Come off it. Nobody's changing shit unless they're forced to look it dead in the eyes.
MLK Day Protesters Block Traffic on the Bay Bridge
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Come off it. Nobody's changing shit unless they're forced to look it dead in the eyes.
MiniBossBattle
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Update from my friend who got out after three hours because of the blockage: People turned off their cars. Black and white people pissed off at the stoppage (didn't know why it was stopped), dude was performing backflips since all the car stopped, people lane splitting bikes, skateboards and electric skateboards in the opposite direction of traffic and lots of selfies on the bridge.
Mario Woods was shot by SFPD just last month, with video so it is still fresh in people mind.
If your opinion on the value of black lives is swayed by being stuck in traffic for a few minutes. Keep your minds.
A Link to the Past
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Ignorance and willful ignorance are not the same thing.
shadowsdarknes
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"Don't critique them" because I said so. Yeah no thanks we should be able to have a discussion about this.
DrForester
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They staged an armed takeover of a Government building
They bought women and children as human shields
They've destroyed property
All in the name of striking fear into people.
People have different levels of tolerances of radical protesting. Personally, I draw the line at disrupting critical services. If I were in the group of people organizing this protest, I'd be the voice saying 'We shouldn't do a protest that could disruptive fire fighters or ambulances". I'm not comfortable with the potential consequences of that protest. That doesn't mean I am a part of systematic oppression.
Coffee Dog
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calling people racist is rude
so i'll just say you conveniently disagree from the correct position in nearly every discussion about civil rights, equality, race relations, and institutionalized racism, and it has begun to impact people's perceptions of your character
DontBeThatGuy
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It did, and it continues to do so. Some schools closed down for the week, people that are supposed to be working there aren't(probably still get paid though), you have people in the community railing against them, there's talk of use of intimidation, threats and harassment against locals and feds, destroyed federal property, and probably more than I'm forgetting.
So, yeah, that armed "militia" has absolutely done more harm than traffic-clogging, unarmed protest.
Subpar Spatula
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You're still going on with this hypothetical concern. Your potential consequences don't happen. Stop the absurdity.
freeofgreed
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How about you defending the use of blackface or the thread where you defended the police when 6 of them took down a crippled man?
DrForester
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Also all the money that it costs the town to not have that place in operation and all the money it will cost to fix all the stuff they've destroyed.
NoblesseOblige
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Why can't they protest somewhere more appropriate. You know, someplace where white people such as me won't see them. I don't like when my privileged ignorance about the plight of others is dispelled. It's just taking me from blissfully unaware to righteously angry towards minorities.
I hope it's clear the above is a parody. I support what BLM is doing with protests such as these.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Institutionalized racism is still around because it's profitable, not because BLM hasn't been co-opted by the Soul Train awards
shadowsdarknes
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Well how dare they! All those drivers should have been smiling and sympathetic and left their cars and joined them.
And even if you don't agree that you are part of the problem I would just ask you guys this:
Why does impeding traffic bother you so much? Why is order so important to you?
Why did this thread make you need to let people know how blocking traffic bothers you so much?
Coffee Dog
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What do you want to discuss, bud? What black people need to do to make this struggle more palatable to you?
Do you find a discussion worth having there? Do you think there are two sides with legitimate points? Because I see opinions that enable the status quo, and opinions that allow people to speak for themselves.
There's always reasons why there shouldn't be any inconvenience and why things should just keep on going the way they are, eh
The line is fairly blurry for anyone who has internet access.
Indeed, people should at least admit that they would have the same response to MLK's tactics then that they have now - it's the same situation, what would be the reason for the discrepancy in response to the two identical situations?
And I'm not even saying that to try and make people feel bad about themselves - from a coldly logical perspective, that is what you would have done. Simple as that.
To address some hypothetical as well: considering the ubiquity of traffic apps these days any emergency vehicle should be routed around the protest. And if they are caught by the very beginning of the protest before it registers in the systems, well then the protesters can easily let the emergency vehicle through since it is right up at the front. There is also no school today and it is a federal holiday - in fact, it is a federal holiday memorializing this very form of protest.
DontBeThatGuy
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You have a judge talking about billing this Bundy filth 70k A DAY for their absolute fuckery, and this guy has the audacity to compare the two in a way that is much more negative towards these protests? Unbelievable.
Kid Kamikaze10
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Bingo...
And for the folks in the back, guess what this blocked traffic does? Makes the continuation of said institutional racism unprofitable. A disruption, and inconvenience. JUST LIKE IN THE 60s!
I don't view important services like fire fighters and ambulances being disrupted as simply "inconveniences".
shadowsdarknes
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We can have a discussion on whether or not something is appropriate. But comments saying, "Don't critique them because I'm in favor of this" isn't exactly conducive to conversation.
Tesseract
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they are not the same thing, sorry to burst your bubble
like has been said, 2016 is a radically faster world than 1965
this kind is disruption is irresponsible and dangerous, does no favors to our cause
if that fact falls flat on you, we're at odds ends with each other re: how we protest
A Link to the Past
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Not really? Willful ignorance is active, ignorance is inactive.
Are you still of a mind that MLK would reject this kind of protesting if he were still around?
What did he mean by this?
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Lmao at that page 1 alt account throwaway. What a coward
As far as the protests go, I dont see much debate. They got their point across that they won't be ignored and if it's illegal then they'll get cleared out
As far as the protests go, I dont see much debate. They got their point across that they won't be ignored and if it's illegal then they'll get cleared out
Sure would suck if people were to be killed by public services that didn't work the way they were intended
Oh wait
The cause of monsters?
My GF who works at the hospital.
Like I said, today's protest would't have impacted it, but it's been done in the past. And Children's is far from a hospital that caters to "the rich." They take everyone, and because of their level of care, usually end up with transfers from other local hospitals.
EDIT: To put it into perspective how close Children's is to the bridge, when the bridge collapsed in '89, doctors and nurses from Children's were first responders because they could simply reach it on foot.
I stand corrected on that point. Knew they had holed up in a building in a wildlife sanctuary. Didn't know that schools ~30 miles away had been shut down because of it.
You should reconsider a moral stance where the line is drawn as soon as it inconveniences you.
Also why is such a big deal made about ambulances and other emergency services? Unless someone is on fire ON the bridge, I recall San Francisco and Oakland having their own respective hospitals.
Subpar Spatula
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You're still ignoring the part where you're not bringing up incidents where people died or how something horrific occurred because of a traffic protest.
Why do you insist on this train of thought? This is the same type of logic that's against gender neutral bathrooms.
I tried googling it and I found #ShutItDown preventing an ambulance from passing but the person inside ended up OK.
You're really grasping with sources aren't you?
Alex Stroud
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It's insightful. Don't question it.
Don't forget about emergent ignorance. The very fact that a group is a minority diminishes their visibility. Anything requiring significant capital backing will ignore them to seek the most immediate returns.
shadowsdarknes
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If I were Mayor, I'd take further action to make sure that protests like these do not continue to happen in my city. I'd do that by implementing reforms while simultaneously making sure large groups of people do not impede traffic for hours on end.
Can you imagine the disaster if people stormed the traffic tunnels to NYC?
Acerac
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Hahaha, aren't you a Bernie Sanders supporter?
Tesseract
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don't forget pieces of shit, describing anyone who blocks traffic like this
freeofgreed
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You have failed to elaborate on why this form of protest is is acceptable in the 60s but not in 2016? Saying it's "faster" doesn't mean anything and comes of as nonsense. What's the big difference between now and then?
The thing is, the sooner everybody joins in, the faster we can clear traffic.
Because you know how the whole systemic racism thing is the actual cause of the hold up.
It's true that I don't know the area at all and cannot speak to how it affects that exact area. I'm talking about blocking a busy road/bridge in general. It is possible that what I do not know about that exact area could change how I feel about the protest.
Coffee Dog
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this works. it has worked in the past. there is precedent.
Either you agree, or you're a history denier. And when you're telling black people that they shouldn't go to what works, you better have another answer.
Tesseract
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yes, i believe he'd advocade different approaches for a different time
freeofgreed
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Again why are you so focused on this hypothetical when it's not even what happened?
NoblesseOblige
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I'm glad the reincarnation of MLK Jr. is here to tell us what MLK Jr. would or wouldn't approve of.
Subpar Spatula
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Oddly, not being able to present solid examples of harm caused by traffic protests isn't swaying your determination but "what I do not know about that exact area could change how I feel about the protest" does? I can confidently say you're not looking at it as a traffic issue but a "BLM is protesting again" issue.
Just stop talking about the idiots at Malheur until you do some more research. Please.
The are NOT holed up. They come and go at will. They go into town whenever they want. They travel miles away to destroy fences. They built a shitty fucking road through the wildlife refuge. They are destroying whatever they want. They receive mail.
So stop.
shadowsdarknes
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Yeah the whole point is that that blocking traffic for everyone (not just white people) isn't going to make people join in.
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