayer. You know, like fucking multiplayer.
Indeed, I'm honestly puzzled myself. They usually let these ideas cook in R&D till they're ready for the market. This time, it looks like they didn't.DECK'ARD said:
What's weird is that it seems to go heavily against Nintendo's focus on local multiplayer.DECK'ARD said:
If you're playing online, everyone has a tablet and all is fine with the world. But locally? You're basically limited to one game master-like player with a different role and everyone else playing on a Wii HD. What's the point?
I believe it's good that so many questions are asked, perhaps the backlash will have them consider engineering their framebuffer so that at least two tablets can be supported, and then leave up to the devs how to support them.DECK'ARD said:
I can totally expect compromises in terms of resolution and/or framerates for some games using more than one tablet.
I don't really see how they couldn't have support for multiple tablet controllers, as long as the game wasn't sending a huge amount of data to each one (e.g. maybe they can't send something like splitscreen Battlefield to 4 different controllers, but maybe menus or something. I'm not sure if that would save wireless bandwidth)
Smiles and Cries
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still we must admit that this U Controller is a pretty damn cool idea
I do want two controllers working but not if its going to mean framerate issues
lonely gaf will never need two
I do want two controllers working but not if its going to mean framerate issues
lonely gaf will never need two
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Well, you could buy those too? If you were willing to buy a second tablet controller why aren't you willing to buy the only controllers it has up for purchase?Wolves Evolve said:
How cool is that? And you could take turns! Or, you could also grab a wiimote + nunchuck or wiimote + whatever and play with parity in a different game mode.
I would say this could be an issue if this was the first time we saw a Wii system and they had to design for the first time for both the remote and for the tablet, but really, they've been designing gameplay with the CC for many years now (on other systems) the only difficulty is on the new controller and how to take advantage of it in unique ways (if they don't want to just make it a fancy CC). Even motion controllers have seen more use. Not by ALL developers, but between Wii and Move there are many examples.
You can have that, with modes that ask all players to use Wii controllers and make use of the tablet on some kind of shared non-concurrent actions or not at all. Hell it could even just have cosmetic uses in something like an FPS, showing scoreboards, (low quality if need be) replays, or whatever shit. In coop it could provide some sort of feedback for the whole team to make use of. Updating objectives or whatever else. Basically the same uses it can have in single player, minus the touch functions. Again, speaking only for local play with parity here, if one player got to actually use that controller you could have much cooler shit for everyone, not just that user.
The Dutch Slayer
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Than you have the same problem again like with the wii.Alextended said:
Problem now =
COD WM3 gets made you have a PC/360/PS3 version
And you have a wii version that is different because of the online, controls and GFX difference.
You will have the same problem again next year with WiiU
COD BO2 comes out for pc/360/PS3
And you have a WiiU version that is different because it has to support 3 diffent controllers.
WiiU mote, wii mote + num chuck and Clasic Controller.
And if the online is still dependent on the devs them selfs how much effort are you going to make in the WiiU online when you know your 360 sku is going to sell the best.....
When the Message to devs and publishers right now from nintendo is WiiU is the same as the 360/PS3 so please make a muliplatform game that is the same.
THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE, Nintendo is just confusing the marketplace even more.
(with the information that we know now)
Wolves Evolve said:
No you don't necessarily have a different playmode. Some games won't have asynchronous multiplayer. The controller has all the traditional buttons needed to match the classic controller, so multiplayer modes for something like a fighting game simply wouldn't have any reliance on the screen. They would only use the buttons, sticks, and pads. the player with the new pad controller, and the players with the CC would all be experiencing the same gameplay. The pad may feel different but it has no specific advantage other than the screen, which may not be used at all for those kinds of game modes.
Well you could use one of the classic controllers or whatever.Rlan said:
They should also look into treating the tablet controller as a regular controller even if the screen isn't going to be used, just for convenience purposes. I imagine this wouldn't be hard since it has the same inputs as a classic controller, basically.
Maybe having the controller have a bit of its own memory would be useful, so information can be loaded onto the controller and smaller signals can be sent during playtime.
Freezie KO
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The Dutch Slayer said:
1. There's no obligation to support anything more than what's in the box. For CoD BO2, you'll support the WiiTab for online and single-player gaming.
Now, I hope they'll support the Wiimote + nunchuk, otherwise I won't buy the game. But they don't have to.
2. We don't know what their online is, but at worst, it's run by the publishers which is something they might prefer in some cases like EA. Another "worst case" is that it's a single user friend code like 3DS that runs across the whole system, which isn't terribly different than usernames. Just more of a hassle.
Either way, these aren't comparable to a huge deficiency in RAM causing Call of Duty games to lose features and maps and killstreaks.
The Dutch Slayer
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The confusing part is that NINTENDO does not know what it wants, and if they do than do an EXTREMELY poor job of communicating that.Jocchan said:
Wolves Evolve
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Alextended said:
Because I have played with Wiimotes, all my friends have Wiis and Wiimotes. And playing them on their sides is something all my friends find horrendous. I quite like the CCPro but I don't like having to have it tethered.
Which is less convenient than doing the same on the other systems. Good job convincing me!
Well awesome, I can get into the unique opportunities for those single player games or even games where a second player is helping along like in Mario Galaxy.
Sorry to sound rude, but my original point wasn't that these options aren't interesting. They are. But they're less interesting than having them AND four tablet controllers with the same console, because then all sorts of weird multiplayer action is possible. Mario Kart with items. Ghost Recon with snipers on rooftops. AND all the asynchronous play types you mention.
You see the difference, right? One is merely a compromise made interesting for a few games, for a few circumstances. I bought a GBA and a Gamecube for Crystal Chronicles. I have a Wii Zapper. I'm a believer. But its not good enough to build a promise of a social world and then say this person is different, this person plays differently. Thats not We > You, thats We > Me. The difference is massive. I'm not the only one that thinks so, and the more people try to talk me into accepting it, the more uncomfortable I feel with getting excited about Wii U. I like sharing my game experiences with friends. I want to go over to my friends place and play a new Mario Kart without it being.... a bummer.
This would be a bummer.
Rlan said:
I'm thinking Smash with effectively a GM character could be awesome. They could control the stage! Or a boss character! Spawn powerups! Drop bombs!
Give them the objective of making the game last as long as possible and they'd be inclined to be impartial. And for the controller players, it becomes effectively "When you're winning, the very world starts fighting against you"
BocoDragon said:
We are all speculating about a big failure. This is the first time in my memory, in which a console forces a player to use the previous controller due to limitations in the console design. That is horrible. Period. And it is even more sad that we are speculating on the way out of this black hole. With the Wii was all clear. A clear idea, developed into an excellent controller, the wiimote, on local multiplayer, on immediacy, on a gem of a game created for the console that made ​​you feel in the future. Pure genius.
With Wii U they had a good idea with the pad. But to achieve it they completely denied the good things done in the past: the Wii U has only one controller, so goodbye local multiplayer, one of the best features of the Wii. True, there are new possibilities in local multiplayer with the new pad? But the price? We will lose the basic, essential characteristics of the local multy: we can't use anymore the same (new) controller.
Finally we can play Fifa in a multi local HD with the Wii U! Oh, no, sorry, only one will be able to use the pad, the others must remain in the previous generation: they have to use the old wiimote or the classic controller. But it is not included in the Wii U package! Sorry, go out and buy it!
I played thousands of games in a local multi Fifa or MW with the PS3, so I had tons of great moments with Wii Sports in 4. Now all this is over: the era of equality of the Wii, where all the children were happy each with one wiimote. Now they will fight hard to get hold of the symbol of power, the U-pad, and relegating others to defeat by playing the game with a simple, old wiimote. Do not underestimate this aspect ..
This combination of completely different controllers, this lack of clarity will certainly be bad for Nintendo: the more I think about this, the more I realize that they completely ficked up their strategy. A console comes out every five years, it was not required to come out with a castrated console.
The Dutch Slayer
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That is true they do not have to.Freezie KO said:
BUT than you have the same problem.
I can already see the reviews coming.
pc/360/ps3 review for COD BO2 in 2012
Great game more of the same like every year with COD 8.0
Review WiiU.
On a GFX standpoint its the same game, but because of the lack of splitscreen because you can't use more than 1 controller and because the online is not that well integrated its an 7.0.
(please don't go into "reviews" and "scores" this is just an example)
Nintendo does not want that, they WANT to be on par.
But if you can't be that out of the box how can you be on par with the current gens.
And lets not even talk about if "next" gen comes around for the 360 and ps3 and moves the bar even higher for nintendo that is impossible to reach for WiiU.
Its just the message is all wrong from nintendo that is the main problem at the moment.
They want to be "playing with the big boys" but they don't actually know how to to that.
And if they do NOT "want to play with the big boys" that is totally fine by me no problem.
I love my wii and have a lot of fun different games on there, but that just ensures me even more that on a muliplatform game I will never choose the WiiU version than.
I'm honestly quite bipolar about all this, by the way.
On one hand, I think up to four (or at least up to two) tablets could be very interesting for local multiplayer. On the other hand, I wouldn't want to abandon the Wiimote + nunchuk two-part setup completely.
On one hand, I think up to four (or at least up to two) tablets could be very interesting for local multiplayer. On the other hand, I wouldn't want to abandon the Wiimote + nunchuk two-part setup completely.
Starchasing
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ciccione said:
It is also the first time you dont have to spend lots of money to play local multiplayer...
its funny because until today local multiplayer was a second thought on most games, being online multiplayer the focus for most of them...
So what you're saying is that for traditional multiplayer experiences the display on the tablet is completely and utterly superfluous? Awesome.Krowley said:
Unless you don't own any Wii Remote/Nunchuk combos. I didn't get one in my last Happy Meal so I assume they're just as expensive as when I still owned my Wii. More tablets, more wiimote combos, either way its more money.Starchasing said:
So it sounds they are trying to avoid burdening the player with the expense of additional controllers. I guess that part makes sense, make multiplayer a unique thing for WiiU. Perhaps if they can justify additional controller they will but I'm not dropping extra hundreds of dollars for when guests come. Everyone already has a stockpile of wiimotes, just need some CCPs if you want 360/PS3 parity or keep doing what they have been doing with Wiimote and nunchuks. They never gave up anything in the control department.