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MMA |OT2| - Thread of Athletes, Fighters, Personalities, and Sports Entertainment
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DKehoe
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Brock has taken down everyone he has ever fought. I don't think saying his takedowns are "horrible" is fair.
Didn't notice this on Saturday but that punch Jones landed was nice.
No no no, you got it wrong! Lyoto slipped and Jones caught em with the choke!!!! /sarcasm
TheKaeptain
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The way he sets it up is horrible. It's all power no technique he should take tips from the beautiful Chael Sonnen.
The word beautiful can only be followed by the name Chandella in an mma thread.
TheKaeptain
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Who?
Fuckin cism!
Two things:
- Machida clearly won round one, this is not even up for debate. All things considered, he did well, and actually won a round from Bones, which is more than Rampage and Shogun can say. He was brutally finished, but I think his strategy so far has been the best against Jones.
- Machida's chin is just as questionable as Rashad's, Jardine's, and anyone else whose called a glassjaw round these parts. He gets clipped once and he buckles. That's unfortunate. But yeah, he got rocked with that punch and the elbow on the ground and got choked the fuck out. But he still didn't look like a helpless baby out there against Jones like Shogun did, let's all give him his due. It was a good fight.
- Machida clearly won round one, this is not even up for debate. All things considered, he did well, and actually won a round from Bones, which is more than Rampage and Shogun can say. He was brutally finished, but I think his strategy so far has been the best against Jones.
- Machida's chin is just as questionable as Rashad's, Jardine's, and anyone else whose called a glassjaw round these parts. He gets clipped once and he buckles. That's unfortunate. But yeah, he got rocked with that punch and the elbow on the ground and got choked the fuck out. But he still didn't look like a helpless baby out there against Jones like Shogun did, let's all give him his due. It was a good fight.
Host Samurai
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Mir has got to be the most lucky HW fighter of all time. The only reason he beat Brock and Nog was all from retarded brain farts from both fighters. That last fight was a gift.
Fixed that for you. Both Mazagati and Dean robbed the real winners of those two fights.
TheKaeptain
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These last three post are amazing.
It's reasonable to say Machida won it, and I actually agree, but I think they landed the same number of significant strikes and Jones controlled the center of the octagon, so it's not really absurd to say otherwise. R1 was pure light pointfighting. I guess it's a good strategy in the sense of it gives you the chance to maybe be able to say you won a round from Jones, but not a good strategy to win imo. This version of Jones is not going to be Cruz'd/old Machida'd, he has too many ways to force the action that are really not conducive to a 5-round point-fighting strategy. Easy and I think correct answer is you have to LNP him to have your best chance to win. I wonder if someone like Lawal/Evans/Davis could actually devise a proper LNP strategy that would work. Seems very unlikely, but maybe.
Really, Jones' saving grace is his physical advantages over other fighters. If he was the same size as his opponents, he'd still be an excellent fighter, but nowhere near the unstoppable wrecking machine he is now. Perhaps he won't be dethroned until another fighter shows up that matches his physical attributes and athleticism, however unlikely that is.
Indeed. All those guys are playing basketball.
TheKaeptain
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That isn't really how it works...I mean he won't stop lifting weights.
parrotbeak
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After reading that one gaffer's extremely detailed analysis of round 1, I think Jones won, but I only watched it twice so just basing that on that post.
I think the best chance anyone has is just rushing in and hitting him with a perfect punch. I still think Hendo has the best chance of doing that.
I think the best chance anyone has is just rushing in and hitting him with a perfect punch. I still think Hendo has the best chance of doing that.
Usually guys get a little smaller though. Dudes in HS who I knew were juicing always got smaller. It wasn't drastic, but it was noticeable.
I love Hendo, but he doesn't have Machidas speed or precision, both of which is why machida could hit jones. Hendo is a middleweight fighting the frame of a heavyweight in jones, jones will never be in a position for that overhand right.The reach is too far apart, and Jones knows how to utilize it.
TheKaeptain
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That more of a change of diet and workout regiment. When you're off you need to work out more and eat more. Overeem will be alright.
Maklershed
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Does anyone else give a shit about the idea of Evans vs Jones? Maybe its just me but for some reason I can't get excited about Rashad. I want Thiago Silva as Jones' next opponent!
But people say Brock deflated from his WWE days because he's off the juice. I for one believe Overeem in that he's naturally cut. He was shredded at 205, when people were calling him a "string bean."
This was him at LHW. Look how big his fucking arm is:
Josh Barnett will never look like Overeem, no matter how much he roids.
The excitement of Evans is can he LNP Jones? Unlikely I think but that's the draw from a fight perspective.
Thiago Silva? Let Zombie enjoy his shared quickest-KO record for at least a year!
Maklershed
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Is that McSweeney in the center?
yeah, S pong on the left.
TheKaeptain
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Brock doesn't look the same because he changed the way he eats and the way he trains. Barnett could look good if he ate and trained right.But people say Brock deflated from his WWE days because he's off the juice. I for one believe Overeem in that he's naturally cut. He was shredded at 205, when people were calling him a "string bean."
This was him at LHW. Look how big his fucking arm is:
Josh Barnett will never look like Overeem, no matter how much he roids.
Reem has an insanely low body fat count for his size. That is genetics.
Uh, I do. Jones needs to fight someone who will try to put him on his back as that's the best chance anyone has in my view. Dan Henderson got outwrestled by fucking Shogun so I really don't care to see him against Jones.
Maklershed
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Fair enough. I honestly can't explain what is about Rashad that makes me not care about him. I think maybe its because he comes across as a bad actor when he's trying to hype up beefs and he has a fairly boring, safe style .. imo. We all have our favorites and people we hate.
parrotbeak
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After Chael takes the mw belt he can move up to 205.
TheKaeptain
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I seriously think Chael is the only dude that can wrestle with Jones.
sazabirules
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Besides jokes about doping, what has Chael done differently that made him better later in his career? Just training with different people?
TheKaeptain
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Just started training his wrestling more. He probably ignored it for awhile.
Let's talk about Jon's eventual transition to heavyweight.
How much is he coming in on fight night at LHW?
Is that a weight he'd be comfortable with at HW?
If not, how long will he take to prepare to enter the HW realm? Unless aided by horse meat, it will take a while to bulk up.
Should he have tune up fights against smaller heavyweights while he transitions?
A lot of question marks surrounding his transition.
How much is he coming in on fight night at LHW?
Is that a weight he'd be comfortable with at HW?
If not, how long will he take to prepare to enter the HW realm? Unless aided by horse meat, it will take a while to bulk up.
Should he have tune up fights against smaller heavyweights while he transitions?
A lot of question marks surrounding his transition.
Tyrone was a Middleweight and beefed up to 230 to fight K-1. If he ever tries out MMA, I'd like to see him drop back down.
He got pretty huge to fight Overeem in the last GP. I wonder where he wants to fight in MMA. Hopefully LHW.
Jones said he weighed 221 for the Bader fight. Dude is definitely going to have to get some diet tips from Reem when he moves up.
TheKaeptain
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I'm willing to bet he weighs 230 before cutting. He makes JDS looks small.
Upper body, maybe. His legs are comically skinny.
jds is small though. also...chicken legs
TheKaeptain
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Yeah I am willing to bet gaffers Eraldo Coil has bigger legs.
Biff
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lol Bones will never, ever move up as long as he's in Camp Jackson. Greg would NEVER let him do that.
Maklershed
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I think Jones could do it. He has a pretty big frame for 205.
Jones vs Mitrione (even though he's on the bigger side) would be very interesting. I'd like to see that. They could feed him people like Miocic and Schaub to start though.
Jones vs Mitrione (even though he's on the bigger side) would be very interesting. I'd like to see that. They could feed him people like Miocic and Schaub to start though.
It's not really a question of letting him move up, more of having to do it. He's only 24...I'd be surprised if he can make the cut to 205 his whole career.
Yeah, people often make the comparison to Overeem but Reem was pretty thick even at 205. Not sure how he ever made that weight to be honest.
I think Jones at best could get to 235-240.
That'd be the best idea. No use fighting fire with fire against the Brock Lesnar's of the world. I think he'd switch his wrestling to defensive. Use his length and athleticism to keep it standing and pick these guys off from the outside.
Basically use his reach in a way that Struve is seemingly incapable of doing.
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