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So no Barnett? Disappointing. Too bad, we are missing out on some good fights vs Mir, Werdum, Bigfoot and a Nog rubber match. He easily kills the Kongo, Struve & Nelson tier of HW. The HW division can use an elite grappler like Barnett on its roster
 
So no Barnett? Disappointing. Too bad, we are missing out on some good fights vs Mir, Werdum, Bigfoot and a Nog rubber match. He easily kills the Kongo, Struve & Nelson tier of HW. The HW division can use an elite grappler like Barnett on its roster

nope, nelson and struve both KO him and kongo kicks him in the balls for mighty mo

barnett is such a can
 

Heel

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The difference is Steam is:
1. Wholly independent and not beholden to shareholder interests
2. Part of a larger, unregulated market of games
3. Convenient
4. Prices are cheap

The client still sucks though.

Just look at the pricing on XBLA and PSN and take a look into the future.

But really, all 3 of those "features" in the rumor completely put me off from buying it.

They should look to Apple on how to run a closed, competitive digital marketplace that's good for consumers and pays billions to publishers.

You'd be hemming and hawing on whether or not to spend 99 cents on the next Halo game or wait until it's free, playboy.
 

VASPER

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So no Barnett? Disappointing. Too bad, we are missing out on some good fights vs Mir, Werdum, Bigfoot and a Nog rubber match. He easily kills the Kongo, Struve & Nelson tier of HW. The HW division can use an elite grappler like Barnett on its roster

Yes he is a fool for not taking the offer, get some wins under your belt Barnett and get paid more dumb dumb.
 

FACE

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using FL Studio.

ain't Sepultura from BH? straight to the mecca.

Oh, that one went way over my head.

I google FL studio and found this:

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What the fuck is that? Program hertz brayn.
 
Next gen is gonna suck with this whole dawn of the DLC microtransations always online no used games bullshit.

Durango is sounding worse and worse and worse by the day. Hope Orbis isn't the same.
 

FACE

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Vio-Lence

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Fuck the bore, they didn't accept me when I registered there.
Ya I was declined as well. Need to talk to boogie. Out of all the splinter groups o prefer opa-ages.
Their riff on this sites headmaster's travels on Europe were quite humorous.
 

bone_and_sinew

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Console Wars are fun to watch from afar, specially when you're bored.
who cares what console the Untermenschen play their JRPGS and effeminate action games on. Master Race is PC exclusive.
Countless of kings and queens have been struck down by what started as peasant and slave revolts throughout history. I'm not outraged by the anti-used games measures, I haven't bought a used game in like 4 years. I don't hold any loyalties, I'm a gaming free-agent for next-gen. But you'd be fools to think this stuff won't affect you somehow. This isn't 15 years ago where PC and consoles exited on parallel planes independent of eachother. Especially when third parties are increasingly putting their console games on it. Gaming is a market where pretty much everything is interconnected nowadays.
 

bone_and_sinew

breaking down barriers in gratuitous nudity
Manhoef is apparently in the UFC at 170!!!!!! I seriously hope they put him against Thiago Alves
Source? Not that I don't believe you or anything but it's the source I may not believe :p

Kampmann, Paulo Thiago would be good scraps too.

edit: Oooh I just thought of a good one. Siyar Bahadurzada. There'd be some Golden Glory/Mike's Gym beef there too.
 

TheChits

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Source? Not that I don't believe you or anything but it's the source I may not believe :p

Kampmann, Paulo Thiago would be good scraps too.

edit: Oooh I just thought of a good one. Siyar Bahadurzada. There'd be some Golden Glory/Mike's Gym beef there too.

Jorge Guimaraes, the manager of team Black House, said so.
 
manuffu hasn't signed a deal yet, he's just training at black house now and trying to get a deal

he'll probably come in as a last minute replacement for someone if he can make the weight
 

Boogie

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So apparently Barnett was satisfied with the money, but, according to his lawyer "However, there are some outlying issues -- one in particular -- that as of this point we were unable to agree on"

Some speculation is that the UFC wouldn't let Barnett pro wrestle in Japan.

I think Barnett just knows that he can't cut it against top heavyweight competition in 2013 and doesn't want to be exposed as a fraud. :p
 

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Plans for championship matches and key main events in several different weight classes had to be changed based on the fallout of UFC 156 on 2/2 at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas.

The PPV show featured three major upsets. Alistair Overeem, coming off his drug suspension, was knocked out in the third round by Antonio “Bigfoot” Silva. Overeem, who was big and muscular, but not at the freaky level of a year ago, had won the first two rounds and seemed on the way to a lackluster decision. When the third round came out, both men charged the ring and bonked heads. Overeem got the worst of the collision, and suddenly Silva was teeing off on him and finished him.

While nothing has been said yet, nor have any deals been completed, the new heavyweight direction if all goes well would be Velasquez vs. Silva for the title and Overeem vs. Junior Dos Santos as a No. 2 fight on the same show, tentatively on 5/25 in Las Vegas.

With Rashad Evans losing to Antonio Rogerio Nogueira via decision, all talk of Anderson Silva defending against Evans, cutting to 185 is out the window, leaving a clear path for Silva vs. Chris Weidman, earmarked for the summer, when Weidman is able to return after shoulder surgery.

In the main event, featherweight champion Jose Aldo Jr. won a close decision over Frankie Edgar. Aldo’s next opponent came out of left field, in Anthony Pettis. Pettis had been scheduled to face the winner of the Benson Henderson vs. Gilbert Melendez lightweight title match coming off his quick finish of Donald Cerrone on 1/26. But after Aldo beat Edgar, Pettis texted Dana White, said he could make 145 and wanted a shot at Aldo. White put the match together, which left Ricardo Lamas furious. Lamas, when beating Erik Koch on 1/26, thought he was going to get a shot at the winner. There is at least movement of putting Lamas vs. Chan Sung Jung with the winner getting the next shot.

Aldo vs. Pettis is earmarked for an 8/3 PPV date that would come from either Las Vegas, Texas, Rio de Janeiro or Chicago. It was a surprise because there was a good chance whoever emerged as lightweight champion after 4/20 would be ready to face Pettis by that time. Pettis said he would rather face Aldo, saying he thought the featherweight champion was a tougher opponent than the lightweight champion and he piked that title first because he wanted to test himself against the better fighter. He did say his goal would be eventually to face the lightweight champion. Dana White indicated to us that should Pettis win, he’d want him to defend the title at featherweight a couple of times before giving him a chance to become the first simultaneous two weight class champion.

In addition, Joseph Benavidez won a decision over Ian McCall to put him as a solid No. 2 in the flyweight division behind only champion Demetrious Johnson. Benavidez and McCall were the top two contenders, but Johnson beat Benavidez to become the first champion on 9/22 in Toronto. It would be quick for a rematch, but the division doesn’t have a lot of depth.

The show drew a near sellout of 10,275 with a gate of $2,437,000 according to an announcement by UFC officials after the show. The breakdown of the gate should be available next week.

We don’t have a PPV figure at press time, but early returns indicate it did better than most expectations, far more than any prior show headlined by Aldo, as well as more than any headlined by Edgar. A lot of the success was due to the depth, most notably Overeem and Evans in the No. 2 and No. 3 matches.

The big surprise were the TV ratings for the prelims on FX, which did 1,897,000 viewers, the largest audience for any MMA television show since the company had moved its top cable programming to FX at the beginning of 2012. It broke the 1,860,000 record set two weeks earlier for the main card of the Vitor Belfort vs. Michael Bisping fight. The surprise is that the prelims were headlined by Evan Dunham vs. Gleison Tibau, and the other three fights were fighters in their UFC debuts, coming over from Strikeforce.

It was also the second largest audience ever for prelims, behind only the 2.0 million set on the February 5, 2011, show on Spike that featured matches with Chad Mendes and Donald Cerrone. Historically, the Super Bowl Saturday night prelims have always done strong numbers and that doesn’t necessarily correlate to PPV. In 2010, Spike set a prelims record on Super Bowl Saturday with 1.7 million viewers before the UFC 109 PPV that did less than 300,000 buys.

In the main event, Frankie Edgar became the real Heartbreak Kid, arguably the best fighter in UFC history to lose three fights in a row. Aldo got the decision on scores of 49-46, 48-47 and 49-46 of a fight that could have been reasonably scored either way. There were three solid rounds, with Aldo winning the first and second and Edgar winning the fourth. Rounds three and five could have gone either way. I had Edgar winning both of those rounds and taking the fight. Our poll was close, with Aldo at 51%, Edgar at 44% and 6% having it even. When it came to significant strikes landed, Aldo had a 21-5 and 19-7 edge in the first two rounds. Edgar had a 15-11, 11-7 and 18-14 edge in rounds three through five, although Aldo’s punches that landed were harder. Edgar got a few momentary takedowns but there was no groundwork to speak of. Aldo landed more to the head, and Edgar, whose face was cut up while Aldo’s wasn’t, looked the worse for wear.

Dana White said he thought it was close, that Aldo won, but that he didn’t see doing an immediate rematch. He also said he didn’t want Edgar fighting at lightweight, even though he spent most of his career there and had been champion at that weight. You could make an argument still should be based on his last fight with Benson Henderson, where the majority of viewers thought he won. White felt that constantly fighting against guys so much bigger than him wasn’t good for his career long-term. Edgar’s real weight was about 158 when he fought at 155, which is about the size of some of the bigger bantamweights. Edgar was disappointed, perhaps crushed, coming in on the wrong end of three close decisions in a row in title fights. He didn’t have an answer as to whether he’d try and cut to 135, or try to pick up some wins at 145 to try and get a rematch. He was the first fighter since Aldo had come to the U.S. to fight him close enough to where the outcome was in question.




NBC Sports (formerly Versus) has signed a three-year deal with the Las Vegas-based World Series of Fighting Organization for six shows per year.

The WSOF ran a debut show on 11/3, from Las Vegas, broadcast on NBC Sports. The show was a time buy. Numbers were significantly lower than the station used to get with the WEC, let alone what they were doing in 2011 with UFC. The 198,000 viewers, while lower than the 270,000 that boxing averaged on the station (and way below WEC, which ranged from 300,000 to 1.44 million), is still a higher number than all but a few events that the station carries.

To their credit, going in, between all the expenses of signing fighters, having to run in a city where they had little shot at selling a lot of tickets, and buying their way onto TV, they went deep in the hole financially. The only way to make it today in MMA unless you are UFC, unless you’re doing small shows and paying fighters nothing, is to get a TV deal that covers costs. Since NBC Sports, as Versus, had a history with both WEC and later UFC, they are used to paying a certain level for shows. As we’ve seen with plenty of companies, even when having a TV deal that pays, they manage to spend far more than that deal pays and wind up out of business. The key here is to keep costs below that number, but have enough in the way of name fighters to at least draw an audience. Their first show was entertaining, but in running Saturday nights they are going to be running head-to-head frequently with UFC events.

This new deal begins with a show on 3/23 from Atlantic City at the Revel Casino, with a scheduled main event of Anthony Johnson vs. Andrei Arlovski. Johnson and Arlovski were both winners on the first show and the two biggest names with the promotion. Johnson fought at welterweight in UFC, but missed weight on a few occasions, and then moved to middleweight, where he also missed weight. He fought as a light heavyweight in the first WSOF show. Johnson was gigantic fighting 170-pounders, as he’s about 208 in shape, or the size of a normal middleweight. He would be way undersized as a heavyweight, although Arlovski hasn’t been a top level heavyweight in years.

It’s going to be tough since virtually all the marketable talent is in UFC, and most of the second level of talent is in Bellator. Just the fact that they had to put their two biggest stars, from different weight classes, together for a first show main event makes me wonder about the matchmaking going forward. Johnson would be in UFC, but was fired for missing weight on too many occasions.

Other matches announced for the first show are Marlon Moraes, who beat Miguel Angel Torres on the first show, facing Tyson Nam, who beat Bellator’s bantamweight champion Eduardo Dantas, on a non-Bellator show on 8/25 in Rio de Janeiro; former UFC fighter David Branch vs. former WEC champion and Pride star Paulo Filho; former UFC fighter Josh Burkman vs. Ryan LaFlare and former Dream star J.Z. Cavalcante vs. Justin Gaethje, plus Igor Gracie will appear.

The deal was said to have been completed a few weeks ago but wasn’t officially announced until 2/4.



Dana White’s surgery on his left ear to combat Meniere’s Disease has not been a success at this point. White said to us on 2/5 that the surgery may have been the worst decision of his life. The surgery was supposed to have a 70 percent chance of alleviating the problem, but instead, he’s been having regular attacks that has put him in a lot of pain and given him terrible mood swings. He said he had a really painful attack on 2/4 in particular.


UFC announced this past week that they would be doing official top ten rankings for the first time since the early days of the company (where the old management actually did mock rankings putting in people like Mike Tyson and Alexander Karelin). They will be doing top ten in each division as well as a pound-for-pound top ten. It will be done based on voting by accredited members of the MMA media, using on its broadcast and in all its promotional properties. The ratings started this past week and will be updated after every show (or pretty much every week or two) and released two days after each show. They invited 90 reporters to vote, of which 28 did. There were a number of people asked who declined because they felt it was a conflict of interest. Of the people that I would consider the best full-time MMA reporters, almost none of them ended up voting. It should be noted that these ratings will have very little factor in booking (actually I was told no factor whatsoever), in the sense they are going to book matches based on what they perceive the mass audience would most want to see. The day the ratings came out, they finalized the Aldo vs. Pettis fight where a guy who had no fights in the featherweight division and wasn’t ranked was getting the next title shot due to the belief it’s in this case both the best and most marketable fight they can give Aldo right now. In that sense, it makes no sense to have the promotion release official ratings because all it can do is make them look silly when they themselves book GSP vs. Nick Diaz, or Aldo vs. Pettis or when their own rankings have Johny Hendricks as the top contender and they put someone else in the title match. Now they are going to be promoting a Jon Jones vs. Chael Sonnen matches when Sonnen doesn’t even have a top-ten ranking in the division in their own rankings. It was joked to me by those in the company that UFC was doing it because they wanted to make sure there were more things for them to be criticized about. The reality behind it is that FOX wanted official rankings to advertise fights and promote on television, similar to rankings voted on by reporters for college football and college basketball. They felt UFC needed to have them approved, but they would have no credibility coming from directly from UFC. So the decision was made to have the media vote on them. White said that if they had only nine of 90 reporters doing it, they were still going to publish them and use them. Beforehand, with no official rankings and booking for the masses (as in the big picture for all their business partners in growing the sport is to do fights that people most want to see), while people will complain, 95% of their fan base doesn’t care. When they go on television and say so-and-so- is the No. 1 contender and somebody else is getting a title shot, then even their mass audience is going to think something is weird. Plus, are reporters going to rank a guy suspended for failing a drug test as the No. 1 contender based on one win coming off a suspension, or with no wins and his suspension ending? Logically, when you are suspended, you should have to earn your ranking back from scratch if you are doing legit rankings, although Nick Diaz walked into being ranked No. 3 at welterweight. Plus, they’ve had enough issues with fighters citing web site rankings for turning down fights, but now, with UFC having their own rankings, people will cite those as official, as they should, as a reason to turn down a fight with a dangerous opponent who isn’t ranked if they are ranked, saying how it makes no sense. Plus, it’ll make contract negotiations more difficult, but as noted, those are difficult enough as it is. Agents for No. 6 who is being paid less than No. 8 will start complaining and use the numbers as justification, although to an extent privately those things were happening anyway.
 

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The latest advances are 2/16 in London at Wembley Arena headlined by Renan Barao vs. Michael McDonald for the interim bantamweight title is just about sold out. They’ve sold 8,400 tickets for $1.2 million and the way the building will be set up and with normal numbers of comps, there aren’t many tickets left. 2/23 in Anaheim, the number everyone asks about, for Ronda Rousey vs. Liz Carmouche, is 7,000 sold for $900,000. Dollar-wise it’ll probably beat the last Staples Center show, but not by a lot. Ticket sales wise, it may be around the same when all is said and done. 3/3 in Saitama, Japan for Brian Stann vs. Wanderlei Silva has sold 6,500 ticket for $850,000. That’s way down from the show last year, but given the lineup and it being a Fuel show instead of a PPV, you wouldn’t expect the same kind of sales. Plus, really, Japan I always thought would be a big crowd the first time and be a lot tougher the second time, because that’s just how Japan is with American products. 3/16 in Montreal has sold 12,000 tickets for $2.6 million over the first weekend, which is roughly the same as the last show was doing. GSP vs. Diaz should be bigger, but it’s a four-month turnaround and for UFC outside of a casino market, that’s usually something that is tough. The 4/27 show in Newark with Jon Jones vs. Chael Sonnen opened with 7,300 sold and $1.5 million. That’s a market where usually most of the ticket sales are going to come right away.


Dana White said that he was so impressed by the fights on Tough Enough that all 16 fighters are going to be brought into the UFC. This comes at a time when they have far too many people on the roster for the number of shows that they have, due to adding these 16 and another 40 from Strikeforce. Even before that they had too many, but last year turned out okay because so many guys were hurt. The idea is that they want the rank-and-file guys fighting on four month rotations so they can get three fights in per year. But mathematically between the number of cards and fights and number of guys on the roster, without tons of injuries, it’s looking like the wait between fights for average guys is going to be six months or more, meaning they’ll mostly get in two per year if they aren’t hurt. Right now, and everything is booked until the end of April and they are finishing up May, there are no woman fights on the books except Ronda Rousey vs. Liz Carmouche. The issue is that right now they have an unwritten quota, not like anything is etched in stone, but on every card, there are three fights involving guys at 145, 135, 125 and the women total, which makes it difficult to expose too many guys. Dana White talked about adding 115, and probably it’ll happen some day, but unless they greatly increase the number of shows, it doesn’t make sense. And I’m not sure greatly increasing the number, or even keeping this number is optimum. It’s necessary for the roster, but they’ve already burned out a percentage of the fan base.

It almost at this point makes sense for UFC to either work officially with Invicta, or buy it and get it on Fuel, to cultivate the women and then have the big fights on UFC shows when they have title fights or key top contender fights. That way every woman’s fight on a UFC show will have significant meaning and the women who aren’t top four won’t be under contract and not even getting two fights a year. Plus, Invicta is no business threat to UFC and can only keep the women fighting regularly and be used to build contenders.

Regarding the 16 guys being brought in, they’ll all fight on the finals (meaning six potential fights with guys on the roster on the TUF finals have to be pushed back to a later show). Most likely, except for the tournament final where most likely both guys are going to be kept, most of those fights will be loser leaves town type fights, although obviously a great performance in losing on that show can save you.



Regarding the new Bellator reality show, Randy Couture was scheduled to commentate on the 1/26 FOX show and pulled out. Dana White cut a major promo on him after UFC 156, essentially saying that nobody is more of a man inside the cage than Couture, and less of a man outside the cage. He said that he got wind Couture was going to Bellator and called him and his management. He said Couture didn’t return his call, but texted him, but eventually told him that he had not signed the deal, that he had offers from two different networks but he made no decisions. White claimed Couture told him he’d contact him if he made a decision. Couture never contacted him. It should be noted Couture had a non disclosure agreement from Spike so said he couldn’t tell anyone until the announcement was made. White said that he then called Ryan Couture, Randy’s son, and told him that if he wanted to stay in UFC, he has a home there, but that his father would never be back. He told Ryan Couture that his father couldn’t corner him, and he didn’t even want him buying a ticket to get into a UFC arena. He said to Ryan that they would welcome him with open arms if he wants to stay, but if he wants to go to Bellator to be with his father, he would release him from his contract. Ryan said that every fighter’s dream is to fight in the UFC, and if they don’t say that, they are liars, so he didn’t want to be released. The thing with Ryan Couture is that he’s really a marginal fighter. He’s got good skills, but he’s not championship level and at his level would have a much better shot at stardom with Bellator than UFC. But to his credit, he opted to stay in UFC.



Bellator made the official announcement of its new reality show, modeled after The Ultimate Fighter but with a few different twists, on 2/5. The show, which is beginning filming almost immediately, will have a ten-episode season airing over the summer. The show will be named Fight Master: Bellator MMA. The debut and time slot is being kept quiet because of the idea that FX may try to counter program if they get enough lead time. The concept is that 32 welterweight fighters will be brought to New Orleans, where the show is being filmed. I believe they will live at a training camp as opposed to a mansion. There will be 16 fights over the first two days, with the winners advancing. At that point, the winners will be ranked from No. 1 to No. 16 by a panel of coaches, Randy Couture, Frank Shamrock, Greg Jackson and Joe Warren, as well as Bellator CEO Bjorn Rebney. Jimmy Smith will be the host of the show. The difference with Ultimate Fighter is trying to sell the idea that the fighters control their destiny. They all get to pick which of the four they want to coach them. That in itself is going to be weird if only because who is going to pick Warren. I’m not even sure anyone would pick Shamrock. The matches will be made by first, the No. 1 seed, getting to pick who he wants to face. From that point on, the top ranked seed would choose who they want to face. If No. 1 picks No. 10, then No. 2 would get to pick next. But if No. 1 immediately picks No. 2, then No. 3 would pick next. Part of the drama is the idea of seeing which fighters want to take the toughest fight early, or the easiest fight early. The winner of the tournament, with the finals taking place on a Bellator arena event, will get $100,000 and be put in the fall welterweight tournament. Those at Spike are pushing this more as sport, with the idea there will be no emphasis on drunken antics in the house, and how you can’t talk your way to stardom.

The Couture deal, said to be extremely lucrative for him, is a multi-year contract for a number of non-scripted projects. Couture will also star in a show called MMA Rescue. Spike has picked up three one-hour episodes with the idea that he visits struggling MMA gyms and teaches the owners and managers how to make their businesses successful. Spike has the option to order additional episodes.



At press time, there was no update on Undertaker at Mania. Right now the plan is Undertaker vs. Punk until he says he’s not doing the show, but there is no commitment now that he is doing the show. His body is in really bad shape, particularly his hip and shoulder. Friends of his are hoping he doesn’t do the show. As far as what happens involving Punk if the match is off, we don’t have a hint. To me, the best bets are either a singles match with Ryback, which changes his plans for the show, or adding him as a third guy in Rock vs. Cena.
 
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