vas_a_morir
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They've taken over Pittsburgh's story this year.
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MLB - Official 2012 Season Thread: Bringing in Bobby V to Change Our Culture |OT2|
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They've taken over Pittsburgh's story this year.
well here is hoping that with valverde on the mound the white sox can put a fun finish on at the end.
edit: lead off man on... come on at least get another guy on base so that the tying run is at the plate.
edit: got a run in but it's now 2 outs and no one on... come on 2 out magic.
edit: base hit... tying run at the plate... COME ON WHITE SOX.... btw I really wish there were other white sox fans or a tigers fan around... lol
at the very least this finish is exciting.
edit: nothing more disappointing then watching some bozo just watch strike three with the game on the line :/ I really don't get why a guy with a .198 BA was left in the game when there were better players left on the bench :/
edit: lead off man on... come on at least get another guy on base so that the tying run is at the plate.
edit: got a run in but it's now 2 outs and no one on... come on 2 out magic.
edit: base hit... tying run at the plate... COME ON WHITE SOX.... btw I really wish there were other white sox fans or a tigers fan around... lol
at the very least this finish is exciting.
edit: nothing more disappointing then watching some bozo just watch strike three with the game on the line :/ I really don't get why a guy with a .198 BA was left in the game when there were better players left on the bench :/
Dmncnby2k9
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nice player, wouldnt mind landing him. n wow, Os continue their run!
It's been noted that they're gonna shop Masterson and Perez in the offseason as well as Choo, but they'll hold on the Choo if they don't get a good enough offer, since they'll just make him a qualifying offer next year and get a comp pick if no one meets their price.
Just wondering what that is, essentially it should be whatever a year of Choo is worth + the equivalent of a 1st round/sandwich round pick. Is that a young, controllable RF + some sort of B-ish catching prospect?
Edit: ^ yeah, for me he fills the Jays LF hole for a year and is a very respectable leadoff hitter. Would be a great pickup.
The lineups may be a lot closer now that Utley and Howard are back. Look, I understand where you're coming from, but here's where I use your own words against you.
Without Utley and Howard for half the year, a loss of about 5 WAR (being generous looking back about two years), the Phillies fielded a triple A level squad. Today they sit at 38.2 fWAR.
The Nats played half the year without Werth, Morse and an ineffective Zimmerman (because of a shoulder injury). Since this is fantasy land, let's call it even. Today they sit at 47.6 WAR, better than the Reds or Rangers.
If that doesn't indicate a talent disparity, I don't know what to tell you. Yes, Utley is great when healthy, but the Phillies have no depth, and help isn't coming. Enjoy your winning streak.
Corran Horn
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Ninja Scooter
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Even if the Dodgers billion dollar lineup gets healthy and gets shit figured out next season, they still won't get by with the garbage staff they have after Kershaw. And it's not like the Free Agent pitching crop is deep. How about King Felix for....oh wait their farm system sucks.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Love fuckin' up the Angels. I can taste the division.
HarryDemeanor
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Yep. We won't get anywhere with the bullpen we've got now. Even if we made it to the playoffs we would've been a first round exit.
lazybones18
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Pujols just got his 30th HR for the season
Ninja Scooter
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I'm honestly surprised that they didn't take Lackey instead of Crawford in that deal. Granted they are both garbage contracts, but I'd have more faith in getting value out of Lackey coming back to the west coast, in a pitchers park, off tommy john surgery, and playing against the NL West, then I would of Crawford returning to form in his 30s. Maybe they tried and the Red Sox said no, but if that's the case, with the players LA gave up, their front office must have had their legs wide open for Boston.
Nobody cares
The Dodgers are 6-11 since the big trade and AGon has hit worse than James Loney.
.287, 30 HR, 96 RBI.
Really dang impressive considering his terrible start. Too bad about the team, though!
DUFFMCWALIN
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7 games up. Baller ass shit!
I love what the A's are doing. But any team that's trying to take down the Evil Empire will be getting a lot of attention.
I just get frustrated because the A's are doing on $50m what Baltimore is doing on $80m the A's should be a bigger story. The idiots on baseball tonight still do not believe the A's are a playoff team.
Mr. Enigma
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STANDINGS UPDATE FOR SEPTEMBER 12
IF THE SEASON ENDED TODAY:
AL East Tiebreaker: Yankees @ Orioles
AL Wild Card Game: Orioles @ Athletics or Athletics @ Yankees
NL Wild Card Game: Cardinals @ Braves
ALDS Game 1: Rangers @ Athletics -OR- Orioles -OR- Yankees
ALDS Game 1: White Sox @ Yankees -OR- White Sox @ Orioles
NLDS Game 1: Nationals @ Braves -OR- Cardinals
NLDS Game 1: Giants @ Reds
American League
EAST
LEADER: Orioles/Yankees
MAGIC NUMBER: --
CENTRAL
LEADER: White Sox
MAGIC NUMBER: 20
WEST
LEADER: Rangers
MAGIC NUMBER: 18
WILD CARD
LEADER #1: Athletics
LEADER #2: Yankees/Orioles
MAGIC NUMBER: --
REMAINING GAMES (bold = .500):
Rangers - 20 (1 v CLE, 3 v SEA, OFF, 3 @ LAA, 3 @ SEA, 4 v OAK, 3 v LAA, 3 @ OAK)
Yankees - 20 (1 @ BOS, 3 @ TB, OFF, 3 v TOR, 3 v OAK, 3 @ MIN, 4 @ TOR, 3 v BOS)
White Sox - 20 (1 v DET, 3 @ MIN, OFF, 3 @ KC, 3 @ LAA, 3 v CLE, 4 v TB, 3 @ CLE)
Athletics - 20 (1 @ LAA, 3 v BAL, OFF, 3 @ DET, 3 @ NYY, 4 @ TEX, 3 v SEA, 3 v TEX)
Orioles - 20 (1 v TB, 3 @ OAK, 3 @ SEA, OFF, 3 @ BOS, 4 v TOR, OFF, 3 v BOS, 3 @ TB)
Angels - 19 (1 v OAK, 3 @ KC, OFF, 3 v TEX, 3 v CWS, OFF, 3 v SEA, 3 @ TEX, 3 @ SEA)
Rays - 20 (1 @ BAL, 3 @ NYY, 4 v BOS, 3 v TOR, OFF, 2 @ BOS, 4 @ CWS, 3 v BOS)
Tigers - 20 (1 @ CWS, 3 @ CLE, OFF, 3 v OAK, 3 v MIN, 4 v KC, 3 @ MIN, 3 @ KC)
National League
EAST
LEADER: Nationals
MAGIC NUMBER: 11
CENTRAL
LEADER: Reds
MAGIC NUMBER: 8
WEST
LEADER: Giants
MAGIC NUMBER: 13
WILD CARD
LEADER #1: Braves
LEADER #2: Cardinals
MAGIC NUMBER: 19
REMAINING GAMES (bold = .500):
Nationals - 19 (OFF, 3 @ ATL, OFF, 3 v LAD, 4 v MIL, 3 @ PHI, 3 @ STL, 3 v PHI)
Reds - 18 (OFF, 3 @ MIA, OFF, 3 @ CHC, 3 v LAD, OFF, 3 v MIL, 3 @ PIT, 3 @ STL)
Giants - 19 (OFF, 3 @ ARI, 4 v COL, 3 v SD, OFF, 3 v ARI, 3 @ SD, 3 @ LAD)
Braves - 18 (OFF, 3 v WAS, 3 @ MIA, OFF, 3 @ PHI, OFF, 3 v MIA, 3 v NYM, 3 @ PIT)
Cardinals - 19 (4 @ LAD, OFF, 3 v HOU, 3 @ CHC, 3 @ HOU, OFF, 3 v WAS, 3 v CIN)
Dodgers - 19 (4 v STL, OFF, 3 @ WAS, 3 @ CIN, OFF, 3 @ SD, 3 v COL, 3 v SF)
Pirates - 20 (OFF, 4 @ CHC, 3 v MIL, 3 @ HOU, 4 @ NYM, 3 v CIN, 3 v ATL)
Brewers - 19 (OFF, 3 v NYM, OFF, 3 @ PIT, 4 @ WAS, 3 @ CIN, 3 v HOU, 3 v SD)
Phillies - 19 (4 @ HOU, 3 @ NYM, OFF, 3 v ATL, OFF, 3 v WAS, 3 @ MIA, 3 @ WAS)
IF THE SEASON ENDED TODAY:
AL East Tiebreaker: Yankees @ Orioles
AL Wild Card Game: Orioles @ Athletics or Athletics @ Yankees
NL Wild Card Game: Cardinals @ Braves
ALDS Game 1: Rangers @ Athletics -OR- Orioles -OR- Yankees
ALDS Game 1: White Sox @ Yankees -OR- White Sox @ Orioles
NLDS Game 1: Nationals @ Braves -OR- Cardinals
NLDS Game 1: Giants @ Reds
American League
EAST
LEADER: Orioles/Yankees
MAGIC NUMBER: --
Code:
W L GB
Orioles 80 62 ---
Yankees 80 62 ---
Rays 77 64 3.0CENTRAL
LEADER: White Sox
MAGIC NUMBER: 20
Code:
W L GB
White Sox 76 66 ---
Tigers 75 67 1.0WEST
LEADER: Rangers
MAGIC NUMBER: 18
Code:
W L GB
Rangers 85 57 ---
Athletics 82 60 3.0
Angels 77 66 8.5WILD CARD
LEADER #1: Athletics
LEADER #2: Yankees/Orioles
MAGIC NUMBER: --
Code:
W L GB
Athletics 82 60 +2.0
Orioles 80 62 ---
Yankees 80 62 ---
Rays 77 65 3.0
Angels 77 66 3.5
Tigers 75 67 5.0REMAINING GAMES (bold = .500):
Rangers - 20 (1 v CLE, 3 v SEA, OFF, 3 @ LAA, 3 @ SEA, 4 v OAK, 3 v LAA, 3 @ OAK)
Yankees - 20 (1 @ BOS, 3 @ TB, OFF, 3 v TOR, 3 v OAK, 3 @ MIN, 4 @ TOR, 3 v BOS)
White Sox - 20 (1 v DET, 3 @ MIN, OFF, 3 @ KC, 3 @ LAA, 3 v CLE, 4 v TB, 3 @ CLE)
Athletics - 20 (1 @ LAA, 3 v BAL, OFF, 3 @ DET, 3 @ NYY, 4 @ TEX, 3 v SEA, 3 v TEX)
Orioles - 20 (1 v TB, 3 @ OAK, 3 @ SEA, OFF, 3 @ BOS, 4 v TOR, OFF, 3 v BOS, 3 @ TB)
Angels - 19 (1 v OAK, 3 @ KC, OFF, 3 v TEX, 3 v CWS, OFF, 3 v SEA, 3 @ TEX, 3 @ SEA)
Rays - 20 (1 @ BAL, 3 @ NYY, 4 v BOS, 3 v TOR, OFF, 2 @ BOS, 4 @ CWS, 3 v BOS)
Tigers - 20 (1 @ CWS, 3 @ CLE, OFF, 3 v OAK, 3 v MIN, 4 v KC, 3 @ MIN, 3 @ KC)
National League
EAST
LEADER: Nationals
MAGIC NUMBER: 11
Code:
W L GB
Nationals 89 54 ---
Braves 81 63 8.5CENTRAL
LEADER: Reds
MAGIC NUMBER: 8
Code:
W L GB
Reds 87 57 ---
Cardinals 75 68 11.5
Pirates 72 70 14.0WEST
LEADER: Giants
MAGIC NUMBER: 13
Code:
W L GB
Giants 81 62 ---
Dodgers 74 69 7.0WILD CARD
LEADER #1: Braves
LEADER #2: Cardinals
MAGIC NUMBER: 19
Code:
W L GB
Braves 81 63 +5.5
Cardinals 75 68 ---
Dodgers 74 69 1.0
Pirates 72 70 2.5
Brewers 72 71 3.0
Phillies 72 71 3.0REMAINING GAMES (bold = .500):
Nationals - 19 (OFF, 3 @ ATL, OFF, 3 v LAD, 4 v MIL, 3 @ PHI, 3 @ STL, 3 v PHI)
Reds - 18 (OFF, 3 @ MIA, OFF, 3 @ CHC, 3 v LAD, OFF, 3 v MIL, 3 @ PIT, 3 @ STL)
Giants - 19 (OFF, 3 @ ARI, 4 v COL, 3 v SD, OFF, 3 v ARI, 3 @ SD, 3 @ LAD)
Braves - 18 (OFF, 3 v WAS, 3 @ MIA, OFF, 3 @ PHI, OFF, 3 v MIA, 3 v NYM, 3 @ PIT)
Cardinals - 19 (4 @ LAD, OFF, 3 v HOU, 3 @ CHC, 3 @ HOU, OFF, 3 v WAS, 3 v CIN)
Dodgers - 19 (4 v STL, OFF, 3 @ WAS, 3 @ CIN, OFF, 3 @ SD, 3 v COL, 3 v SF)
Pirates - 20 (OFF, 4 @ CHC, 3 v MIL, 3 @ HOU, 4 @ NYM, 3 v CIN, 3 v ATL)
Brewers - 19 (OFF, 3 v NYM, OFF, 3 @ PIT, 4 @ WAS, 3 @ CIN, 3 v HOU, 3 v SD)
Phillies - 19 (4 @ HOU, 3 @ NYM, OFF, 3 v ATL, OFF, 3 v WAS, 3 @ MIA, 3 @ WAS)
Rafa=FedKilla
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It doesn't matter brah, we are goin to win the division.
HarryDemeanor
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I bet that was all Ned. He thought Blanton and Beckett would be the pieces that would help strengthen that rotation but both of them haven't worked out at all. Everyone knows Victorino is out the door after the season is over and Ned must believe that Crawford would return to his All-Star days but nobody believes that will happen. This entire deal is going to bite us in the ass for years to come.
We've got problems all over the place. Hell I don't know what we're going to do with Mattingly.
endresults
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ESPN: If it didn't happen on the eastern seaboard, it didn't happen.
The Dodgers have all the starting pitching they need in Kershaw, apparently. Lackey's a dirtbag anyway, filing for divorce after his wife had a double mastectomy and was still going through chemo.
As an A's fan I have to say this is absolutely fucking ridiculous on five different levels... the main one being
Cespedes 1.6 WAR
Trout 8.7 WAR
Mr. Enigma
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sf2fanatic
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Hard to catch up to a team when their worse losing streak this year is 5 games
well done...Hopefully we join you guys in the playoffs via wildcard
Big 4 game set this weekend
I LOL that whole month when GAF clowned him....
His last couple of years he's been a slow starter
Everything from WAR and UZR to avg/obp/slg and down to stupid counting stats like stolen bases and runs, the only way Cespedes is ahead of Trout when you get down to "has better pitchers on his team"... so if Cespedes is the reason AJ Griffin has given up 14 runs in his 10 starts, then yeah he deserves to win.
Edit: Yoenis Cespedes: Rookie of the Year in Any Other Year (Fangraphs from 8/2)
Edit: Yoenis Cespedes: Rookie of the Year in Any Other Year (Fangraphs from 8/2)
This post reeks of homerism.
Obviously the Phillies had the best record the past two seasons but what do that have to do with this year and the product on the field for 2012? The lineups may be "close" but our bench destroys any case for that. The only thing I'd be afraid of is your pitching staff.
Like Fox said, we've missed Werth for 2 1/2 months, Desmond for a good 3-4 weeks, Zimmerman for 4 weeks (and his first couple of months were ugly) and Morse for 2 months - not to mention Ramos for the entire season give or take a month. Guys like Lombardozzi, Moore, and Bernadina have stepped it up big time. And the offense has still, somehow, performed.
I'm not going to ignore the fact that you guys have been really hot since August but both teams have been the same, with the Nats having the slight edge. The Nats are 28-13 since the beginning of August while the Phillies are 26-13. Yeah, you've guys smoked us in both series, though, but we still have 2 left. We'll let the rest of September do the talking since it's pretty much pointless to argue when one has performed all year round and is at the top.
Mr. Enigma
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He does have a point. The Nats never missed a beat no matter who or how many people got hurt.
At this point the Dodgers should most definitely be contracted at the end of the season. I'm not sure about the technical details of getting that $2 billion back to Magic Johnson and his associates, but I'm sure someone can figure something out. Chavez Ravine would be a good place to build a nuclear power plant, or maybe a water park.
I can't remember what happens to the players when a team is contracted. Do they all become free agents, or is there a waiver process? It would be funny if Boston somehow managed to get Beckett and Crawford again.
I can't remember what happens to the players when a team is contracted. Do they all become free agents, or is there a waiver process? It would be funny if Boston somehow managed to get Beckett and Crawford again.
Dominican Power
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I basically responded to that comment twice, and it wasn't until now that I noticed he wrote MVP not RoY... because at least RoY would make sense on some level
But if he's an A's fan basing MVP voting on the playoffs, he should be pimping Jerry Blevins for facing two batters and increasing the A's playoff odds by 10%.
HarryDemeanor
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I think they have a draft for those players.
Mr. Enigma
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HarryDemeanor is officially sliding into insanity. Can't blame him, though. The Cardinals are practically begging someone to snatch WC #2 from them and the Dodgers and Pirates keep falling all over each other..
HarryDemeanor
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You mean Puddles. I'm still keeping it together even though it's been tough!
Corran Horn
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HarryDemeanor
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Racist
BaltimoreLarry
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I'm pretty sure it hasn't been 15 years since Oakland had any success.
/facepalm
yankeehater
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I dont see how it reeks of homerism at all. I aid the Nats have a better lineup but the Phils definitely have better pitching. I just dont see how there is this huge talent disparity between the teams. The Nats have been great all year but the Phil hav been playing great since getting their team back. Hopefully they meet in the playoffs and we can see if the Nats really are that much better.
turnbuckle
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Tigers fan here, but since this got moved to community and isn't stickied I often don't even think to post. I gave it the college try awhile back but no other Tigers fans were here and it kinda feels like talking to yourself
Looking forward to the game tonight. Even if the Tigers pull even they have a weird way of only being able to beat the White Sox lately.
Because you got the blinders on. You made claims and posted stats that didn't have anything to do with the records or talent difference. It's there. Your optimized lineup is great, but that's just that. Without Utley or Howard, it's really nothing exciting.
You are right. The AL West is a much tougher division than the AL East.
yankeehater
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Why would we be looking at the lineup without Utley or Howard, is something going to happen to them? Also Jimmy has really turned it on of late, and they are getting good production out of the catcher spot. JP, Ty, and Nix have been getting a lot of clutch hits off the bench as well. I still dont see how their is a great talent disparity between the teams.
Because that's where the argument is? If you guys had a deep team, you could be where you were supposed to be... but you aren't. Missing Utley and Howard sucks. I know that. But if you blame your disappointing season on those injuries then you're missing the point. We've missed out on many great players this whole year yet our bench has enough talent to keep up with other major league lineups.
I'm also not saying Utley and Howard are your only guys since Ruiz is a beast of a man and Rollins is handling himself well... but i am saying that without those two guys, you dont have anything to really fit in when they're absent.
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