Yup.
Thompson is a good guy. He thinks he won but otherwise isn't really making any excuses.
Dominic Cruz is still the gold standard for taking an L like a boss, though. One of the best post-fight pressers ever.
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Yup.
Thompson is a good guy. He thinks he won but otherwise isn't really making any excuses.
Dominic Cruz is still the gold standard for taking an L like a boss, though. One of the best post-fight pressers ever.
Rumblebones
Banned
Honestly, I think Wonderboy is making a lot of excuses, and I think he made a lot of excuses last time as well.
He's a great guy, I think he'd be a great champion, and still could be, but he doesn't seem to acknowledge when he's been hurt or when he's not been as effective as he thought he was.
I agree Cruz owned that L like a fucking boss, but to me it's still Silva after the first Weidman loss. He took complete ownership of that loss. Dispelled any notion of having lost the fight due to showboating, gave Chris every bit of respect and called him the true champion of the division who he'd be honoured to fight again. That was straight up awe inspiring.
pixelation
Member
I'm a professional boxer, i know what getting hit in the face feels like. But you can always engage in a smart way while avoiding getting hit that much while not stalling the whole fight like they did. I wouldn't even call that a fight.
Aaaand Thompson is nuts... holy shit.
Ninja Scooter
Member
lmao Ariel basically asking this guy "Why the fuck are you here?"
Rumblebones
Banned
If you're a professional, you have even less of an excuse to be this ignorant. Woodley is fast enough and hits hard enough that Wonderboy could blink at the wrong time and be waking up on his back. He already tasted that power several times, and like you suggested he should, Wonderboy did engage in a smart way, and he explained that he did so by staying on his right side to minimise the threat of Woodley's right hand. It didn't work perfectly, but it worked for the most part - this is something even Woodley acknowledged.
Boxing on average probably has a higher dud average, so I don't know what you're talking about. For real, are you even really a boxer?
That's true, he was talking like the ending of the 5th round was nothing and he didn't get hurt at all when that clearly wasn't the case.
He definitely was lost in the moment during the fight and thought he was ahead on the cards and basically just wanted to coast to a decision than got clipped and dropped that costed him the title. I guess thats partly strategic on his part even though very passive especially for a title fight. Props to Woodley for stepping up that last round. Say what you will about the rest of the fight by he owned it when it counted.
Ninja Scooter
Member
I imagine with how quickly stuff like that happens he might honestly think it wasn't all that bad. These guys aren't watching it from the third person like we are. In his mind, and in the heat of the moment, he probably legit believes he was caught and popped right back up. It's probably hard for him to know how bad something like that looks.
Rumblebones
Banned
Yup. He also did that last fight, when he got knocked down several times in the fourth. He claimed he wasn't hurt. He also didn't really acknowledge he got mauled in the first.
He's a very cordial and respectful martial artist's martial artist, but he does have blind spots and doesn't seem willing to open his eyes to weaknesses.
Obliterator
Member
Indeed especially when a fighter is rocked badly, like Wonderboy was. He was very nearly out at one point, and probably doesn't even remember the majority of that sequence. For him it probably only felt like a second that went by, and he obviously hasn't seen the fight yet.
pixelation
Member
No respect for that style of "fighting", i'm a brawler type of fighter so for a defensively styled fighter to make me his fan he needs to be entertaining at least and neither of them were.
And no i am not a professional boxer i was just trying to gain your respect... /s
Rumblebones
Banned
manfestival
Member
I play UFC on my playstation 4 and it was clearly unanimous decision for gsp tonight
pixelation
Member
Hahaha, say no more, fam.
English is not my native language so perhaps i am not getting my point across correctly, i like to engage in a fight, i don't like stalling i think its disrespectul to the fans. I'm not saying get in there "cholo" style and just throw punches like crazy, but you need to engage.
And what is with your attitude?
Is that a jab at me?, that's fine... haters in the house tonight.
I'm heading out, i'll check if any of you guys replied tomorrow morning.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Woodley is like a real life Apollo Creed.
manfestival
Member
No because that would require that I actually know you enough to make a claim against any sort of claim that you were making. It's was a fun statement made in jest.
pixelation
Member
Okey my bad, i apologize. Thank you for clarifying that.
Yep. A lot of hate out there.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Woodley's post fight is pretty refreshing. The fact that he has to bring in (and pay) a bunch of specialists to prepare for a fighter as unorthodox like Thompson is something you don't really think about, and that money comes right out of his purse.
Had put $300 on Woodly midweek during those amazing odds rofl.
Also, Woodly fought that well. Both did. Honestly sick of most "UFC" fans that just want people bashing each others brains out at every turn and nothing methodical.
Eddie Bravo is a fucking moron so it's understandable Bisping is pissed at him.
Also, Woodly fought that well. Both did. Honestly sick of most "UFC" fans that just want people bashing each others brains out at every turn and nothing methodical.
Eddie Bravo is a fucking moron so it's understandable Bisping is pissed at him.
biosnake20
Member
April Mighty Mouse Fox card is great.
MM v Reis
Jacare v Whitaker
Waterson v Namajunes.
MM v Reis
Jacare v Whitaker
Waterson v Namajunes.
Obliterator
Member
juliushandle
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Those two guys proved all along this rematch shouldn't have happened. Thompson had his opportunities too when Tyrone had his back against the fence in the later rounds but Thompson didnt do shit about it. You're the damn challenger man, you can't coastal to the finish and expect to be gifted a "Forrest vs Rampage" decision.
Tyrone also does nothing for his stock. He wants "money" fights and will not want to fight Maia/Masvidal but Tyrone just proved that he is far from a "money" fight himself.
Oh WTF with Bisping being drunk all fucking weekend celebrating signing the contract vs GSP. Drunk at the presser, now at the MMA Awards picking on jiu jitsu instructors. Ben Saunders should have knocked the drunken champ out while he had a chance. Might have got a "money" fight out of it.
Tyrone also does nothing for his stock. He wants "money" fights and will not want to fight Maia/Masvidal but Tyrone just proved that he is far from a "money" fight himself.
Oh WTF with Bisping being drunk all fucking weekend celebrating signing the contract vs GSP. Drunk at the presser, now at the MMA Awards picking on jiu jitsu instructors. Ben Saunders should have knocked the drunken champ out while he had a chance. Might have got a "money" fight out of it.
Sato Koiji
Member
Really wanted Lando to win. It was a crazy fight with crazy counters.
The judges favor the champion in close fights anways so they did the right thing. It was too close to give it to the challenger.
The judges favor the champion in close fights anways so they did the right thing. It was too close to give it to the challenger.
alpinestars1980
Member
That's dumb. I know they do that but it's completely stupid. Should be scored the same way. Always.
Rumblebones
Banned
If it ain't clear who's winning the round benefit has always been given to the champion. The challenger has to take the belt, not squeak out a decision based on points that could have gone either way. This is the way it's always been and it's rare judges don't take the champion's benefit into account. The fault doesn't lie with them but the challenger who should know better.
alpinestars1980
Member
I know that's how it's always been. I said as much. Your reasoning of it doesn't make it right. It's dumb. There's no sane argument you can come up with that makes it ok.
I agree with the sentiment that the challenger has to take the belt. Thompson had very little action, and Woodley, as defensive as he was throughout the fight, at least did something of substance in RD3 and RD5 and tried to finish. So many of those rounds were basically no one moving the needle.
He saved his energy for 24 minutes and 30 seconds for a 10 second barrage.
No props to be given.
Obliterator
Member
Agreed. Across the 10 rounds they've fought each other Woodley is the only one in both fights to establish any sort of dominance. He's the one who almost finished the other in both fights and the one with dominant rounds through wrestling. The fight's get a little wonky when scoring them round by round but when you look at who is the better fighter across those 10 rounds it's Woodley
Fuck all this "you've got to take the belt" nonsense. How about "you've got to actually defend your title for more than thirty seconds"? That fight was awful, except for the amazing impression that Woodley did of Rashad Evans' corpse walking around earlier in the night. Neither fighter deserves the win so I don't really care which one walks away with the belt, but everybody involved should be ashamed.
Rumblebones
Banned
Charlize Theron channelling her inner Diaz at 209.
It's not dumb. The champion is the one that, traditionally, has to face whoever the promoter puts in front of them to challenge their belt, that becomes harder each and every time with increasing scrutiny and gameplanning by his line of opponents. The burden is on the champion is to defend their belt, and if the challenger isn't doing enough to convince the judges he's taking it, he shouldn't be crowned the new champion. Challengers will enjoy the same benefit if they win and have to defend their belt. I don't know how long you've been following combat sports, but this is how it's always been, and with good reason.
It's not dumb. The champion is the one that, traditionally, has to face whoever the promoter puts in front of them to challenge their belt, that becomes harder each and every time with increasing scrutiny and gameplanning by his line of opponents. The burden is on the champion is to defend their belt, and if the challenger isn't doing enough to convince the judges he's taking it, he shouldn't be crowned the new champion. Challengers will enjoy the same benefit if they win and have to defend their belt. I don't know how long you've been following combat sports, but this is how it's always been, and with good reason.
Rumblebones
Banned
Some of y'all talking like you started watching MMA a couple weeks ago.
Sometimes gameplans effectively cancel each other out. These guys are fighting at the highest level. The world champ vs the #1 contender. The first fight was a banger, but in retrospect, we should have expected the second fight to be a lot more cautious, maybe. Wonderboy was beautifully nullifying Woodley's rushes with well-timed counters, and Woodley was effectively blocking pretty much everything Wonderboy threw at him.
It's not that these two guys came expecting to put up a boring fight, and I don't think it was. It was very tense and reminded me of Wonderboy/Rory, which a lot of people also slated.
Sometimes gameplans effectively cancel each other out. These guys are fighting at the highest level. The world champ vs the #1 contender. The first fight was a banger, but in retrospect, we should have expected the second fight to be a lot more cautious, maybe. Wonderboy was beautifully nullifying Woodley's rushes with well-timed counters, and Woodley was effectively blocking pretty much everything Wonderboy threw at him.
It's not that these two guys came expecting to put up a boring fight, and I don't think it was. It was very tense and reminded me of Wonderboy/Rory, which a lot of people also slated.
dream
Member
For clarification and education purposes:
Ultimate:
Boxing:
However, Rumblebones is correct that some combat sports have something that approximate a champion's advantage rule. Pro wrestling, for example, allows the champion to retain his or her title when suffering a loss via countout or disqualification.
Ultimate:
Boxing:
However, Rumblebones is correct that some combat sports have something that approximate a champion's advantage rule. Pro wrestling, for example, allows the champion to retain his or her title when suffering a loss via countout or disqualification.
She hates cage grabbing!
Obliterator
Member
There is no written rule to the champions advantage.
Many judges, do in fact score with that criteria in mind. Machida vs Shogun 1, Woodley vs Thompson 2, and Lawler vs Condit are just a few examples off the top of my head
Many judges, do in fact score with that criteria in mind. Machida vs Shogun 1, Woodley vs Thompson 2, and Lawler vs Condit are just a few examples off the top of my head
Almost all of your posts are abrasive and needlessly condescending. jeez
Here's my take: That fight fucking sucked and it's not worth getting angry about who won.
Only sophisticated fans know about imaginary rules. You probably just haven't been watching long enough to know about them.
alpinestars1980
Member
That's a different argument. If you think Woodley won, that's fine.
Yep.
That's the dumbest thing ever.
I've been watching since the beginning. Again, you keep missing the point. You're essentially saying every strike the champ lands counts as two because champ. Dude, what? Fights should be scored the same always.
Rumblebones
Banned
Would you consider GSP/Hendricks one of these examples? A lot of people and many MMA publications scored it for Hendricks, but to this day, I go back and forth on that fight.
I'm sorry you feel that way.
Obliterator
Member
The most fair scorecard is 49-48 Woodley. Rds 1 and 2 should be 10 - 10's due to inactivity by both (5 strikes vs 6 Rd 1, 8-8 Rd 2 no takedowns in either round). Rd 3 10-9 Woodley. Rd 4 10-9 Wonderboy, Rd 5 10-9 Woodley.
49-48 Woodley
49-48 Woodley
Stop with that. There was a winner. Woodley is the champion.
Thompson had an opportunity to capitalize on a gassed Woodley after the takedown and he did nothing Period.
47-47 is the best one in my mind. Not only because it seemed like a fuck you protest vote from the judge, but also because Thompson did win three rounds. He barely won them and they were awful rounds, but he won based on the criteria. Woodley almost finished the fight and was pushing most of the fifth so if we're grading on a curve I'm fine with it being 10-8.
The other rounds weren't draws. They were uneventful and close, but Thompson threw more and was marginally more aggressive.
Rumblebones
Banned
It really isn't, but okay, sure, opinions and all that.
Then why are you acting like you don't know any better?
I'm not saying what the champion does should weigh more than what the challenger does. All I'm saying is that, when in doubt, judges give the nod to the champion because they're defending and the challenger has to be one making it clear they're taking that belt. I agree with that reasoning because the champion carries the most burden and to prevent challengers from trying to squeak out point victories without chasing the finish or imposing their dominance.
That's literally it. If you don't agree with that, that's fine, but this isn't anything new.
Obliterator
Member
He didn't land more. Rd 2 they landed the exact same amount of strikes. Just because he was standing in the center of the cage doing nothing staring at Tyron, and Tyron was standing there with his back to the cage doing nothing staring at him that Wonderboy won. That round should absolutely be a 10-10. They landed identical rate and did zero grappling.
Rd 1, Thompson landed a huge 1 more strike than Woodley. And it was still less than 10 strikes landed. I guess you could give him that round, but looking back I don't think I would. Again, no one did a damn thing 10-10.
47-47 , or 49-48 I can see argued but the more I look at it, I'm not sure how the fight can be scored in Wonderboy's favor
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