WTF is going on now?
They could just think he's some kind of copy cat ?
WTF is going on now?
I'm guessing they're at the gunman's house and are wary of explosives and so on post-Aurora.WTF is going on now?
I'm guessing they're at the gunman's house and are wary of explosives and so on post-Aurora.
Tomorrow 10AM.Has the shooter been identified yet?
Neither will happen. People are going to forget about this and Aurora, except for those personally affected, once the media coverage ends, until the next such incident, which likely won't be too far off.2 things;
1) American's need better education.
2) This is the 2nd major media reported shooting in what 2 weeks? America has to start re-thinking gun laws...
This guy reliable?
Neither will happen. People are going to forget about this and Aurora, except for those personally affected, once the media coverage ends. Until the next such incident, which likely won't be too far off.
2 things;
1) American's need better education.
2) This is the 2nd major media reported shooting in what 2 weeks? America has to start re-thinking gun laws...
You're right, we should just hand out free nukes with every box of cereal and get it over with.Guns, knives, bombs it doesn't matter, killers will kill how they want when they want.
He seems to be a reporter for the religion part of cnn. He is only citing witness reports which could be wrong.This guy reliable?
Because they can kill as many people with out being stopped with knives as guns? This a bad argument against gun control.Guns, knives, bombs it doesn't matter, killers will kill how they want when they want.
I live 30 minutes from what occurred today, not worried to be honest with you.
Neither will happen. People are going to forget about this and Aurora, except for those personally affected, once the media coverage ends, until the next such incident, which likely won't be too far off.
Authorities including the FBI, the ATF, the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Department and Cudahy police are now searching a house in Cudahy, Wis., believed to be linked to the suspect, WITI's Brandon Cruz reports.
Prior to starting the search at the 3700 block of Holmes Ave., police asked two blocks of residents to leave the area or remain indoors. FBI agents are there with an armored truck, a trailer and other vehicles. Other law enforcement officers are there too, along with a police dog.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/0...ng-at-sikh-temple-in-wisconsin/#ixzz22it2w0OT
Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards said the shooting suspect ambushed and opened fire on an 20-year veteran officer who was attending to a victim at the scene. Another officer then shot and killed the suspect.
This guy reliable?
So if I had a 9-11 tattoo I would be the shooter.
1) American's need better education.
Surprising to know America doesn't teach Religious Education.
Over here in the UK, RE is a requirement at Secondary School. with an option to take it as a major in your GCSEs later on.
I'm noticing in most of the comments on this on a couple different sites the closest thing to any type of sympathy or condolences is "Shame they were confused for Muslims" or similar. Which is pretty F'ed up. Also noticing this isn't carrying anywhere near the same weight or attention as Aurora. Even on GAF.
I'm noticing in most of the comments on this on a couple different sites the closest thing to any type of sympathy or condolences is "Shame they were confused for Muslims" or similar. Which is pretty F'ed up. Also noticing this isn't carrying anywhere near the same weight or attention as Aurora. Even on GAF.
Officials told NBC News the suspect, who served in the U.S. Army, had many tattoos. The suspect had some kind of radical or white supremacist views but, as far as officials said they had heard, he was not in any kind of radical organization. His previous run-ins with law enforcement involved in traffic offenses, they said.
Kids should be taught about different religions because it's an important part of history and current affairs. How can anyone make sense of certain topics without having even cursory knowledge of important religions? While this case may concern sikhs, there is alarming ignorance concerning basic world religion facts in the US, Canada, and elsewhere. Antitheists who propose otherwise have not made strong arguments justifying their position.
We have enough trouble getting Jesus out of Science classes.
But I hear it's not much better in the UK. You all have a bunch of religious groups operating public schools and they give a biased teaching of things like evolution. I got this from Dawkins, and one of his criticisms of this is that it leads to segregating kids into schools with only their religion.
I think that's the real solution. Lots of people from the south from 99% white cities inevitably have a little bit of racism, but once they work in cities with other people they grow out of it.
I'm pretty sure that religion is behind this crap, not lack of "teaching about religions". Kids need to be taught about secularism, not about superstition and ghost stories.
Noticed same thing here man. Is pretty fucked up.I'm noticing in most of the comments on this on a couple different sites the closest thing to any type of sympathy or condolences is "Shame they were confused for Muslims" or similar. Which is pretty F'ed up. Also noticing this isn't carrying anywhere near the same weight or attention as Aurora. Even on GAF.
I'm noticing in most of the comments on this on a couple different sites the closest thing to any type of sympathy or condolences is "Shame they were confused for Muslims" or similar. Which is pretty F'ed up. Also noticing this isn't carrying anywhere near the same weight or attention as Aurora. Even on GAF.
How is religion behind this crap? You act as if teaching people about religion somehow comes at the expense of teaching them about secularism.
I'm noticing in most of the comments on this on a couple different sites the closest thing to any type of sympathy or condolences is "Shame they were confused for Muslims" or similar. Which is pretty F'ed up. Also noticing this isn't carrying anywhere near the same weight or attention as Aurora. Even on GAF.
We have enough trouble getting Jesus out of Science classes.
But I hear it's not much better in the UK. You all have a bunch of religious groups operating public schools and they give a biased teaching of things like evolution. I got this from Dawkins, and one of his criticisms of this is that it leads to segregating kids into schools with only their religion.
I think that's the real solution. Lots of people from the south from 99% white cities inevitably have a little bit of racism, but once they work in cities with other people they grow out of it.
secularism is a dirty word in organized religion
don't do that. Don't turn this into a competition or some sort of social commentary about the press.
Don't mean it as competition or commentary on press, commentary on where America stands right now. I'm not naive enough to think racism went away, but I was alive during the 80's and 90's and it just seems really bad and in the open right now. That apathy towards it and quick shrug off or even violent rebuking of claims of racism is even scarier.
Personally, I'm just disgusted. I don't even have outrage at the moment, just kind of a blank stare, head shaking in disbelief.
And as someone who grew up outside of NYC and currently lives in Boston, I just can't comprehend this side of America, either, and I've had to try a lot in the last 4-8 years. I've never known gun nuts, religious fanatics, even social conservatives. I have no idea what some of these people are so angry about. I'm not even talking about arguing opposing viewpoints or who you want as the next president, that's both common and welcome, I mean lately this stuff seems more akin to a paranoid mob which keeps feeding itself and grows larger by the day.
I'm noticing in most of the comments on this on a couple different sites the closest thing to any type of sympathy or condolences is "Shame they were confused for Muslims" or similar. Which is pretty F'ed up. Also noticing this isn't carrying anywhere near the same weight or attention as Aurora. Even on GAF.
WTF is going on now?
secularism is a dirty word in organized religion
Shame is clearly not the right word. It is tragic whether Muslims or Sihks or anyone else were killed. But it is weird ironic sad twist.
And hopefully maybe there is a silver lining to that aspect . . . perhaps people will realize that if you are such a xenophobic hater then you are a dumb-fucking-asshole. And people tend not to like to be thought of as dumb-fucking-assholes so maybe some people will step away from the hate. :-/
The tension between religious and secular elements in society would be precisely the type of thing that would be covered in a good history class that was focusing on world religions (as one part of the curriculum). Honestly the fact that this is even up for debate is kind of silly.
I'll tell you why education works: it de-'other'izes certain cultures when you know the history of how they came to be. Suddenly they go from being strange weirdos in odd clothing to being quite human and relatable. Familiarity with a people brings empathy.
2 things;
1) American's need better education.
2) This is the 2nd major media reported shooting in what 2 weeks? America has to start re-thinking gun laws...
And hopefully maybe there is a silver lining to that aspect . . . perhaps people will realize that if you are such a xenophobic hater then you are a dumb-fucking-asshole. And people tend not to like to be thought of as dumb-fucking-assholes so maybe some people will step away from the hate. :-/
There being no evidence of how this culprit thought and felt is a really terrible and flimsy argument for not teaching the variety of culture and religion to citizens who inhabit a planet alive with these things.
Not to mention that the "nature of the incident" suggests the irrational is based on the premise that one cannot rationally commit acts of violent intolerance, while history (of culture and religion) would suggest otherwise.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...-fire-at-sikh-temple-in-wisconsin-7-dead?lite
Officials told NBC News the suspect, who served in the U.S. Army, had many tattoos. The suspect had some kind of radical or white supremacist views but, as far as officials said they had heard, he was not in any kind of radical organization. His previous run-ins with law enforcement involved in traffic offenses, they said.
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(U) Disgruntled Military Veterans
(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and
radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from
military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the
capabilities of extremistsincluding lone wolves or small terrorist cellsto carry out
violence. The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist
groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from
the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.
(U) After Operation Desert Shield/Storm in 1990-1991, some returning military
veteransincluding Timothy McVeighjoined or associated with rightwing
extremist groups.
(U) A prominent civil rights organization reported in 2006 that large numbers
of potentially violent neo-Nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists are now
learning the art of warfare in the [U.S.] armed forces.
(U//LES) The FBI noted in a 2008 report on the white supremacist movement
that some returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have
joined extremist groups.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/04/conservatives-d/Conservatives Decry Homeland Security Report on Rightwing Extremism
Yesterday, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich tweeted that "The person who drafted the outrageous homeland security memo smearing veterans and conservatives should be fired."
Gingrich was referring to this report prepared by the Department of Homeland Securitys Extremism and Radicalization Branch, Homeland Environment Threat Analysis Division, and coordinated with the FBI.
As Fox News has reported, DHS also issued a study of the threat of leftwing extremists (read it HERE.) But the report on the rightwing extremists is the one attracting heat in the conservative bloggosphere, from Gingrich, Michelle Malkin, Powerline, and elsewhere.