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[Neoweee]

She was fired? Wow lol. I guess the manchildren got their way

LOL. You have no idea what you're talking about.

The brutal crackdown against those man children happened in the aftermath of her getting fired. If anything, they lost, big.

 

[FullmetalPain]

LOL. You have no idea what you're talking about.

The brutal crackdown against those man children happened in the aftermath of her getting fired. If anything, they lost, big.

Lol what happened? I know a lot of them migrated to VOAT. Sadly, that's just more proof that deleting 4chan won't solve a thing

 

[Obliterator]

I often wondered, if the forefathers could see what America was like in 2015, would they have continued to put in that right to bear arms amendment?

I'm not American (Canadian), but if they saw the absolute shit that goes down today in USA, and the advancements in gun technology and the ease of acquiring guns....

No way in fuck. When the founding fathers were around guns were single shot weapons with crazy load times. You would be lucky to take out 1 person.

Now any deranged fucking lunatic can gun down dozens

 

[Maddness]

I am a person who likes guns. I enjoy shooting at the range and I enjoy hunting. That said, I don't love guns. I can easily live without guns and I honestly think stricter gun laws at the very least should be implemented. The problem is there are so many people who don't see it that way. I don't know a gun owner that would be willing to give up their guns. There's no buy back program, no law that's going to make most of these people want to willfully give back their guns.

So honestly I'm at a huge loss as to how we'd get rid of weapons in the US. I think that aspect is highly unlikely and that is unfortunate. It's a shitty problem. I mean you can enact way stricter gun laws and way tighter gun owner rights, but how do we as a nation address the already existing guns that are out there and in homes of people who aren't willing to give them up? A person who wants to shoot someone could easily get a gun from an already existing source easier I'd imagine than going out and buying one. I might be wrong (and I hope I am) but I feel like gun owners are a majority in this nation. I want change and I hope for change and I'll vote for change, but I am not ignorant of the fact that it's a lot tougher than just claiming it on a forum as well.

Here's hoping something can be done soon and we can stop all this bullshit death. As a parent it depresses the shit out of me and it makes me worry for my children.

Edit: I'd also like to state that I, myself, do not keep a gun at my home. I will rent one at a range if I want to shoot or if I go hunting I'll borrow one from a family member. I have a dog at home and she does a great job at making me feel safe.

 

[RoKKeR]

Just got a CNN notification about the guy's name. Fuck right off.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Lol what happened?

She basically had little to do with the board closures and new policies. She was just acting as the front for one of the founding board members who is still there.

 

[Rebel Leader]

I often wondered, if the forefathers could see what America was like in 2015, would they have continued to put in that right to bear arms amendment?

I'm not American (Canadian), but if they saw the absolute shit that goes down today in USA, and the advancements in gun technology and the ease of acquiring guns....

not only in technology but the United state back then was very small and there were multiple Countries with claims, so then it may have felt necessary

 

[spootime]

What's going on is that trump isn't right and is just using mental health as a scape goat so as to take the blame off guns. America has no more mental health issues than the rest of the world, yet nowhere else has these sort of issues in terms of gun related deaths. Why do you think that is?

Some of these incidents are caused by mental health, others aren't (althought it's usually blamed for it). Whatever the case they wouldn't happen if guns weren't so readily available, you only have to look anywhere else to see this is the case.

That's not to say mental health isn't an issue, it is and not just in America. Globally it's an issue that doesn't get the attention or funding it deserves. However it is not the cause of Americas gun problems.

Edit: the people bringing up mental health don't give a fuck about actually improving mental health. If trump got in power he would do nothing to actually help that cause. If anything they add to the negative stereotype associated with mental health by constantly blaming it for problems like this.

The 8500 gun related deaths this year aren't all caused by mental health, they are all related to gun control. No amount of smokescreening and blame shifting will change that.

Good post. Deflecting to mental health has become the go-to strategy of people who really don't want to discuss gun control.

 

[ScatheZombie]

Mental health is the problem, you say?

Ok GOP, we'll focus on health. As in health care. As in universal health care. For everyone. To prevent these shootings.

I expect to see a bill drafted shortly.

 

[Jonm1010]

I often wondered, if the forefathers could see what America was like in 2015, would they have continued to put in that right to bear arms amendment?

I'm not American (Canadian), but if they saw the absolute shit that goes down today in USA, and the advancements in gun technology and the ease of acquiring guns....

Of course not. For all their faults the main framers of the constitution had some pretty progressive ideas at the time, even if some of them were weighed down by their draconian ones and we got a flawed founding constitution because of it.

No emerging democracy outlines this sort of broad, vague, right to bear firearms type of amendment in the modern age. For good reason.

Just think about this for a second, George W. Bush and his very conservative nation building team were deeply driven to get it right with Iraq after the colossal fuck up that was the invasion and aftermath. That tried to initially create a semi-conservative utopia of ideas at Iraq's various ministries. Indicating how much they actually believed in their conservative ideals.

A Bush administration that was intimately involved with drafting the constitution on Iraq. Even they knew how crazy our second amendment law was so they omitted any sort of guarantee for the right to bear arms. In fact they even made it fairly easy for statutory law to heavily regulate gun ownership.

When push comes to shove even slightly un-reasonable, highly ideological conservatives know the 2nd amendment isnt a great idea for a nation. The politics of it are what make none of them ever come out and say it.

 

[luxarific]

I don't understand why we can't require that gun owners have insurance. I feel like all the costs of gun crimes such as this is borne by the victims and society. Some of that cost needs to be borne by the people who own guns.

 

[AdventureRacing]

I would say the decision to go on a shooting spree and killing others doesn't really ever involve a healthy state of mind.

I don't think that's really relevant. The point is that not every person who commits an act of gun related violence has a mental health issue. People are capable of heinous acts without having a mental health disorder. People are also prone to acting irrationally in the heat of the moment.

A murder involving a gun doesn't always involve a lot of decision making. Humans are capable of acting irrationally or having faulty thought processes without having a mental illness. Even perfectly intelligent, rational people can do seemingly stupid or thoughtless actions.

Regardless though it's kind of irrelevant. Even if we assume that every act of murder, more particularly mass murder, is due to some form of mental illness or someone not of a healthy mind. There is still the question of why these incidents only happen with any sort of regularity in the America and the answer is very simple.

 

[FlyinJ]

And yet not one of the candidates has a proposal that will expand mental health coverage or research as part of their platforms.

Thats why these cries are hollow at best, disgusting at worse.

Because at their core they are using it as a deliberate shield to block discussion on gun control and if they actually do think it is a mental health issue they clearly don't give much of a shit because they have zero policies to address it. Which makes their actions basically speak for them and say "we don't actually care."

They want these lazy mentally unstable people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get enough money to get their own help so they will stop shooting people.

 

[bonesmccoy]

I often wondered, if the forefathers could see what America was like in 2015, would they have continued to put in that right to bear arms amendment?

I'm not American (Canadian), but if they saw the absolute shit that goes down today in USA, and the advancements in gun technology and the ease of acquiring guns....

Read the 2nd amendment and you'll get your answer.

 

[MaximumSpider]

Was that fucking /r9k/?

 

[Miracle]

What's R9K?

 

[Rebel Leader]

Read the 2nd amendment and you'll get your answer.

But are they still needed to keep a "free state?"

 

[Hatchtag]

What's R9K?

A 4chan board called Robot9000. It's /b/ but with an experimental rule that attempts to block content from being reposted.

Anyways, is there any actual evidence this time? I remember for Sandy Hook and VT people on 4chan tried to troll the media that it was them, because it's easy to troll like that in a crisis. But those times people just sent in photoshops, and this time it seems to be there was an actual post? But is there anything past that? Because that's fairly vague and there's a lot of edgelords on 4chan.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Man, I wonder how the guy who just bought 4chan will handle this brewing media shitstorm.

/r9k/ is such shit.

A 4chan board called Robot9000. It's /b/ but with an experimental rule that attempts to block content from being reposted.

Anyways, is there any actual evidence this time? I remember for Sandy Hook and VT people on 4chan tried to troll the media that it was them, because it's easy to troll like that in a crisis. But those times people just sent in photoshops, and this time it seems to be there was an actual post? But is there anything past that? Because that's fairly vague and there's a lot of edgelords on 4chan.

Well somebody actually posted that yesterday, it's not a shop and it's still in the archive. Gut feeling is that was really him.

 

[DrForester]

26-year-old

Spoiler

Chris Harper Mercer

is the shit head murderer

Weren't they saying it was a 20 year old earlier?

 

[zeopower6]

Man, I wonder how the guy who just bought 4chan will handle this brewing media shitstorm.

/r9k/ is such shit.

Probably the same way he deals with 2ch, which is by cooperating with authorities. But anything else... Who knows? Some crazy stuff has happened on 2ch and I dunno if he got too involved beyond giving info that was needed.

 

[DrSlek]

What's R9K?

Robot 9000. A board on 4chan that was created to....replace /b/, I think? The intention was to never allow a post to be repeated. So the posters would be forced to come up with original content, or at least new ways of posting the same shit. Apparently since creation it's become the board for sad sack fuckfaces, and /b/ has kept being /b/.

I'm sure the new owner of 4chan is just ecstatic that this has occurred.

 

[MaximumSpider]

What's R9K?

A board on 4chan that has members referred to as 'robots'. Most of the board is about 'tfw no gf', women hate threads, depression threads, and 'normie' death threads.

 

[Pandaman]

What's R9K?

It was a test board where you could post anything, like /b/, but it ran a script that attempted to filter out repeated content. The idea being to see what kind of community would form if you blocked memes and copy/paste shitposting.

I don't think they use the script anymore, but the board now is basically whinging about society, spaghetti stories, etc. Those comments about a 'community for beta males' isn't a crack at 4chan, thats literally part of r9k's self identity.

 

[Oppo]

Just "try" a blanket ban? It's not that simple. It may be that simple in your mind, but there's a lot of ground to cover before a ban becomes palatable. That's just being realistic, as shitty as it is. I think gun control proponents miss the boat when they jump straight to a ban. They should chip away at smaller reforms until we get to that point.

again, I ask: what is more "unpalatable" than a mountain of dead kids?

it's an amendment. rewrite it. you wrote a bunch before. update the old ones. it's not sacrosanct. it just isn't.

 

[IISANDERII]

I'm not talking about banning guns. Australia still has guns. They haven't had a mass shooting though since they decided to pass stricter gun laws.


We're both Western Democracies. We're both first world. Why can Australia do it but we can't?

Nope, US isn't a democracy, sorry. That's why there's a disparity.

 

[Suikoguy]

His MySpace pegs him as a huge IRA supporter.
Which.. is weird.

 

[Tarkus]

Weren't they saying it was a 20 year old earlier?

They were, but that announcement was from a law enforcement official.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

This is terrible.

I found out from my professor tonight. It's her hometown and she described it as quiet and boring. I really felt her heart sink.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

No way in fuck. When the founding fathers were around guns were single shot weapons with crazy load times. You would be lucky to take out 1 person.

Now any deranged fucking lunatic can gun down dozens

It's an illegitimate argument- that Ben Franklin quote. That's pap for people who don't have any real perspective or consideration for the reality we're living in today. It's a fairy tale.

 

[Miracle]

A 4chan board called Robot9000. It's /b/ but with an experimental rule that attempts to block content from being reposted.

Anyways, is there any actual evidence this time? I remember for Sandy Hook and VT people on 4chan tried to troll the media that it was them, because it's easy to troll like that in a crisis. But those times people just sent in photoshops, and this time it seems to be there was an actual post? But is there anything past that? Because that's fairly vague and there's a lot of edgelords on 4chan.

Robot 9000. A board on 4chan that was created to....replace /b/, I think? The intention was to never allow a post to be repeated. So the posters would be forced to come up with original content, or at least new ways of posting the same shit. Apparently since creation it's become the board for sad sack fuckfaces, and /b/ has kept being /b/.

I'm sure the new owner of 4chan is just ecstatic that this has occurred.

A board on 4chan that has members referred to as 'robots'. Most of the board is about 'tfw no gf', women hate threads, depression threads, and 'normie' death threads.

It was a test board where you could post anything, like /b/, but it ran a script that attempted to filter out repeated content. The idea being to see what kind of community would form if you blocked memes and copy/paste shitposting.

I don't think they use the script anymore, but the board now is basically whinging about society, spaghetti stories, etc. Those comments about a 'community for beta males' isn't a crack at 4chan, thats literally part of r9k's self identity.

Makes sense.

GG 4chan :-/

 

[Special C]

I don't think that's really relevant. The point is that not every person who commits an act of gun related violence has a mental health issue. People are capable of heinous acts without having a mental health disorder. People are also prone to acting irrationally in the heat of the moment.

A murder involving a gun doesn't always involve a lot of decision making. Humans are capable of acting irrationally or having faulty thought processes without having a mental illness. Even perfectly intelligent, rational people can do seemingly stupid or thoughtless actions.

Regardless though it's kind of irrelevant. Even if we assume that every act of murder, more particularly mass murder, is due to some form of mental illness or someone not of a healthy mind. There is still the question of why these incidents only happen with any sort of regularity in the America and the answer is very simple.

Well said. It's not always as simple as "mental health."

 

[DrSlek]

His MySpace pegs him as a huge IRA supporter.
Which.. is weird.

It's also odd that he actually had a myspace.

 

[Hatchtag]

Man, I wonder how the guy who just bought 4chan will handle this brewing media shitstorm.

/r9k/ is such shit.



Well somebody actually posted that yesterday, it's not a shop and it's still in the archive. Gut feeling is that was really him.

My gut feeling says otherwise. People troll 4chan, especially /r9k/ and /b/, like that very often. I'm going to feel like an idiot if I'm wrong, but I feel it's pretty unlikely that that poster and the shooter are the same person.

 

[Oppo]

Well said. It's not always as simple as "mental health."

also the argument doesn't make any sense

"mental health" is a global problem; it's not special to the US

 

[antonz]

also the argument doesn't make any sense

"mental health" is a global problem; it's not special to the US

The US is special in the case we have gone out of our way to dismantle the mental health system in this country since the 80s.

 

[AmyS]

guy on Fox News just mentioned 4chan by name.

 

[Jonm1010]

The US is special in the case we have gone out of our way to dismantle the mental health system in this country since the 80s.

And not surprisingly the politicians crying about mental health when these incidents occur are the politicians championing that dismantling and have no real intention of addressing it.

 

[BennyBlanco]

My gut feeling says otherwise. People troll 4chan, especially /r9k/ and /b/, like that very often. I'm going to feel like an idiot if I'm wrong, but I feel it's pretty unlikely that that poster and the shooter are the same person.

<3 4chins so I hope you're right, guess we'll see.

 

[FyreWulff]

The US is special in the case we have gone out of our way to dismantle the mental health system in this country since the 80s.

Yep.

A large amount of our homeless populations are former mental health patients and residents that no longer get treatment after Republican governors shut down facilities.

 

[MaximumSpider]

<3 4chins so I hope you're right, guess we'll see.

Me too ;_;

 

[water_wendi]

The only practical solution to force any kind of gun control/regulation is for the political Left and all non-white people to start arming themselves.

 

[Tarkus]

guy on Fox News just mentioned 4chan by name.

They're the only ones with enough balls to do so. They also broke the ID of the shitstain before anyone else. And it was asshole Bill O'Reilly lololol

 

[Slime]

For what it's worth, an NBC News correspondent just told Rachel Maddow that his sources within the investigation are skeptical that the shooter made any social media or web postings before the incident. He did say they had evidence (documents or "materials" or something) the shooting was motivated by "hate," but didn't give any specifics.

Still wouldn't put it past someone from that place, though. It's basically the antisocial network.

 

[Joyful]

the 4chan post says Northwest, too specific to be coincidence imo
pr nightmare for 4chan incoming

 

[antonz]

Found a dating site profile for the shooter. Its clear he dislikes organized religion though and had a Nazi fetish

 

[Tarkus]

Goddamn, detectiveGAF is on fire today.

 

[jstripes]

pr nightmare for 4chan incoming

They'll just respond with memes.

 

[jett]

Fucking hell...much more at the source.

4chan is a cesspool of human excrement.

 

[aronnov reborn]

Found a dating site profile for the shooter. Its clear he dislikes organized religion though and had a Nazi fetish

Apparently a very strong dislike of "organized religion".

http://nypost.com/2015/10/01/oregon-gunman-singled-out-christians-during-rampage/

&#8220;The shooter was lining people up and asking if they were Christian,&#8221; she wrote. &#8220;If they said yes, then they were shot in the head. If they said no, or didn&#8217;t answer, they were shot in the legs."