Welp, we know what lesson the Right is going to take from this one. Blame the liberals and atheists.
Christianity is under attack in this country!
Sound the alarms! Deport the muslims, Bomb Iran. Guns for everyone!!
Multiple fatalities reported at Umpqua Community College shooting in Oregon
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Welp, we know what lesson the Right is going to take from this one. Blame the liberals and atheists.
Christianity is under attack in this country!
Sound the alarms! Deport the muslims, Bomb Iran. Guns for everyone!!
Citadelofmythoughts
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Oh yeah, we can't have 4Chan's "good name" sullied.
TheAutomator
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4chan and crappy gun laws make for a devastating combo.
See you next week I guess.
See you next week I guess.
partyphone
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it's super frustrating that a lot of the same people who beat the drum of american exceptionalism will claim getting rid of guns and stopping mass shootings is too hard.
but a lot of these people are also pro-life. so intellectual honesty isn't their strong suit.
but a lot of these people are also pro-life. so intellectual honesty isn't their strong suit.
Lets please not pretend that abortion is as simple an issue as gun control or civil rights.
No the irony is that they support life (if a fetus is actually alive, that's another debate but their view is that it is), until it leaves the womb and then it's gotta pull itself up by it's bootstraps and hope it's not shot by a crazy person.
bonesmccoy
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That's actually not a bad segue into an interesting point: the overlap of pro-war, pro-death penalty, pro-abortion, and pro-gun arguments.
partyphone
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yeah. what they said.
Oppo
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it's easy:
before you are born, you are priceless
after you are born, you are worthless
you might be redeemed if you turn out republican but we are all sinners anyways, so yeah, get on that gun sale
B-Dubs got the jist
I get your point now. You are referring more to the herd mentality most conservatives (liberals too) to all hold to the same set of ideals and viewpoints whether they make sense when compared with one another or not. I can respect what you said there. Didn't mean to derail thread.
Bornstellar
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That's horrifying.
partyphone
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the bigger issue is that these specific positions are planks in the republican party platform. it would be one thing if it was limited to a small group of ignorant people who reject any sort of self reflection or examination. but these are people with a lot of political power who are making everyone's lives worse.
Why would they continue to give that dipshit any attention?
Its CNN. They give a platform to all stupid opinions, even those that the most minimal organization that retains journalistic integrity would turn down.
Kenshin001
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Why would you say yes if the person next to you was shot in the head?
I guess it would come down to how strong someone's faith is. Its a Peter moment where they can die for their faith or hide from it and deny.
DrForester
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Oh good, we're at the victim blaming stage of the thread...
A real practicing Christian does not deny their faith under any circumstance. As a Catholic, I know I wouldn't even if that meant certain death. As said previously, it all depends on how strong your faith is.
orthodoxy1095
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Because for many of us, we believe that's what our faith demands of us. Whether you agree or respect that or not, it's in our tradition and Scripture.
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a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
Oh give me a break he's not victim blaming
j_k_redtail
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Because asking me "Are you a Christian?" is like asking me what my name is.
superseohyun
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As a atheist, i will say that i believe in any religion on the earth if its a life and death situation.
minor effort
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So Huckabee's response is that Obama is "politicizing" the shooting. And then politicized it himself.
This guy.
I'd totally lie about my name to not get shot.
Personally i will be surprised if it's true, look at the nytimes source:
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a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
I'd lie about pretty much anything to avoid getting shot in the head.
orthodoxy1095
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There are currently two sources if you read the article:
Doesn't mean it's true, but it certainly might be.
j_k_redtail
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Sure, maybe I would too (though I hope I wouldn't lie about my faith).
But if I'm in fear of my life I might not even be in a position to weigh the pros and cons of telling the truth versus telling a lie. So, the truth it is. Faith is a reflexive part of my identity, as much as my name is.
Same. I also remember back when I was Muslim, this was a thing too. Like... pretending to be any religion to stay alive is legit in Islam.
I'm trying to figure out how it isn't victim blaming.
Hari Seldon
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Occam's razor here is that 4chan is trolling the media.
Acerac
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It almost seems like he carried this out in a way to incite Christians in the US against guns. Maybe an act like this is what it takes to get people to care about this awful situation this country is in.
I want to be clear, I am not praising this event; it was a tragedy. That said similar tragedies occur far too often in this country and it is disgusting that they continue to be forgotten. Perhaps this is the headline that will force people to demand change?
...I doubt it.
There is no doubt that 4chan is going to go into self preservation mode and throw a ton of shit at the wall hoping to obsfucate things. Just how they operate. Unfortunately for them the internet archives so they cant deny the preshooting stuff
I think it's more incredulity that this would actually be an effective tactic to weed out christians. It doesn't sound sensible, as after the first instance of murder, I feel like people would catch on quick - and maybe I am crazy, but I think people would (and should) lie to preserve themselves. Basically, it doesn't sound like something that A. would actually happen or B. If it happened, actually work.
This is such sad news to hear. I've stayed with family friends in Roseburg several times in my life (just last year even). The place is just one of those rural small towns where I wouldn't imagine this kind of thing happening. Just a month ago I recognized the town was in the news as the hometown of one of the people who subdued the gunman on the train in France. Several weeks ago there was a shooting incident (though gang related) at the community college I went to here in California. When I heard about this being at a community college, and also in a town I've been to, it just made me tear up.
Somewhat unrelated, but something that actually made me feel ashamed about some of the recent issues and how they reflect on America, was when the Secretary General of the UN, Ban Ki Moon, actually directed a warning towards the US about the Ferguson incident. Like, it really upset my notions about the US to hear the UN direct a warning towards my country. In several threads following mass shootings, there'd been posters here from other countries who also said things that caused me to feel shame and unease. They posted that they were concerned about the Americans who were going to die in the future because of my country's stubbornness. And now I can see that these people who died in Roseburg, they were some of those Americans that the posters from other countries were concerned about.
Somewhat unrelated, but something that actually made me feel ashamed about some of the recent issues and how they reflect on America, was when the Secretary General of the UN, Ban Ki Moon, actually directed a warning towards the US about the Ferguson incident. Like, it really upset my notions about the US to hear the UN direct a warning towards my country. In several threads following mass shootings, there'd been posters here from other countries who also said things that caused me to feel shame and unease. They posted that they were concerned about the Americans who were going to die in the future because of my country's stubbornness. And now I can see that these people who died in Roseburg, they were some of those Americans that the posters from other countries were concerned about.
Her story is notably different.
The same thing happened in Columbine, so i'm hesitant to believe it until there's more to it.
4chan isn't going into self preservation mode at all. Go to a board discussing it right now. I guarantee you they're just trying to get more attention, because they've gotten some attention from what was likely a troll comment, and now see an opportunity to troll some more.
And even if it does turn out that the shooter really was from there, they're not going to go into self preservation mode. They're just going to troll harder, because the people that will be posting don't own the site, didn't do the shooting, and have no image to preserve.
They don't have to deny anything. Much like facebook isn't liable when a murderer posts there, or for the opinions of its userbase [no matter how offensive you might think they are].
Self preservation from what?
The county sheriff opposed gun control:
http://m.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/10/oregon-sheriff-umpqua-massacre-white-house-gun-control-newtown
http://m.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/10/oregon-sheriff-umpqua-massacre-white-house-gun-control-newtown
4chan isn't really a single big bogeyman entity. /r9k/ or /b/ might do as you describe, but the response from dedicated interest boards like /v/, /co/ and /tg/ is indifference or exasperation.
Starphoenix
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It's one thing to have a discussion about gun control, but to turn this into a "gotcha" moment for a man sorting through the rubble of a broken community does not seem appropriate at this time.
So do several Americans. No real reason to bring this up.
Hydrogen Bluebird
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Not from the US so I don't know how this works, but how do the campus shooters, armed with multiple guns and sometimes explosives, get past the campus security? Or is campus security not strictly enforced?
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