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Tbh, that relationship between a men and women, seems to be a costan in Kim KiDuk's films.Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
Think about Bad Guy, Seom(it's inverted here), The Bow, and so on.
I haven't seen Autumn, Winter.. i'm going by your description, but it seems like a recurring element.
Giard said:
He only calls him Teddy after determining that the treatment didn't work. For the second part of your query...
big ander said:
I agree it's an ambiguous ending, but in the sense that
we don't know if Edward actually relapsed or if Teddy simply faked the breakthrough. I'm more inclined to believe the latter only because of the lengths we've already seen him go through to try and find the imaginary Edward and expose the truth of the facility, including the injury of several staff members and destroying a car, and that he knows about the lobotomy procedure, but to what end on his part?
EDIT: Out of curiosity, how does the book end? Is it more definitive or was it ambiguous?
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Eyes Wide Shut. It was the first Kubrick film I saw which disappointed me. Maybe he was too old to make a film like he used to. Specifically, I didn't like the fact that there was no actual climax in the film and that many parts seemed unconnected. I didn't like the surrealness of this one and it seemed to be like a badly done David Lynch movie.
I had the same opinion while watching Barry Lyndon but it redeemed itself with the duel near the end. That one actually had some type of climax.
In this movie you can't consider the orgy scene the climax (no pun intended) because A. Immediately after a climax some change must have occurred and the rest needs to be a falling action. B. Climaxes don't occur only 40% of the way through the film.
idk. Can someone redeem this movie for me? Perhaps an analysis of it? It just seems like a very well done porno to me.
Ranking of Kubrick Films:
1. A Clockwork Orange
1 (tied). 2001
2. Dr. Strangelove
3. Full Metal Jacket
4. The Shining
5. Barry Lyndon
6. Eyes Wide Shut
Haven't seen Lolita or the earlier ones.
I had the same opinion while watching Barry Lyndon but it redeemed itself with the duel near the end. That one actually had some type of climax.
In this movie you can't consider the orgy scene the climax (no pun intended) because A. Immediately after a climax some change must have occurred and the rest needs to be a falling action. B. Climaxes don't occur only 40% of the way through the film.
idk. Can someone redeem this movie for me? Perhaps an analysis of it? It just seems like a very well done porno to me.
Ranking of Kubrick Films:
1. A Clockwork Orange
1 (tied). 2001
2. Dr. Strangelove
3. Full Metal Jacket
4. The Shining
5. Barry Lyndon
6. Eyes Wide Shut
Haven't seen Lolita or the earlier ones.
Discotheque
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wow, my two favorite kubrick films at the bottom. 
He sure have some personal problems in that department, but i don't have a problem with it.
I found them interesting, actually.
Troubled or obsessed people are not necessarily bonded to produce bad or insincere art.
(that is, until they keep their problems and obsessions in the realm of legality)
Again, not talking about that film in particular which can be bad on its own right, i'm talking in general, infact, i like Seom and Bad Guy a lot, and both exhibit a more than questionable moral undertone.
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Also, The fact that he's ignored in South Korea.. i don't know how much that really matter, since from what i've read about South Korea, it seems like a pretty misogynistic culture (but i'm Italian, so not talking from an high horse here
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I found them interesting, actually.
Troubled or obsessed people are not necessarily bonded to produce bad or insincere art.
(that is, until they keep their problems and obsessions in the realm of legality)
Again, not talking about that film in particular which can be bad on its own right, i'm talking in general, infact, i like Seom and Bad Guy a lot, and both exhibit a more than questionable moral undertone.
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Also, The fact that he's ignored in South Korea.. i don't know how much that really matter, since from what i've read about South Korea, it seems like a pretty misogynistic culture (but i'm Italian, so not talking from an high horse here
).TheKaeptain
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Kim Ki-Duk hate
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A gaffer told me he was a visionary. I believed him.
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A gaffer told me he was a visionary. I believed him.
GhostRidah
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Anyone else using http://mubi.com/ to score/track films? Really like the design of it and its faster than imdb
TheKaeptain
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I have an account there but never use it.
Not gonna lie, I really loved Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter...And Spring and 3-Iron, but nothing Snowman has said really rings false. Sometimes, I think I watch something and it just hits a note even when looking at something in retrospect that might cause me to think lesser of the art. And I suppose I could remedy this by watching the film again, but I'm always trying to watch something new, so it probably won't happen any time soon.
http://mubi.com/users/1017177
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http://mubi.com/users/1017177
Danne-Danger
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Paths of Glory could be his best film, put that on your to-do list ASAP!Misanthropy said:
ThisWreckage
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Misanthropy said:
I'm not sure I understand your critique. I don't think a film has to have a climax. I always viewed Alice's revelation that she would have given up everything to fuck a naval officer to be the climax because it sends Dr. Bill on his odyssey.
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FollowedMeliorism said:
Damn you rated Red State a 1 star and I am about to see it in a few days... hope its at least decent.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Eyes Wide Shut is not really a film with a strong climax. Kidman's speech about the naval officer is really the inciting action more than anything, and if there IS a climactic moment, it's either the revelation by Pollack's character that he was at the orgy or Cruise's discovery of the mask lying on the pillow, prompting his own emotional breakdown and the revelation of his odyssey to Kidman (I'd say quite probably the latter, since it happens so near the end and is probably the thing that creates the greatest lasting change for either character).
Edit: Watch Paths of Glory, mang; it's one of the all-time great war films, and Dax is one of the greatest hero characters in all of cinema.
Edit: Watch Paths of Glory, mang; it's one of the all-time great war films, and Dax is one of the greatest hero characters in all of cinema.
ThisWreckage
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Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
You're likely right because that's when he breaks down and says, "I'll tell you everything."
I tend to agree with the other poster that thinks that the marriage is irretrievably broken in EWS. I love the film because of all of its ambiguity.
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icarus-daedelus said:
Blow-Up is one of the first ones on my list after I finish the 250 (only 22 to go!); of the three Antonioni films that I've seen, Red Desert and L'Eclisse were both amazing, while L'avventura was mediocre after the first hour or so.
Edit: Also, the original Manchurian Candidate is fantastic; Angela Lansbury simply kills it in that movie.
TheKaeptain
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Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
You just say fuck off 250 and watch Blow-Up.
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Giard said:
Of course
he is crazy. I don't see how it can even be ambiguous in any way
Giard said:
He hasn't relapsed YET at that point, but he is acting like he did, because he is giving up. He doesn't want to accept reality, so he decides to become an imaginary victim of the plot he had imagined, because he doesn't want to live on as someone who killed his wife.
big ander said:
No, it's actually the flaw of the movie. It ISN'T ambiguous at all.
Cars 2, thanks to the late summer kids program at our local theater.
Cars is my most disliked Pixar film. Cars 2 lands near the bottom as well, though above the first a touch. The narrative is really quite a mess. Comment on the 3rd race:
I really hope Cars 3 doesn't happen. I'm really sick of these characters.
Cars is my most disliked Pixar film. Cars 2 lands near the bottom as well, though above the first a touch. The narrative is really quite a mess. Comment on the 3rd race:
they had so much trouble juggling the plot threads the film just completely ditches the race entirely after a few minutes, including the outcome and fallout.
I really hope Cars 3 doesn't happen. I'm really sick of these characters.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Blader5489 said:
Yep. He can't deal with what he did and fakes it so they can forcefully neuter him.
TheKaeptain
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That would explain the fake gun in his holster.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Capt: I'm so close, I'm not gonna eff the 250 now! After I finish it's back to "watch what I want, when I want."
I looked at your ICM profile to see what you have left. If you haven't seen Good Will Hunting, let me know what you think of it when you get to it. It's come up on another board that I post on, and they all think it's great, and I'm just kind of surprised. I like the movie, but it's nothing incredible.
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Yeah, that's a popular one that I just never really got around to for some reason.
Good Will Hunting gets better with the passage of time. I thought it was pretty good when it came out but wasn't over the moon about it. And every time I've seen it since then my estimation of it grows. I realize what a great script is there, I appreciate Williams', Damon's and Skarsgard's performances even more, and the film hits me more emotionally than it did when I first saw it. Good mix of humor to go with the heavy stuff, great supporting cast (Minnie Driver = *swoon*), all this stuff combines to make it a great film.Meliorism said:
I don't like to rate movies. But when I do, I subscribe to the icarus-daedelus 6 point scale. /Dos Equis Guy
Good Will Hunting is a solid 5 out of 6
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icarus-daedelus said:
That's coming up for me, man. Not looking forward to it. BUT I must persevere, as clearly it is important to have seen every film from a list compiled by the internet.
IceDoesntHelp
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Saw Apollo 18 today. It was decent, I guess. Too similar to Alien at times, had a tendency to be boring, and was just overall not very exciting.
5/10
5/10
TheKaeptain
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Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
I have 31 left but some are movies I watched along time ago, but I don't want to check them off because I don't remember it.
icarus-daedelus said:
LOL, something tells me you're gonna hate that with a passion, but i might be wrong.Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
It's always amusing though, to witness Benigni's obsession for is wife.
I usually hate Benigni's recent cinema (i liked his comical stuff, like Johnny Stecchino or Il Mostro) i should rewatch Life is Beautiful again though, i watched it last time years ago, when it came out in the theaters.
Anyway.
4:30.
Cute idea, but didn't do anything for me, really.
The characters were not fleshed out enough and the directing was very confusing.
Bedevilled.
Awesome revenge movie, though
the ending moments dragged on a bit too much and lost some power (especially the final part in the police station)
Also the male characters were a bit flat, but hey.
Human Centipede.
Masterpiece, i'm in awe, just 2 questions:
1)
How fucking dumb must you be, to leave the scalpel in the doc's leg and bite him, instead of simply cutting his throat with the damn thing?
Is Dr. Hainer to be considered a scientist or an artist?
Watched There Will Be Blood for the first time. Roger Ebert pretty much sums up my feelings, but I will elaborate:
I'm a bit torn on Day Lewis' performance, on one hand it's a textbook example of an actor slipping into a role and completely disappearing. On the other hand, I've always been of the mind that the best performances are the ones where you don't feel like the actor is putting on a performance or really "notice" they're acting, but here you could be forgiven for thinking Day Lewis felt like he was on a stage the whole time. The guy never takes a moment to breathe, he looked like he was ready to snap at any moment.
But, there were moments when I was watching film where I said literally to myself, "Man, Day Lewis is acting the shit out of this movie." I would actually draw comparisons to Christian Bale in American Psycho. The film is solely about this character and their universe, and you only get fleeting glimpses of the outside world or a scene where the protagonist isn't in the frame.
Much like American Psycho, there was never a moment where I was bored or uninterested; I never had any idea what the main character would do next. Definitely a solid film, but very bizarre.
I'm a bit torn on Day Lewis' performance, on one hand it's a textbook example of an actor slipping into a role and completely disappearing. On the other hand, I've always been of the mind that the best performances are the ones where you don't feel like the actor is putting on a performance or really "notice" they're acting, but here you could be forgiven for thinking Day Lewis felt like he was on a stage the whole time. The guy never takes a moment to breathe, he looked like he was ready to snap at any moment.
and the ending was...well, bleh
But, there were moments when I was watching film where I said literally to myself, "Man, Day Lewis is acting the shit out of this movie." I would actually draw comparisons to Christian Bale in American Psycho. The film is solely about this character and their universe, and you only get fleeting glimpses of the outside world or a scene where the protagonist isn't in the frame.
Much like American Psycho, there was never a moment where I was bored or uninterested; I never had any idea what the main character would do next. Definitely a solid film, but very bizarre.
Man that's the ONE film I've considered watching (only because it's on the top 250 IMDB) but I've held it off for years, if only because it sounds like something I'd hate 100%, and for what it's worth, my dad has actually seen it, and he hated it, in addition all his complaints seem to be exactly what i expect from a film with that premise.
His own misogyny seems to hold back the execution of his art tho, especially when he tries to portray male-on-female relationships in the number of films I've seen by him, and it just comes off as awkward and very poorly done. I also feel like a lot of his spiritual buddhist films (i heard his earlier films have a different tone from that) come off as manufactured in terms of tone and the overall message, especially since i recall reading that he identifies himself as a christian, and doesn't really give a shit about buddhism.
ThisWreckage
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I actually think that There Will Be Blood is PTA's weakest film outside of maybe Hard Eight.
HiResDes said:
This was one year where the Academy nailed it. The direction in NCfOM was better than TWBB, the picture as a whole was better, but Daniel Day-Lewis's performance was indeed better than any single performance in NCfOM. Ebert was right. TWBB is called great too easily. It is good, but not good enough as a whole to be considered great.
No Country For Old Men is kind of rudimentary in theme, whereas I found There Will Be Blood to be a much more complex piece of work...Not that that makes it necessarily makes it better, but in this particular case I think There Will Be Blood is the more rewarding of the two.
I think he fails when he tries to go more down to earth, with realism and realistic characters.Lafiel said:
That's why i like 3 Iron, Bad Guy and Seom, because i found him to be less worried in trying to tell a tradiotional story between two people, and more about telling one on a single character with the other as an element to highlight his/her personality.
Maybe that's something only i saw in there, totally misreading them, but for example: In 3-Iron i interpret the young male as imaginary, as a part of the girl's character-- ofcourse he's physical storywise, but metaphorically, the scene at the end i see it as a delusional desire for a gentle quiet love, that she has not the power or the will to live, so she sticks with the abusive asshole husband, while having an affair with a ghost (basically).
Similar thing in Bad Guy and Seom.
See I found the opposite to be true. I thought TWBB was rather simplistic in its themes. There were peripheral things like capitalism, revenge, and an anemic commentary on religion/Godhood, but all of those were very lightly touched upon under the main theme which was the greed of man.HiResDes said:
NCfOM explored greed, corruption of man, the nature of evil, nihilism, and man's struggle to adapt to a world which rapidly changes around him. Nothing rudimentary about any of that as far as I can tell, at least not as explored in NCfOM.
I do think that TWBB's cinematography blows NCfOM's out of the water. TWBB is astonishing to look at.
Flying_Phoenix
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No Country for Old Men is very overrated.
Anyway finally watched this
David once again shows that he's one of the best directors in the industry.
Anyway finally watched this
David once again shows that he's one of the best directors in the industry.
TheKaeptain
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UrbanRats said:
Just finished the movie. damn. I loved it.
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