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[MALpractice311]

NeoGAF: Where libertarianism rules supreme, except if my hobby becomes too expensive, then someone should make a law!

 

[ZoukGalaxy]

When you think you just have to not buy the product to make it cheaper, another first world problem ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Mister Wolf]

Just pay the scalpers.

 

[CLW]

advertising candy for 1$ outside the shop but inside selling it for 5$ is not free market.
It's false advertising. There are laws for this.
You don't get to enjoy advertising at low prices but selling at completely different prices.

Yes the PROBLEM is the usual "starting at....." or "UP to......100% off" as long as one POS is 100% off and nothing else is on sale they satisfied the law

 

[Zacfoldor]

Free market is free

Well ackshuwally...

When a store accepts products usually they can't sell below MSRP so they aren't undercutting other stores. If they do, the people making the product may stop letting them sell it. That is often why they have to do the "see price in cart" thing. Also, some manufacturers will have MAP holidays where all vendors will set their own price.

It's free....in a way....kinda....but you can't buy anything that has ever been banned either.

Anyway, manufacturers are super strict about not letting people undercut their msrp and devalue their product. However, when it goes the other way and people want to charge MORE than MSRP that usually is considered super scummy too. In fact if the product was needed to live it would likely be illegal, aka price gouging. Why hasn't NVIDIA stepped in to stop blatant price gouging? It's considered an unfair business practice.

The fact that Nvidia enforces a minimum MSRP for their cards but apparently is fine with randos raising the maximum in order to maximize profits based off their own artificial scarcity is hypocritical at the very least, no? I love Nvidia because of their products but their business practice has been up there with some of the most scummy ever imho. EVGA quit because of it, did they not?

 

[LavitzSlambert]

Manufacturers have people tripping over themselves to overpay. Their margins are ridiculous. Maybe if people stopped overpaying, we would get some leverage back. These businesses need to make money to stay in business much more than we actually need these products.

 

[Puscifer]

I thought FE models directly from Nvidia go for those prices, too bad they dont sell those in europe (i think at least, never seen one).

At this point AIB cards dont deserve to exist, not sure why Nvidia and AMD even bother with them and dont sell only directly.

They do. Best Buy restocks them often

 

[Puscifer]

Well ackshuwally...

When a store accepts products usually they can't sell below MSRP so they aren't undercutting other stores. If they do, the people making the product may stop letting them sell it. That is often why they have to do the "see price in cart" thing. Also, some manufacturers will have MAP holidays where all vendors will set their own price.

It's free....in a way....kinda....but you can't buy anything that has ever been banned either.

Anyway, manufacturers are super strict about not letting people undercut their msrp and devalue their product. However, when it goes the other way and people want to charge MORE than MSRP that usually is considered super scummy too. In fact if the product was needed to live it would likely be illegal, aka price gouging. Why hasn't NVIDIA stepped in to stop blatant price gouging? It's considered an unfair business practice.

The fact that Nvidia enforces a minimum MSRP for their cards but apparently is fine with randos raising the maximum in order to maximize profits based off their own artificial scarcity is hypocritical at the very least, no? I love Nvidia because of their products but their business practice has been up there with some of the most scummy ever imho. EVGA quit because of it, did they not?

TL;DR EVGA got out of the game over this. Nvidia is trying to become the only AIB for their cards by forcing third parties out of the game. EVGA was barely making profit, it's why third party cards are so CRAZY priced now so they can make something after purchase, R&D and shipping and they would screw their biggest long term partner in the process.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

if I as a consumer have no access to MSRP pricing, it should not exist.
It used to be that official retailers/partners like Media Markt for example, always upheld MSRP pricing.
But no MSRP pricing does not exist. Not a single card released this year could be found even existing at MSRP here in Europe.
If consumer have no access to MSRP and not even a chance at access.... what's the point on advertising it?! Should be illegal.

Starting prices (so cheapest prices I personally saw available at for 1 nanosecond for cheapest, loudest ventus pos cards)
5080 - 4k$
5070ti - 950$
9070xt - 900$

I understand economy and demand/supply laws but this is clearly a controlled market.
Promote cards at MSRP. have a fictional model that is at msrp (never to be seen) and sell at crazy prices.
Then big uncle asks Lisa Sue at a dinner table to collaborate on AMD side too and do the same thing. It is all controlled.

Used to be, I was able to buy anything I wanted not only for msrp pricing but promotional pricing. Retailers had to fight over customers.
What happened now? Every single device/component/console released nowadays have to be hunted down for any price you can find it at.
The prices now not only are insane to begin with (msrp) but even that does not exist and everything is more expensive.
Not long ago, when 10XX cards were new, you were able to get them normally. No problem. Then crypto started in the middle of that generation and then covid few years later.

My point being - If customer is not able to EVER find advertised product for msrp pricing... there should be a legal body controlling that. Because they shouldn't get the privilege of advertising price X when in reality price X is not possible and even partners and biggest retailers sell for price X+50%....

MSRP: Manufacturer *suggested* retail price.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

BUT MSRP stands for manufacturers SUGGESTED retail price…

I see where you are coming from, and I think Nvidia is sleazy with the pricing, because I have never seen an Nvidia price go down unless it’s a new model.
AMD is not afraid to lower prices in the future.

Nvidia does lower prices in response to AMD. The 7800xt caused Nvidia to lower 4070 prices.

 

[rofif]

MSRP: Manufacturer *suggested* retail price.

...everyone knows that

 

[Schmendrick]

The intro posting is a mixture of "old man yells at cloud" and "holy shit does that guy seriously not understand the basics of capitalism" then I read the author..... Let's just say that explained a few things.....

 

[Fbh]

I mean, yeah it sucks that MSRP for GPUs in particular is mostly bullshit.
Should it be enforced by law? Nah.

If you want to get mad at someone get mad at Nvidia/AMD for not doing more to ensure their partners actually stick to the MSRP.
Like I have a business and some big brands will literally tell us "you sell at the price we tell your or we just stop supplying you".

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Today OP learned the acronym MSRP stands for "Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retail Price"

 

[mckmas8808]

Gamers: "Vote with your wallets!"

Also gamers:

Yep! That's the problem in a nut shell.

 

[kazuyamishima]

It's called Capitalism.

Can You Dig it, Sucka?

 

[ByWatterson]

So the "S" in MSRP

 

[Guilty_AI]

Laws are fake and we should stop demanding a new one for every little thing

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

There's nothing fake about it, you just don't understand what it means. Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price. That's it - just a suggestion. Are we doing price controls now? Just don't buy it, we're talking about a luxury item here in particular..! Would you be surprised to learn that, for example, fuel stations all price things very differently? A station one mile from another may have a completely different price for Snickers or Coke - and then another different one located 20 miles away and so on.

This a problem to take up with retailers and those receiving the product and marking it up. Means they are likely gouging to some extent, making large profits as the MSRP indicates that they are certainly receiving it at a price point which they can make profit at MSRP, feasting on demand that they are collectively creating to some extent. Even still...

Well ackshuwally...

When a store accepts products usually they can't sell below MSRP so they aren't undercutting other stores. If they do, the people making the product may stop letting them sell it. That is often why they have to do the "see price in cart" thing. Also, some manufacturers will have MAP holidays where all vendors will set their own price.

Maybe in certain markets or for certain products, but I've never heard of anything like this being enforced in any market I've been privy to. What kind of products in particular are you speaking to her? I'm not intricately familiar with PC hardware market, so if that's what it's related to I could be unaware for sure.