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[Belfast]

I hope to god that is fake because if not that is the most horrible pratical joke every played on anyone in the world. I mean come on now the pratically scarred the guy for life just for their sick amusement.

Really? He seemed pretty excited when he "woke up."

This could be fake, but hypnosis can be pretty powerful and I think he was voluntarily accepting it in a way. He was playing the game and getting into the game. Just because he didn't know he was about to be hypnotized doesn't men his brain was locked out to the idea of it.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who has gone into a state of trance while getting into a video game. The hypnotizing is just an extension of that.

P.S. I'm glad all you professional hypnotists and psychologists out there are so convinced this is a 100% fake.

 

[ThongyDonk]

it was real. it was on TV a few weeks ago, he does this kinda thing all the time

 

[mr2mike]

I originally thought this would be about

 

[Funky Papa]

Island of Living Dead ain't bad either

 

[AniHawk]

Nevermind. Got it.

 

[Kiriku]

I found it strange that the guy didn't use any melee attacks at ALL. Even though he perhaps thought he was "in" the game, he must've realized that he had complete freedom of movement (he even threw the gun to the floor). So why didn't he even try to hit one of the "zombies" first? Isn't that more reasonable than to start shooting at some unknown person walking towards you? That's why it seemed fake to me.

 

[AniHawk]

I found it strange that the guy didn't use any melee attacks at ALL. Even though he perhaps thought he was "in" the game, he must've realized that he had complete freedom of movement (he even threw the gun to the floor). So why didn't he even try to hit one of the "zombies" first? Isn't that more reasonable than to start shooting at some unknown person walking towards you? That's why it seemed fake to me.

Well I'd like to stay as far the fuck away as possible if it were me.

 

[Kiriku]

Well I'd like to stay as far the fuck away as possible if it were me.

I just find the whole situation too extreme. Suddenly, zombies are for real according to this guy and he swiftly decides to shoot multiple times. It's a bit scary actually, that he was so willing to accept reality for a game in such a short amount of time and kill people. And he even had a couple of chances to strike them down, but the thought never seemed to cross his mind.

 

[newsguy]

P.S. I'm glad all you professional hypnotists and psychologists out there are so convinced this is a 100% fake.

Maybe GAF members watch informative shows like "Penn and Teller's BULLSHIT" where they expose phoneys like these constantly.

 

[Belfast]

Maybe GAF members watch informative shows like "Penn and Teller's BULLSHIT" where they expose phoneys like these constantly.

I have season 1 and 2 on DVD and season 3 episodes downloaded on my computer (can't get HBO here). Are you saying hypnotism isn't real?

 

[The Guivre]

Has anyone considered that rather than hypnotize the person with flashes he merely put him into a sort of seizure? Law enforcement agencies have been working on such things for years, series of flashing lights that essentially make people collapse by overloading their senses, in this case eyesight.

As for the whole "real" game. I am going to say it was a little weird he didn't beat down one or two zombies. It's not like he didn't warn him he was going to shoot them with that little non-gun. Then again, he had been drinking, so maybe the judgement isn't really there. Though it does raise the question of how well an avid gamer would do in a situation like that, would we actually be any better than the average Joe?

 

[Belfast]

Assuming he was hypontized in some way, which I do believe to be the case, he likely would've been locked into the mode of whatever he was doing whenever he was put under the influence. In this case, he was playing a light-gun based game where melee attacks aren't possible. And also, yes, the guy was giving him suggestions, especially when he was trying to get him to lay down or stand up straight (so he doesn't fall before they wake him up).

 

[Shaheed79]

Maybe GAF members watch informative shows like "Penn and Teller's BULLSHIT" where they expose phoneys like these constantly.

Oh great another Penn and Teller are the bible follower. The show bullshit is entertainment. They are just as biased as many of the organizations and trickery they call themselves defrauding. In fact they constitute a lot of what they are against like people believing the bullshit of certain factions, organizations ect. as factual. They are asking their audience to give them the same centric view that they "protest". I loved the first few episodes of bullshit but then I slowly started to see more and more loop-holes in their "absolute truth". The real truth is there is not a such thing as a real absolute truth so the concept of defrauding or debunking things that in affect ly in ones own perception of the world remain impossible to achieve. You don't try to debunk "God" you have no way of even approaching something like that. They only present the side of the argument that supports their own personal beliefs and people swallow it like the lemmings they tell them not to be.

 

[Shaheed79]

I'm not validating that the video is real but to those who say flashing lights have nothing to do with hypnotic suggestion you know very little about the subject matter. Our own government used simular techniques in all kinds of black-ops projects. They funded everything from psychics to remote readers and actually depending on these techniques to aid other parts of the military with amazing degrees of success.

 

[Particle Physicist]

I read the title as "Most Realistic ZELDA Game Ever" and I was disappointed it was about zombies

me too, what the fuck? i think we are hypnotized.

 

[Porridge]

if anything, this thread has reaffirmed my belief that zombies kick ASS

 

[Ghost]

Don't doubt Derren Brown, he'll use his evil wizard powers to kill you all in your sleep.




Seriously i dont know if this was real but he is a pretty amazing psychologist who can make people do whatever he wants using suggestion...theres videos somewhere of him walking up to random people in the street and getting them to give him all their money, they dont realise what they've done until about 5 seconds after he's gone.

 

[Blackace]

Assuming he was hypontized in some way, which I do believe to be the case, he likely would've been locked into the mode of whatever he was doing whenever he was put under the influence. In this case, he was playing a light-gun based game where melee attacks aren't possible. And also, yes, the guy was giving him suggestions, especially when he was trying to get him to lay down or stand up straight (so he doesn't fall before they wake him up).

I love this kind of logic... could he touch the dead people in the game? NO!

The thing that shows me this is 100% is the guys friends... some dude in a black trench comes out and swipes your buddy? ok...

 

[TekunoRobby]

Fake or not, I don't care. I want to make this game or integrate augmented reality with the same basic principle.

EDIT: Not the zombie part, I meant actually convincing people of the reality of the situation. Maybe that won't be possible if they know it’s a game but at least the seeds of confusion will grow during gameplay.

 

[newsguy]

Oh great another Penn and Teller are the bible follower. The show bullshit is entertainment. They are just as biased as many of the organizations and trickery they call themselves defrauding. In fact they constitute a lot of what they are against like people believing the bullshit of certain factions, organizations ect. as factual. They are asking their audience to give them the same centric view that they "protest". I loved the first few episodes of bullshit but then I slowly started to see more and more loop-holes in their "absolute truth". The real truth is there is not a such thing as a real absolute truth so the concept of defrauding or debunking things that in affect ly in ones own perception of the world remain impossible to achieve. You don't try to debunk "God" you have no way of even approaching something like that. They only present the side of the argument that supports their own personal beliefs and people swallow it like the lemmings they tell them not to be.

I know the show is entertainment, and they do edit content out to make their point. My point was about the particular episode they did on hypnotists. Just like anything you see on TV, this zombie thing was also entertainment. As a videographer, I can tell you that there were a couple of shots where the person on the handheld camera was probably close to the subject. If this was the case, the guy knew there was a camera there, and it's BS, unless zombies are into reality TV and then it's all good.

 

[Virgin Wii]

I'm sorry, but if you were in that situation and you'd seen a lot of zombie movies, you're fucking STUPID if you try to melee a zombie. That'd be the last thing I'd try to do.

 

[Belfast]

Oh great another Penn and Teller are the bible follower. The show bullshit is entertainment. They are just as biased as many of the organizations and trickery they call themselves defrauding. In fact they constitute a lot of what they are against like people believing the bullshit of certain factions, organizations ect. as factual. They are asking their audience to give them the same centric view that they "protest". I loved the first few episodes of bullshit but then I slowly started to see more and more loop-holes in their "absolute truth". The real truth is there is not a such thing as a real absolute truth so the concept of defrauding or debunking things that in affect ly in ones own perception of the world remain impossible to achieve. You don't try to debunk "God" you have no way of even approaching something like that. They only present the side of the argument that supports their own personal beliefs and people swallow it like the lemmings they tell them not to be.

My friends and I love watching Bullshit! and I find myself agreeing with a lot of what they say. They bring up some pretty interesting dirt, but once in awhile they will make a strange correllation or something. Like, the whole episode on circumcision in Season 3. I dunno, maybe it IS unnecessary in this day and age, but its not an entirely bad thing and I don't feel *wrong* for being circumcized at birth. They complain about the pain babies go through, but I haver *never* remembered that experience and few people ever do remember birth and the moments following.

Anyway, ask Penn and Teller themselves and they'll tell you to take what they say with a grain of salt. Not that they don't do a good job of exposing idiots, but that even they can't say that their version of things is the one and absolute truth. I think they've actually reiterated that several times throughout the series.

 

[demon]

Penn & Teller Bullshit is good, funny entertainment, and it does expose a lot of interesting bullshit. You just have to take what they say with a grain of salt and, yeah, understand that they can draw strange conclusions sometimes and be kind of hypocritical. Sometimes I don't even see what they're trying to get at, like the weight-loss episode. What was their point in that one? That it's impossible to change your shape? That fitness programs/products are all a sham? Obviously their end conclusion was that these fitness gurus greatly exaggerate what you can do to your body, but that episode was kind of all over the place in what it was trying to prove. That one didn't sit well with me.

 

[Belfast]

I love this kind of logic... could he touch the dead people in the game? NO!

The thing that shows me this is 100% is the guys friends... some dude in a black trench comes out and swipes your buddy? ok...

When you're hypnotized, you brain processes enter a certain kind of trance or feedback loop. Ever been into a game so much that you begin to forget about everything else around you? Also called being "in the zone?" Your brain is focused on and trapped by the rules of the game you are playing. This is like taking that to the next level. The subject couldn't tell the difference between fantasy and reality anymore, but he was already engaged in the fantasy when the hypnotism was performed. His brain, even though he is no longer actually playing the game, is stuck in the mode of playing the game. The rules of the game, being a light-gun shooter, mean that you can only use guns to kill enemies. Thus, that is the only way for this guy to think of attacking the zombies. When you're hypnotized, you can't really use basic logic.

Besides, as other have said, I wouldn't want to get anywhere NEAR a zombies, either, if I could use something at a distance to kill them.

 

[DDayton]

That was interesting...

Now, it is possible to get a small portion of the populace into a seizure-like, catatonic trance by using flashing lights in specific patterns, but that is supposed to be dangerous to enduce, if I remember correctly. This looked odd, but it is possible to put people under using something similar to what they claimed...

If someone were to suddenly end up in a position like that, wouldn't it be much like a dream? We've all had dreams where we thought we were actually in the situation at the time.

 

[Mihail]

When humans are in adrenaline-inducing situations like that, we don't scream. We get quiet, focused, and determined. It's just the way the brain works, and that guy needs to do some more research.

 

[Particle Physicist]

When humans are in adrenaline-inducing situations like that, we don't scream. We get quiet, focused, and determined. It's just the way the brain works, and that guy needs to do some more research.

um. not everyone reacts the same way. and he wasnt screaming at first.

 

[Baconäger]

Hypnosis is bullshit.

 

[DDayton]

Eh. Hypnosis is real, and used in medicine. Stage hypnosis is something entirely different... that's more of convincing someone it's okay to do something they'd normally never do.

However, the video file never claimed to be either of those. It claimed to be knocking a guy out, waking him up in a bizarre situation, them knocking him out again.

I could actually understand putting someone under using a series of light flashes... but you couldn't do it again just by walking up to him and touching his forehead, which is what happens at the end of the video.

 

[AniHawk]

Eh. Hypnosis is real, and used in medicine. Stage hypnosis is something entirely different... that's more of convincing someone it's okay to do something they'd normally never do.

However, the video file never claimed to be either of those. It claimed to be knocking a guy out, waking him up in a bizarre situation, them knocking him out again.

I could actually understand putting someone under using a series of light flashes... but you couldn't do it again just by walking up to him and touching his forehead, which is what happens at the end of the video.

Maybe he hit a certain pressure point?

 

[Kiriku]

When you're hypnotized, you brain processes enter a certain kind of trance or feedback loop. Ever been into a game so much that you begin to forget about everything else around you? Also called being "in the zone?" Your brain is focused on and trapped by the rules of the game you are playing. This is like taking that to the next level. The subject couldn't tell the difference between fantasy and reality anymore, but he was already engaged in the fantasy when the hypnotism was performed. His brain, even though he is no longer actually playing the game, is stuck in the mode of playing the game. The rules of the game, being a light-gun shooter, mean that you can only use guns to kill enemies. Thus, that is the only way for this guy to think of attacking the zombies. When you're hypnotized, you can't really use basic logic.

Besides, as other have said, I wouldn't want to get anywhere NEAR a zombies, either, if I could use something at a distance to kill them.

But in how many lightgun games can you put your gun down on the floor? And run into a room and lock the door? Or is it just the rule "gun kills zombie" that's valid in this "game"?

 

[border]

It looks fake as all get-out. It seems pretty unlikely that you can zonk someone out with some flashing lights in a video game (and not have them collapse to the floor)....seems even more unlikely that someone would let a stranger haul their disabled friend into a vacant building.

The big kicker is that they somehow put him back into a trance just by touching him or something. I might have believed it up until there, but they really just stretched the hoax too far.

Can the Derren Brown fans point to actual other instances of lights being used to induce catatonia or some kind of hypnotic state?

 

[demon]

Can the Derren Brown fans point to actual other instances of lights being used to induce catatonia or some kind of hypnotic state?

 

[Virgin Wii]

It looks fake as all get-out. It seems pretty unlikely that you can zonk someone out with some flashing lights in a video game (and not have them collapse to the floor)....

If flashing lights can put someone into a seizure, why can't they zonk somebody out?

seems even more unlikely that someone would let a stranger haul their disabled friend into a vacant building.

As was said before, the guy has a weekly show in the UK. He's a celebrity there. I already made this point. To put it into perspective, let's you're out with a friend and he asked you to watch his backpack so he can go to a restroom. After he leaves, the guy who does Punked (Ashton Kutcher, I think?) comes up to you, followed by a camera crew, and grabs your friend's backpack. He gives you some kind of wink or something and starts walking off. What are you gonna do, scream, "hey, what are you doing asshole?!" and try to stop him. Of course not.

 

[border]

If flashing lights can put someone into a seizure, why can't they zonk somebody out?

Well if they can induce seizures, maybe they can make you shit your pants too. Would you have believed that if some guy put it on TV?

Flashing lights put epileptics into a seizure, not just any old person. And it's a well-documented phenonmenon.....still waiting to hear about previous cases of light-induced catatonia or hypnosis. He claims that this will work on 1/3 of the population, so how come nobody else is able to pull it off fairly regularly?

 

[Virgin Wii]

Well if they can induce seizures, maybe they can make you shit your pants too. Would you have believed that if some guy put it on TV?

Flashing lights put epileptics into a seizure, not just any old person. And it's a well-documented phenonmenon.....still waiting to hear about previous cases of light-induced catatonia or hypnosis. He claims that this will work on 1/3 of the population, so how come nobody else is able to pull it off fairly regularly?

I'll just be honest: I can't give you a good answer. Don't know much about hypnosis, other than you can put people into trances with it and totally fuck up their memories/automatic responses. But since the brain is just an organic computer, it would seem logical to me that sensory inputs can command it to do certain things just as we can command our desktops through a keyboard and mouse.

 

[ThongyDonk]

Can the Derren Brown fans point to actual other instances of lights being used to induce catatonia or some kind of hypnotic state?

as i said he recently performed a celebrity special, and after the show over half the people interviewed couldn't remember what they had just seen

 

[border]

as i said he recently performed a celebrity special, and after the show over half the people interviewed couldn't remember what they had just seen

That doesn't have anything to do with light-induced hypnosis/catatonia, unless you are totally leaving some aspect out of it.

 

[StRaNgE]

If flashing lights can put someone into a seizure, why can't they zonk somebody out?



As was said before, the guy has a weekly show in the UK. He's a celebrity there. I already made this point. To put it into perspective, let's you're out with a friend and he asked you to watch his backpack so he can go to a restroom. After he leaves, the guy who does Punked (Ashton Kutcher, I think?) comes up to you, followed by a camera crew, and grabs your friend's backpack. He gives you some kind of wink or something and starts walking off. What are you gonna do, scream, "hey, what are you doing asshole?!" and try to stop him. Of course not.

yes i'd tackle him and get my friends shit back.


only thing makes me wonder the most is his friends reactions.

if i was out with a friend and that shit went down i'd be a lot more vocal about what the fuck was happening with my bud.

 

[DCharlie]

As stated at the start of Derren Browns show " this is all done via suggestion and 'other' methods that aren't magic" - the most amazing things he does are just every day stuff...

the episode where he consistantly gets the Guy in Blackpool to hand over his wallet (THREE times) , or Simon Pegg a) unwittingly changing his mind about his 'birthday present' b) seeing the way that Darren basically 'codes' him to say what he wants him to say - subliminally just pounding him is just amazing. It's not magic, it's just suggestion and that's what makes Brown so very very interesting.

I saw the zombie thing and thought it could well be fake - but then again, for what reason would they do it given all the other material that basically isn't faked?

I guess i HOPE it's faked....