MLK Day Protesters Block Traffic on the Bay Bridge

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Pork said:
But aren't non-allies exactly the people you want to convert? To have sympathy for you, so that you can get them to be on your side? And make more of a change?

If this is creating more support for the movement/getting more people to be sympathetic to the cause, then yeah, I'd say this is a good move. But if this is generating more support from only the people who were already supporting it anyway, then it'd say it's a bad one.
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These conditional allies don't give a shit about anything but their own comfort. They will never, ever step up for black people. BLM has been going on for years now. Where have they been? What has to be done for them before they'll do anything for anyone else?
 
Pork said:
But aren't non-allies exactly the people you want to convert? To have sympathy for you, so that you can get them to be on your side? And make more of a change?

If this is creating more support for the movement/getting more people to be sympathetic to the cause, then yeah, I'd say this is a good move. But if this is generating more support from only the people who were already supporting it anyway, then it'd say it's a bad one.
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Sorry I should have clarified that wasn't my personal position. I was mirroring the inevitable response we get in these threads whenever someone calls out these kind of actions as detrimental to the movements efforts to garner support.
 
Pork said:
But aren't non-allies exactly the people you want to convert? To have sympathy for you, so that you can get them to be on your side? And make more of a change?

If this is creating more support for the movement/getting more people to be sympathetic to the cause, then yeah, I'd say this is a good move. But if this is generating more support from only the people who were already supporting it anyway, then it'd say it's a bad one.
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People are apathetic enough, so sometimes a little jolting to lives and thoughts of others is what's needed. You can ignore a protest off to the side, there's been plenty of those, but you can't ignore this, and if it turns people away from a very important and real issue to a lot of people, then so be it.

BkzUzi said:
They should have continued driving.
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Go on.
 
hokahey said:
Oh believe me, I have. And I get it. I just disagree with this doing anything to get people on their side.

And it's sad how some people jump my shit without attempting intelligent discourse. I'm on the protestors side. They don't need to win me over. But shit won't change without influencing a lot of people that aren't currently on their side. And I simply disagree that this particular technique is fruitful.

Mother fuck me all you want.
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Pretty much where I stand. But it seems that those who disagree with this tactic "just don't get it" as if there's only one correct opinion.

Sorry, but to enact reform, you do actually need power in numbers and you need to appeal to try to influence people. When people blocked the bridges in my city months back, all it did was create resentment toward their movement.

DontBeThatGuy said:
People are apathetic enough, so sometimes a little jolting to lives and thoughts of others is what's needed. You can ignore a protest off to the side, there's been plenty of those, but you can't ignore this, and if it turns people away from a very important and real issue to a lot of people, then so be it.
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Except it goes from, "Hey they are protesting good for them" to creating resentment.
I'd argue that resentment will be harder to convert than apathy.
 
I feel like we should just merge a bunch of threads into the Cinematic GAF Universe
THE PURGE: Black Lives Matter vs Chic-Fil-A Executives (not the employees, they're too nice)
 
BronsonLee said:
DON'T YOU SPOIL THAT NEARLY 20 YEAR OLD MOVIE FOR ME, GORDON
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Kerned said:
Yeah? That's your answer? Kill 'em all?
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Probably looks at them like dogs..hates dogs..
 
non American here, are BLM actually making any inroads with their protesting? I know you folks are in an election cycle so it's become a talking point for some candidates but do people think positive change is coming in regards to how black Americans are treated by the establishment?

no ulterior motive just interested in getting some insight
 
Formless said:
It's probably the exact opposite way to get (edit: those who aren't already sympathetic) white people to care
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At this point I don't care about people caring any more. I'm not convinced that "people care" -> "something gets done" is the answer. Maybe "people get annoyed" -> "something gets done" works better. Or maybe "something gets done" -> "people care" is the direction it works.

If I was a politician my slogan would be "I'm not asking you to give a fuck." When a house is on fire we don't have a town meeting to decide if we care about the family enough to send the fire department. Police brutality, and other burning parts of the criminal justice system, are flagrant violations of due process and cruel and unusual punishment. The system needs a severe overhaul. But it doesn't necessarily need you to give a fuck; it's possible to vote for candidates who focus on the issue without spending any of the rest of your time thinking or caring about it.

So when you see protests, don't interpret them simply as wanting you to care. I can definitely see how that would be annoying. Caring is hard, and there are so many things. Instead, interpret them as wanting you to either care, or help get it fixed while still not giving a fuck.
 
Ya know, gotta love the people who fucking get bothered more by inconvenience than the deaths and subhuman treatment of fellow human beings as a result of their darker skin color. I really feel for you guys.:( I mean damn it's depressing.
 
Blocking traffic...the only protest that I can think of that pisses off everyone including those who would support them...and ambulance drivers...and firemen...
 
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";192597641]How about all the other worthy causes?[/QUOTE]

Let's rank all causes by the number of secondary fake GAF accounts that only exist to shitpost against the cause. Evidently, this one here would win.
 
So is this action meant to persuade, or punish...or persuade through punishment? Something else entirely?

Currently I'm failing to see how this helps the BLM movement in any way.
 
Hagi said:
non American here, are BLM actually making any inroads with their protesting? I know you folks are in an election cycle so it's become a talking point for some candidates but do people think positive change is coming in regards to how black Americans are treated by the establishment?

no ulterior motive just interested in getting some insight
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Small things in local areas.
 
I respect the fact that they're protesting and what they're protesting for. It's good stuff.

But shutting down a highway will only get them arrested and annoy the people on the highway. Nobody is sitting in that traffic thinking "fuck yeah, BLM". Especially not emergency vehicles.

I know that protests shouldn't be required to accomodate those who aren't protesting, but something irks me about shutting down roads.

Power to them for their protests at government buildings and political rallies though, I usually tune in to those.
 
Hagi said:
non American here, are BLM actually making any inroads with their protesting? I know you folks are in an election cycle so it's become a talking point for some candidates but do people think positive change is coming in regards to how black Americans are treated by the establishment?

no ulterior motive just interested in getting some insight
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They have definitely had an impact on how presidential candidates look at issues affect the black community. While so far they have been mostly questions at debates, it could lead to some policy change in the future.
Efforts like BLM have also probably affected some of the president's comments on law enforcement and violence as well. So that was a long way to say, maybe we'll have to wait and see. One of the bigger things is the growing adaptation of police body cams.
 
while it does suck for the people on the bridge you can't allow your message to be lost. if you are always convenient then people won't care.
 
Are they actually blocking emergency services or is that just a hypothetical? I would assume that there would be emergency services stationed on each side of the bridge, it would make no sense to go along something that long (eyeballing from Google Maps).
 
Hagi said:
non American here, are BLM actually making any inroads with their protesting? I know you folks are in an election cycle so it's become a talking point for some candidates but do people think positive change is coming in regards to how black Americans are treated by the establishment?

no ulterior motive just interested in getting some insight
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no.
 
ZeroX03 said:
Are they actually blocking emergency services or is that just a hypothetical? I would assume that there would be emergency services stationed on each side of the bridge, it would make no sense to go along something that long (eyeballing from Google Maps).
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I don't know if it's different in the US. But here in Europe, people are obliged to form a rescue lane in traffic jams:

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Failure to do so can result in harsh fines. I guess it's the same in the US. In that case, there is no reason to worry about hypothetical emergencies. After all, traffic jams happen all the time, no matter the reason. So I really do not see the issue here. Most likely it's just an inconvenience. And as others have rightly pointed out, almost all protests, willingly or unwillingly, need to be slightly inconvenient to be heard. And a traffic jam is on the lower end of inconveniences.
 
ZeroX03 said:
Are they actually blocking emergency services or is that just a hypothetical?
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Nope. Just something constant said in these thread. That, and the hate bread by inconvenience..
Slayven said:
MLK would be fucking demonized if he was around today


He wouldn't be asking why BLM is blocking the bridge, he would be asking why 60 years later they still have to block a bridge
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How dare you assume what the great doctor would think? You don't have your head on straight enough..
 
Bay Maximus said:
"Yeah, yeah, yeah I'm for your struggle but don't fucking inconvenience me."
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"If you want me to be on your side, cater to my needs. Protest in the way I want you to protest. Don't do or say anything to get in my way of my daily routine. Don't annoy me with your message.

If you do all of these. I might listen to you. Sometimes. Until the next iPhone comes out tho"
 
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