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BBHoF voting results come out today. Looks like it's Biggio's time.
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Point of Odor: Lisa smells.
BBHoF voting results come out today. Looks like it's Biggio's time.
Rock And Roll
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Get ready for BBWAA stupidity everyone!
HarryDemeanor
Member
If Piazza goes in it'll be as a Met which is a damn shame.
Don't worry. He won't get in because BACKNE!
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
smh at piazza still not being in the hall
Ninja Scooter
Member
Craig Biggio makes the Hall of Fame before Mike PIazza, let alone Barry Bonds? Thanks for my yearly reminder that the Hall of Fame is garbage, baseball writers.
Original Famous Ray
Member
91% for Pedro? LOL Fuck is that shit?
As a Mets fan it sucks that Piazza isn't in but he'll get there eventually.
As a Mets fan it sucks that Piazza isn't in but he'll get there eventually.
lol no. As a casual Astros fan I feel Biggio and Bagwell should have went in the HoF together. Seems fitting
Oh God no, he's not.
Bagwell is "tainted" which is a fucking joke to begin with.
Yes, this.
Delicious Waffles
Member
Piazza not getting in is a joke.
What percentage did Biggio get last year?
What percentage did Biggio get last year?
Biggio missed it last year by one vote
Ninja Scooter
Member
Biggio was a good player who played for a very long time, but I can't ever remember thinking he was one of the 10 or so best players in baseball at any given time. Letting him in lowers the standard for the Hall of Fame (as if it's not tarnished enough as it is).
It's weird when he gets in over Bonds, Clemens, and Piazza.
matthewwhatever
Member
I think Biggio clearly deserves to be in. He's obviously nowhere near as good as lots of guys who got shafted, but he's still an excellent player. As Joe Posnanski wrote, "Without 3,000 hits, I don’t think Biggio would have any shot at getting 75 percent of the BBWAA vote, though he would deserve it. Getting 3,000 hits has little to do with what made Craig Biggio a Hall of Fame player."
Basing HoF admission on whether they seemed like a Hall of Famer at the time is a pretty nebulous standard. There's a reason why they have the five-year waiting period -- it's so that a player's case can be considered in a more objective light, rather than just on how that player makes you feel. He had a pretty impressive peak in the late '90s, and his overall numbers ended up being pretty good too.
Vote totals, in case anyone's interested:
Obviously, though, the whole process is still a joke. The only way it'll change is if they drastically change who gets to vote and how they do it -- I like the binary voting idea, but I doubt they'll ever adopt that, since it's too good an idea and it reduces the amount of grandstanding writers would get to do every year.
Basing HoF admission on whether they seemed like a Hall of Famer at the time is a pretty nebulous standard. There's a reason why they have the five-year waiting period -- it's so that a player's case can be considered in a more objective light, rather than just on how that player makes you feel. He had a pretty impressive peak in the late '90s, and his overall numbers ended up being pretty good too.
Vote totals, in case anyone's interested:
Obviously, though, the whole process is still a joke. The only way it'll change is if they drastically change who gets to vote and how they do it -- I like the binary voting idea, but I doubt they'll ever adopt that, since it's too good an idea and it reduces the amount of grandstanding writers would get to do every year.
captmcblack
Member
So the greatest hitting catcher ever to play isn't in the hall.
LOL
So Craig Biggio is in the hall, instead of the best hitter to ever exist, and the greatest pitcher of this era.
LOL
LOL
So Craig Biggio is in the hall, instead of the best hitter to ever exist, and the greatest pitcher of this era.
LOL
Plus, he played on the same team as Bags, who was someone many of us pegged as juicing back then. I'm surprised there's no guilt by association there. But yeah, his career, while long, was very unextraordinary. PEACE.
Delicious Waffles
Member
Oh. Guess it was bound to happen this year then.
Still ridiculous Piazza doesn't get in. I love how suspicion alone is keeping him out.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Pedro got in today
10% of baseball writers think he isn't a hall of famer
Ninja Scooter
Member
It's sort of a cruel, fucked up twist of fate, that Piazza and Bagwell hitting so many homeruns is what makes them, in part, Hall of Fame worthy, but also what makes them, in the eyes of some dumbass piece of shit writers, guilty of cheating.
And also still no Edgar, who was leagues better than Biggio and fuckers like Jim Rice? Fuck off, Hall of Fame.
And also still no Edgar, who was leagues better than Biggio and fuckers like Jim Rice? Fuck off, Hall of Fame.
HarryDemeanor
Member
I see Hall of Fame voting is still fucked.
"Son, he was the greatest bunter I'd ever seen."
Delicious Waffles
Member
Well said.
10% of the voters are outwardly racist.
Except that 10% are the best voters!
The BWAA members are very much guilty of being hypocrites and having their cake and eating it too.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
http://blogs.twincities.com/twins/2015/01/05/explaining-2015-hall-fame-ballot-2/
Thought this was a reasonable explanation as to why someone would leave off Pedro + Randy. Don't agree with it but I get it, if you think there are more than 10 guys who should be in right now then leave off the 2 who are slam dunks.
But even if there were 15 people who did this for both guys that would still leave 34 folks who didn't vote for Pedro which is still insane.
matthewwhatever
Member
Giles couldnt even get a vote
He was kind of a horrible person, but he had surprisingly impressive numbers. Not HoF-worthy by any stretch, but still pretty good, and he deserved votes more than players like Darin Erstad or Aaron Boone.
That's idiotic and speaks to just how fucking dumb the process is.
I've heard that argument before, and it still makes no sense to me. You drop the two worst guys to leave room for the legacy votes, which are waster votes anyway. You vote for the slam dunks to honor their effort. The hall voter pool is full of self righteous idiots. PEACE.
Little Green Yoda
Member
:lol
nobody will remember vote totals a week from now
the (worthy) guys on the bubble need the votes more than the guys at the top
I just wanted to see him get a few votes like maybe 5 just because he made my life as a Pirates fan for his stretch with us a little more interesting during obvious years where we knew were were going to be well below .500 in June and firesale probably coming up in July
Godzilla's Left Toe
Member
BWAA is a joke
matthewwhatever
Member
It is full of idiots, but that's a completely separate issue. Players drop off if they get less than 5%, and there are quite a few players at the lower end of the voting totals who either deserve to be in or merit strong consideraton. Just look at the guys who got less than 15%: Jeff Kent, Fred McGriff, Larry Walker, Gary Sheffield, Mark McGwire, Don Mattingly, Sammy Sosa, Nomar Garciaparra and Carlos Delgado. Not all of them deserve to be in the Hall, but at least two or three (maybe up to six or seven, depending on whether you're a Big/Small Hall believer) of them do. We've already seen guys like Kevin Brown and Kenny Lofton fall off the ballot because they didn't get 5%, so throwing votes to the non-inner circle players is perfectly legitimate.
Mr. Enigma
Member
Someone needs to make a new Hall of Fame.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I'd agree with this but as an example I thought Kenny Lofton deserved more of a look than he got, he's already off the ballot. The voting limit really wasn't an issue in the case of Lofton but as more and more guys don't get voted on because of steroids / the loosest accusations of steroids the logjam will get worse and worse.