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[Rentahamster]

The video barely mentioned the answer of domes, but didn't address it. Just claimed it ridiculous and that means they have no answers. That's not a proper debunking.

That's like me saying all the arguments for the moon landing being faked are ridiculous, and thus moon landing hoaxers don't have any answers to the moon landing.

Because it IS ridiculous. They have to actually prove something before anything can be debunked.

What the flat earthers claim is that the sky is a rotating dome, and that perspective and optical phenomena limit distance you can see something, so you get what would be personal domes from the limits of vision and optics, if I'm not mistaken.

And how in the blue blazes does that even work? You can't just say "because perspective and optical phenomena" and expect that to be a sufficient answer. You need to show your work and explain the mechanics behind that and show what is being asserted based on assumptions and what is being asserted based on actual empirical observations. The rotating globe model is consistent with reality and can make predictions about natural phenomena. The personal dome model cannot. That makes one inherently more plausible than the other.

Yeah it may not be convincing, but a proper debunking would go into what's wrong with their answer.

edit:
Look the following is a flat earther's debunk of 24 hour sun. The flat earther may not be convincing, but he addresses the claim. He could say it's obviously fake they have no 24 sun video, but he doesn't he goes into the details. Maybe unconvincingly but he addresses the details of the claim.

Key word "convincing". If it's not convincing why should I give it more credit than it's due? Addressing the details is meaningless if the addressing part is full of unconvincing pseudoscience and errors.

 

[BlackOlivesMatter]

The Earth is round or actually plump (it ain't a perfect circle)

We did and didn't land on the moon (we landed craft there, but not people, at least no astronauts that returned... the video's are the hoax)

I've answered all your questions, now..... let's talk about Nibiru.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

. The personal dome model cannot. That makes one inherently more plausible than the other.

The personal dome probably predicts several things, first the sun is smaller and closer as well as the moon, and there is probably a solid barrier not that high above the earth. It also predicts the earth is flat, and you'll be able to see for hundreds of miles in the right circumstances.

That is why flat earthers go over ever bigger lakes and try experiments to see reflections of the sun from a mirror across the lake, or do laser experiments.

They've shown how the atmosphere impedes how far you can see, and how the height of the ocean goes up and down optically, but you can see the coasts at great distances when the time is right.

That's why the flat earther's make a big deal out of anomalies in the ISS astronaut footage, astronauts fading in and out of the video, astronauts doing hand movements with no objects in hand, microphones trespassing the hands of astronauts. And also point to anomalies in moon landing, like flags swaying with no astronaut near them and meters away from any craft.

That said I think the electric universe is far more likely than flat earth. And there may be technical explanations to why astronauts might not be able to leave the round earth. It may be you can only send unmanned craft into orbit and out into other planets for now.

 

[Tschumi]

... this is just, not a thread where I belong... just dropped in to say... jah bless you all

 

[Rentahamster]

The personal dome probably predicts several things

There's your problem

 

[Rentahamster]

Even more!

 

[Rentahamster]

And there may be technical explanations to why astronauts might not be able to leave the round earth.

We can leave and we have left.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

I actually don't have a strong opinion about the moon or whether it was staged or not but I just want to say I miss chewie.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Tesseract did the government invent AIDS?

 

[Tesseract]

Tesseract did the government invent AIDS?

HIV/AIDS - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

History of HIV/AIDS - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

HIV/AIDS - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

History of HIV/AIDS - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Are they monitoring you brother?

 

[Tesseract]

Are they monitoring you brother?

the pentagon always watches the wolverine and x24

sometimes one becomes the other

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

the pentagon always watches the wolverine and x24

The truth will eventually be known and people will take it far better than they think.

 

[Tesseract]

The truth will eventually be known and people will take it far better than they think.

perhaps

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

There's your problem

Well I say probably, but it definitely predicts that. IT also predicts south north circumnavigation is impossible, and 24 hour antartic sun is impossible.

Even more!

I'll play devil's advocate.

The flat earth argument about southern fligths is that there are high speed winds at certain altitudes that can be rode and allow a plane to go faster without consuming more fuel.

There are sites pointing wind speeds and at some altitudes the winds go in one direction and in other altitudes at other direction and at very high speeds. That is the official data, although we don't have wind speeds for all altitudes, there are gaps in public data about wind speeds at certain altitudes, at others there are high speeds and vary in direction depending on height.

The wind speeds are greatest where temperature differences between air masses are greatest, and often exceed 92 km/h (50 kn; 57 mph).[19] Speeds of 400 km/h (220 kn; 250 mph) have been measured.[22]-jetstreams

Many flights do take a flat earth like route when crossing from country to country.
Plane Flights Prove The Earth Is Flat (bitchute.com)

Flights from Australia to North America fly NORTH of Hawaii (bitchute.com)

The flat earthers claim north south circumnavigation flight would disprove flat earth. There have only been like two such flights in the past, and no more, iirc. They claim those flights are suspect, and that the lack of modern day repetition of south north circumnavigation is suspect. Some of the modern circumnavigation records were set by touching the tip of antartica and turning back never crossing over antartica itself, yet still given record in modern days.
Circumnavigation Nort South Pole Earth is a l.. - YouTube

 

[Rentahamster]

The flat earth argument about southern fligths is that there are high speed winds at certain altitudes that can be rode and allow a plane to go faster without consuming more fuel.

No amount of realistic windspeed in the world is going to account for the discrepancies in flat earth theoretical distance vs the actual time it takes to travel those routes, and magic wind doesn't exist.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

No amount of realistic windspeed in the world is going to account for the discrepancies in flat earth theoretical distance vs the actual time it takes to travel those routes, and magic wind doesn't exist.

Maybe, But the claim is that getting into multi 100mph winds at max plane speed, allows it to go supersonic relative to ground without creating a sonic boom.

The vast majority of flights in the southern hemisphere stop at the north hemisphere before heading back south, iirc. And these routes while appearing circuitous in a sphere appears like a straight line in a flat earth map.

 

[Rentahamster]

Maybe

Definitely.

But the claim is that getting into multi 100mph winds at max plane speed, allows it to go supersonic relative to ground without creating a sonic boom.

No, and they can't even prove these magic winds exist.

The vast majority of flights in the southern hemisphere stop at the north hemisphere before heading back south, iirc. And these routes while appearing circuitous in a sphere appears like a straight line in a flat earth map.

You need to show examples, and show why they're accurate and useful information. "IIRC" isn't going to cut it.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

No, and they can't even prove these magic winds exist.

These are wind speed maps from a scientific site covering wind speeds.

The wind speeds are greatest where temperature differences between air masses are greatest, and often exceed 92 km/h (50 kn; 57 mph).[19] Speeds of 400 km/h (220 kn; 250 mph) have been measured.[22]-jetstreams, wikipedia

You need to show examples, and show why they're accurate and useful information. "IIRC" isn't going to cut it.

I put two videos showing the flight paths that seem like straight lines on flat earth maps.

Could go through them and screen cap, but they're short vids.

There are flights going from south africa to south america and stopping at london mid flight.

 

[Rentahamster]

These are wind speed maps from a scientific site covering wind speeds.

Linking to the wiki on the jet stream doesn't prove that magical supersonic winds exist and that they happen to coincide perfectly with the flight schedules of airlines.

I put two videos showing the flight paths that seem like straight lines on flat earth maps.

Could go through them and screen cap, but they're short vids.

There are flights going from south africa to south america and stopping at london mid flight.

1. Multi leg flight routes are a thing.
2. The direct flight routes don't do that.

Flights from São Paulo (GRU)

All direct (non-stop) flights from São Paulo (GRU) on an interactive route map. Explore planned flights to 107 destinations, find new routes and get detailed information on airlines flying from São Paulo-Guarulhos International Airport.

www.flightconnections.com

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Linking to the wiki on the jet stream doesn't prove that magical supersonic winds exist and that they happen to coincide perfectly with the flight schedules of airlines.


1. Multi leg flight routes are a thing.
2. The direct flight routes don't do that.

Flights from São Paulo (GRU)

All direct (non-stop) flights from São Paulo (GRU) on an interactive route map. Explore planned flights to 107 destinations, find new routes and get detailed information on airlines flying from São Paulo-Guarulhos International Airport.

www.flightconnections.com

earth :: a global map of wind, weather, and ocean conditions

See current wind, weather, ocean, and pollution conditions, as forecast by supercomputers, on an interactive animated map. Updated every three hours.

earth.nullschool.net

map of partial jet streams on globe and wind speeds at various altitudes

Also some direct flights also happen to stop way up north if they have an emergency landing

 

[Rentahamster]

earth :: a global map of wind, weather, and ocean conditions

See current wind, weather, ocean, and pollution conditions, as forecast by supercomputers, on an interactive animated map. Updated every three hours.

earth.nullschool.net

map of partial jet streams on globe and wind speeds at various altitudes

Also some direct flights also happen to stop way up north if they have an emergency landing

That doesn't make any of the flat earth claims more plausible.

 

[Ornlu]

... this is just, not a thread where I belong... just dropped in to say... jah bless you all

In the interest of diversifying the conspiracy theories discussed here beyond Flat Eartherdom; I'm always fascinated by science that can be considered "conspiracy theory" if looked at the right way. For example, "Out of Africa" is currently going through a serious rewrite, but is still considered the consensus. It's acceptable to debate to some extent, but for the most part is still considered conspiracy theory to deviate from the established consensus.

I'm more of the opinion that the fossil record, as well as the amount of Neanderthal and Denisovan still lingering in the genome of modern humans after thousands upon thousands of years renders "Out of Africa" a bit pointless. A theory based on a more nuanced mingling of hominids similar to modern humans seems more likely to bear out as "true" in the end, rather than picking one specific hominid and declaring that one out of many to be human.

 

[mango drank]

Even more!

I was gonna reply here yesterday saying these are great, and so are a bunch of other vids on the guy's channel. But if he wants to convert people, he's doing himself a disservice by using that condescending tone, because conspiracy theorists are by nature very sensitive to being dismissed or brushed aside, which includes being talked down to. So they'd bristle at the slightest hint of something that sounds to them like elitist smarter-than-thou attitude, and this guy's got a surplus of it. But then I skimmed around some more, and apparently he's already hated in conspiracy circles, so never mind, too late lol

 

[buizel]

WHATS UPPPPP

wheres all my antarctica lads @??

anyone got any good documentaries or info relating to that ?^

map of antarctica from the 1500's, 300 years before it was 'discovered' in 1773, showing animals, rivers and mountains all there before the ice came... ?

why am i reading that general historic knowledge says the ice appeared between 6000 years - 40million years ago? thats quite a discrepancy. and quite the lie if a map shows it WITHOUT ice merely ~600 years ago....

wtf question everything, fyi not a flat earther at all. wondering whats in antarctica though... :>

 

[Tesseract]

The truth will eventually be known and people will take it far better than they think.

the signal is out there

 

[buizel]

the signal is out there

oops



I feel like knowledge of the moon landing comes and goes - do people believe the moon landing was real? After watching the above video..? I timestamped it at a good part, though everything leading up to it is a fun, interesting watch.

 

[RJMacready73]

i'm confused, are there actually people on this forum who believe the earth is flat or is this a pure mockery thread

 

[buizel]

Does the flat earth theory contradict the hollow earth theory?

I'm more inclined to believe the latter.

Whats suspicious is that, after I was watching some flat earth videos last night, I decided to look up videos of the horizon line of the planet which should be curved, and all the official videos on youtube that get pushed show somebody recording the horizon line with a fucking fish-eye lens... which would make anything curvy.

~Why would they even need to do that if the earth was naturally curved?

Again im not convinced of flat earth yet but all it takes is some good proof

i'm confused, are there actually people on this forum who believe the earth is flat or is this a pure mockery thread

Its a conspiracy thread for people to discuss it.

A few months ago I wouldn't have even subscribed to the idea aliens have landed on Earth, now I know that theyre been working with the government (declassified docs FROM the gov confirm this).

So knowing that the government lies and lies about everything and anything continuously, ESPECIALLY about space, it puts doubt unto anything they say about space.

I still don't believe the earth is flat but id like to see more proof.

 

[GeorgPrime]

Not that i dont believe you guys but if someone knows Elvis can he get an autograph for me? k. thx.

 

[RoboFu]

The Coriolis force disproves any flat earth theory if someone is dumb enough to really believe in that.

 

[buizel]

The Coriolis force disproves any flat earth theory if someone is dumb enough to really believe in that.

That's a good theory.

I like going into conspiracy but I'm yet to buy into this "flat earth".

What do you make of the moon documentary I posted a few posts ago? I timestamped it at a good bit, but I watched the whole thing and it's very good documentary that goes into many government inadequacies or contradictions

 

[Spaceman292]

A few months ago I wouldn't have even subscribed to the idea aliens have landed on Earth, now I know that theyre been working with the government (declassified docs FROM the gov confirm this).

I must have missed this little piece of news.

 

[RoboFu]

That's a good theory.

I like going into conspiracy but I'm yet to buy into this "flat earth".

What do you make of the moon documentary I posted a few posts ago? I timestamped it at a good bit, but I watched the whole thing and it's very good documentary that goes into many government inadequacies or contradictions

there are 2 reflectors on the moon that were placed there on the Apollo 11 mission. This reflectors can be used to prove the mission by anyone with a laser powerful enough.

 

[INC]

Don't give a fuck if its round or flat tbh, but its round

The one question no one answers tho, whats the point of lying about it being a sphere?

 

[buizel]

I must have missed this little piece of news.

It's been in various declassified documents since the 70's I believe. Over the decades news has dropped, but is so quickly forgotten about; and then resurfaces every 5 years or so.

But yes, many many respectable people from around the world say the same thing. But yes, US media tries to hush hush it up. Of course you will have statements denying this.

there are 2 reflectors on the moon that were placed there on the Apollo 11 mission. This reflectors can be used to prove the mission by anyone with a laser powerful enough.

yeah dude, FOR SURE they got to the moon in this, not to mention living in it with their moon buggies:

gotta help em out with the lights tho

 

[buizel]

The Coriolis force disproves any flat earth theory if someone is dumb enough to really believe in that.

what about the egg(shaped)-earth theory?

thats no yolk

 

[DrAspirino]

Even more!

Actually, the route is going south, then crossing the Pacific Ocean, then going back north to Sydney

 

[buizel]

NASA faking space pics again, those dastardly no gooders.

Astronomy Picture of the Day

A different astronomy and space science related image is featured each day, along with a brief explanation.

apod.nasa.gov

Spoiler

Explanation: Is this asteroid Arrokoth or a potato? Perhaps, after all the data was beamed back to Earth from NASA's robotic New Horizons spacecraft, the featured high resolution image of asteroid Arrokoth was constructed. Perhaps, alternatively, the featured image is of a potato. Let's consider some facts. Arrokoth is the most distant asteroid ever visited and a surviving remnant of the early years of our Solar System. A potato is a root vegetable that you can eat. Happy April Fool's Day from the folks at APOD! Although asteroid Arrokoth may look like a potato, in fact very much like the featured potato, Arrokoth (formerly known as Ultima Thule) is about 200,000 times wider and much harder to eat.

oops

 

[RJMacready73]

Does the flat earth theory contradict the hollow earth theory?

I'm more inclined to believe the latter.

Whats suspicious is that, after I was watching some flat earth videos last night, I decided to look up videos of the horizon line of the planet which should be curved, and all the official videos on youtube that get pushed show somebody recording the horizon line with a fucking fish-eye lens... which would make anything curvy.

~Why would they even need to do that if the earth was naturally curved?

Again im not convinced of flat earth yet but all it takes is some good proof



Its a conspiracy thread for people to discuss it.

A few months ago I wouldn't have even subscribed to the idea aliens have landed on Earth, now I know that theyre been working with the government (declassified docs FROM the gov confirm this).

So knowing that the government lies and lies about everything and anything continuously, ESPECIALLY about space, it puts doubt unto anything they say about space.

I still don't believe the earth is flat but id like to see more proof.

ok ill give you the other things about aliens.. cause its amusing and well there certainly are some unexplained shit but fuck me mate... you don't believe the earth is flat but you'd like to see more proof? proof of what exactly?? what are you unsure off

 

[buizel]

ok ill give you the other things about aliens.. cause its amusing and well there certainly are some unexplained shit but fuck me mate... you don't believe the earth is flat but you'd like to see more proof? proof of what exactly?? what are you unsure off

Well alot of conspiracy theories have basis in reality, 9/11, moon landing, JFK conspiracy - both of those things are up to their necks in conspiracy and theres no real answer why except people don't trust the government.

I consider any conspiracy theory - hell I've been going down the "reptilian jews run the world" but im putting that off cause its a bit much for me. I run off of evidence - corroborating testimony and videos.

If multiple trustworthy people say the same thing, and are well respected by society (not put there by government), then it gives credence to any theory really if it doesnt have holes in it.

Couple that with the fact NASA has a long, history of faking things and covering things up - I distrust government and government entities.

When I say "proof" i mean I want to see more "proof" that the earth ISNT round.

That said, that theory holds less weight than the above theories I listed. Theres more "proof" of reptilian jews running the world than a flat earth, but I aint going to jump to either conclusion.

It's fun to look into it, but worrying when you realise the extent of government lying - it puts alot into question yknow.



And the last thing I like to point out is Galileo:

Everyone KNEW, that in the 1500's, the sun and moon revolved around the Earth, and it was a conspiracy PUNISHABLE by PRISON and DEATH for saying otherwise.

Turns out Galileo's theory was right - it was the EARTH that in face revolved around the sun and the moon! But unfortunately he was locked up and sent to die for trying to bring out the truth. He was labelled a crazy conspiracy theorist and paid the price for it. Free speech get wrecckd

Centuries later and we've only improved by a little bit.

Even if these conspiracy theories sound like complete BS to someone, trying to convince them theyre crazy instead of having a rational discussion is not the right way to go. (please dont misconstrued this as me comparing myself to gallileo)

Many theories I look into contradict each other, but its upto doing more research to figure the truth out for yourself.

 

[zeomax]

And the last thing I like to point out is Galileo:

Everyone KNEW, that in the 1500's, the sun and moon revolved around the Earth, and it was a conspiracy PUNISHABLE by PRISON and DEATH for saying otherwise.

Turns out Galileo's theory was right - it was the EARTH that in face revolved around the sun and the moon! But unfortunately he was locked up and sent to die for trying to bring out the truth. He was labelled a crazy conspiracy theorist and paid the price for it.

Not everyone only the catholic church. Basically Galileo get murdered by crazy conspiracy theorist because they thought they were created after God himself and therefore are the center of the universe.

 

[RJMacready73]

Faked moon landings is for me up there with the idiocy in believing the earth is flat, these aren't really conspiracy theories, i mean we don't call the ramblings and musings of mental patients.. theories do we?? Anyways.. the US and the USSR where in a race, first to the moon, both hated each other so you're telling me, that America's greatest foe at the time didn't turn all their satellites and listening gear towards the Apollo mission and followed every second of it AND when they discovered Oh it was all a show... never told the fucking world about it???? but some idiots with a sun chart and severe retardation managed to figure out what the best scientists Russia had, couldn't??? mon nai....

 

[dave_d]

Not everyone only the catholic church. Basically Galileo get murdered by crazy conspiracy theorist because they thought they were created after God himself and therefore are the center of the universe.

I've been trying to stay out of this but Galileo actually got in trouble because when he published in Italian part of what he wrote where he argued for heliocentrism was misconstrued as calling people who believed in the omnipotence of god stupid. Here's another very interesting factoid about that whole thing, one of the reasons he did that was his old college friend asked him to do it. His old friend was kind of a big deal, he was the pope. BTW for those that don't know even by the time of Galileo the Catholic Church hadn't been biblical literalists for hundreds of years, they were and are control freaks. (I'll say it's mostly because they found out it was better for business to be that way. So in Galileo's time you decide to translate the bible without getting permission, you get set on fire.)

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Whats suspicious is that, after I was watching some flat earth videos last night, I decided to look up videos of the horizon line of the planet which should be curved, and all the official videos on youtube that get pushed show somebody recording the horizon line with a fucking fish-eye lens... which would make anything curvy.

~Why would they even need to do that if the earth was naturally curved?

I've seen a lot of flat earth stuff, it's entertaining.

Their biggest so-called 'evidence' is the long distance photography, with mirrors, lasers, infrared, etc.

Here's a link to a vid on infrared, haven't watched it yet


youtube link and bitchute link in case youtube link goes down.

500-Mile Infrared Visibility Impossible on Your Globe! FLAT EARTH [Mirror]

Please consider supporting BitChute by visiting https://www.bitchute.com/help-us-grow/ Mirroring to help preserve this ground-breaking work that provides empirical evidence that our world is flat and stationary, and NOT a sphere with an alleged circumference of 24,901 miles, despite what...

www.bitchute.com

Another thing that is interesting is all the ISS fakery, why would there be fakery in the ISS if it was real? For example one of the most damning fakeries, is one where the microphone is switched midvideo with a lower quality 3D model microphone. That is just ridiculous.

Another is that those with long hair have used extreme fix hairspray with hair spread out like they were a crazy inventor. Maybe they've fixed it in more recent vids and put more normal hairstyles, or allowed for flowing long hair, but it always looked weird that they had permanent hairspray with hair spreaded out like crazy.

Found this compilation of questionable stuff in space

Dean Marroni: A Wizard Did It - NASA Fails, ISS Space Fakery Compilation

Hehe :)

www.bitchute.com

in the following one there are two instances of astronaut turning transparent in part of the video.

ISS Fakery

None

www.bitchute.com

In the following there are various clips, but near the end is one of the clips of the microphone model switching, it is a bit low rez, I've seen other videos in higher rez and it is quite striking change the microphone undergoes at times.

New_2017_NASA_fakery_video._Hilarious_ISS_mishaps

None

www.bitchute.com

I think there is a chance it is possible that they have an unmanned satellite in the shape of the ISS circling the earth.

What do you make of the moon documentary I posted a few posts ago? I timestamped it at a good bit, but I watched the whole thing and it's very good documentary that goes into many government inadequacies or contradictions

I've seen a lot of moon documentaries. The most damning thing is a video that shows the flag start waving several meters away from the craft and with no astronaut nearby.

there are 2 reflectors on the moon that were placed there on the Apollo 11 mission. This reflectors can be used to prove the mission by anyone with a laser powerful enough.

These could be put by unmanned craft, also I've heard the moon is quite reflective on its own. IIRC, the reflected light caught on earth is only a few photons barely above noise.

Turns out Galileo's theory was right - it was the EARTH that in face revolved around the sun and the moon! But unfortunately he was locked up and sent to die for trying to bring out the truth. He was labelled a crazy conspiracy theorist and paid the price for it. Free speech get wrecckd

Nope, according to Einstein's theory of relativity they are both equally correct perspectives. Both heliocentrism and geocentrism are equally viable under relativity, and only on philosophical grounds do we choose one over the other(aka "we'd be too important if the earth was the center of the universe.). It is only out of convenience that we choose the sun as the central point. But geocentrism with a round earth is viable, and with certain models extremely simple too, as simple or simpler than heliocentrism.

Here is a link to quotes on geocentrism

Quotes in Favor of Geocentrism

The following are quotes I've copied from Robert Sungenis' documentary Journey to the Center of the Universe . I don't know how accurate the...

quotesandreferences.blogspot.com

edit: one of the quotes from the link

"So which is real, the Ptolemaic or Copernican system? Although it is not uncommon for people to say that Copernicus proved Ptolemy wrong, that is not true...one can use either picture as a model of the universe, for our observations of the heavens can be explained by assuming either the earth or the sun to be at rest."- Physicist, Stephen Hawking

And here's a trailer on a controversial documentary on geocentrism called the principle


EDIT 2:

Here's the quote on the simpler geocentric model

If we take the neo-Tychonic model, it is actually simpler and more elegant than the current standard model. The other planets orbit the Sun as per modern observations, but the Sun orbits the center of mass of the universe, which is the Earth.

This is observationally identical to the standard model but philosophically unwelcome.

Mathematically it is more elegant because it does away with cosmic inflation, the Lorentz contraction, etc. which were designed with the specific goal of avoiding an egocentric model.

Is it possible to construct a modern geocentric model?

Answer (1 of 4): A geocentric model would also be an ego-centric model. It would require you to believe that the whole universe revolves around you. But mathematically it would actually be simpler and more elegant. Perhaps you are thinking of the Ptolemaic system which required complex and inele...

www.quora.com

Some skeptics of it question that the sun could orbit the earth, but as was pointed by Einstein, iirc, and other famous physicists under relativity the earth too can be the one that is at rest instead of the sun.