Think what he means is that there might be even more of this shit happening than what's being reported
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Muslim woman set on fire in Midtown Manhattan (she's fine)
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LyleLanley
Banned
Necessary in what sense?
PataHikari
Banned
I have to imagine it's at least partly because women in hijabs are more immediatly recognizable as muslim.
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Jpop
Unconfirmed Member
In the sense that is important to realize that we live in a country where the law enforcement is prone to racial discrimination and this is unreliable in such cases, so it falls to the people to seek justice by bring awareness to these situations.
ColdLasagna
Member
Let us hope they catch this asshole.
Glad she is OK.
Glad she is OK.
KazenY2J
Member
facetheslayer92
Member
What the actual fuck?
paragonpro
Banned
Fucking christ I dont want to live in this country and associate myself with these biggot murderers anymore
The Last Wizard
Member
Nah man, NYC has a lot of racist neighborhoods. Look at the fucking nypd. No place is safe from racism.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
The question whether it is a hate crime or not only happens if the victim is a Muslim.
How About No
Member
What the fuck is wrong with people.
Glad she's ok
Glad she's ok
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Jpop
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ginger ninja
Banned
Man this shit is fucking worrying. Sister wears one and she's tiny. I thought crazy shit like this wouldn't happen in this city but obviously I was naïve.
So we should jump to conclusions and then try and bring lots of attention to that assumed conclusion?
That seems pretty reckless actually.
It is but that doesn't automatically mean hate crimes will vanish or cops won't choke people to death in the streets or any other kind of fucked up shit that could happen in any other American city.
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Jpop
Unconfirmed Member
No, you should bring awareness to the fact that Muslims and people of Middle Eastern heritage are constantly discriminated against in this country can you never hear about it at all.
Also as has been said before you only need to wait and let cops do their investigating when it comes Muslim/Middle Easterners.
If this was a black man shot by a cop while just standing around would I need to wait for an Internal Investigation to prove the cop was racially biased?
You need a reasonable amount of evidence to prove almost anything is true.
No one, me least of all, is arguing against expressing an opinion on possible motive. Prejudice seems to be a very likely motive given what information we do have. You also can't rule out just plain mental disturbance yet either. Which is the rub. Reasonable assumption is not enough to condemn someone or demand others to do so.
Where I took issue with your comments uniquely is not so much the fact you were arguing with a hardline about your assumption(others have as well), it was the added caveat of claiming that taking such a hardline at this moment is necessary and wise. Which you seemed to be arguing in a few posts.
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Jpop
Unconfirmed Member
Again, I'm asking you a question.
What is reasonable evidence to you? Is a black man being shot for being black by a cop reasonable evidence?
Or is it the courts finding that Zimmerman shooting Treyvon Martin was justifiable?
Should I place the findings of prejudiced cops and law systems over my own understandings and experiences of racial discrimination.
Reasonable is likely going to vary when talking on a personal level. I don't think either of us wants to get bogged down in that fight. I would say that personally, for me, I would need to know more on the individual committing the crime other then just that the crime has happened. At least before declaring something like motive as a fact or beginning to chastise others who don't share my hardline at this point in time given how scarce details are right now.
Unlike your own comparison, we don't even know who the perpetrator was or what he may be affiliated with or why he did what he did.
Frankly the more I re-read your posts the less clarity I even have on any point you are making? You started off saying there is no maybe, this is a hate crime. Then when people disputed that or made snide remarks for taking such a strong hardline you said it was a necessary thing for the purpose of awareness and justice. Which is kinda odd don't you think? You seem to be jumping back and forth defending that you weren't jumping to conclusions because this is the only possible outcome of motive and admitting that you did jump to conclusions but it is necessary.
Polioliolio
Member
The hell is wrong with people.
He who chooses to light someone on fire is evil and should have all his rights revoked.
He who chooses to light someone on fire is evil and should have all his rights revoked.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I really hope this is some lone nut and it wasn't a hate crime. The political climate and the timing don't look good though...but I'm going to play naive. This really fucking sucks no matter what, I'm just glad the woman is okay.
They identified a suspect now:
http://nypost.com/2016/09/13/video-surfaces-of-brute-who-set-muslim-woman-on-fire/
Hope they get him. Doubt it was an accident.
http://nypost.com/2016/09/13/video-surfaces-of-brute-who-set-muslim-woman-on-fire/
Hope they get him. Doubt it was an accident.
Literally setting a person alight is kind of a rare occurrence I suspect.
Doesn't necessarily need to be a hate crime against muslims. At my school somebody put fire on a girl's hair. People are stupid.
iceatcs
Junior Member
They identified a suspect now:
http://nypost.com/2016/09/13/video-surfaces-of-brute-who-set-muslim-woman-on-fire/
Hope they get him. Doubt it was an accident.
That's a bit surprise that he's black.
Lot of black people are Muslim.
tkscz
Member
And they get made fun of by the black people who are not. Majority of black people in the US are raised Christian and tend to be shitty towards other black people of different religions.
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Jpop
Unconfirmed Member
Racism against Muslims comes in all different colors.
The US has created a culture discrimination against Middle Easterners, after 9/11, and it really shows.
Heaven Shard
Banned
Some people have a fuze missing in their head.
Having that said, I assume having all those CCTV cameras everywhere should be a great help here. As for it being a hate crime, I don't know and it doesn't matter as doing something as this tells me the psycho isn't limited by reason (i.e. he would be looking for an excuse to do it). But it doesn't matter because assault is assault regardless of reason.
P.S. how can someone like this not be caught or ganged up on immediately? It's the biggest, most crowded city with a million cops and a million more people walking in mid-day? Are people in public really that disconnected in NY?
Having that said, I assume having all those CCTV cameras everywhere should be a great help here. As for it being a hate crime, I don't know and it doesn't matter as doing something as this tells me the psycho isn't limited by reason (i.e. he would be looking for an excuse to do it). But it doesn't matter because assault is assault regardless of reason.
P.S. how can someone like this not be caught or ganged up on immediately? It's the biggest, most crowded city with a million cops and a million more people walking in mid-day? Are people in public really that disconnected in NY?
Delusibeta
Banned
According to the BBC, the attempt to set her on fire
[Edit] Here is the BBC article and I'm completely wrong. The fire was successfully patted out.
In summary, I should have read the article more throughly.
Norwegian Rudo
Member
Literally the first rule of investigations is to not have any pre-conceptions and just go by the evidence.
They identified a suspect now:
http://nypost.com/2016/09/13/video-surfaces-of-brute-who-set-muslim-woman-on-fire/
Hope they get him. Doubt it was an accident.
Looks like a MAGA hat. Slayven called it.
Truth. Family reunions are hilariously awkward for my father's side. 30 years and they still can't get over the fact that he's converted.
Really? Lol.
Most of the people who treated me badly because of Islam were black.
and I am black...
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Maybe he's just Dumb.
Christopher
Member
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/14/muslim-woman-set-fire-no-bias-other-victims-police
Wasn't a hate crime - same group targeted three other women. Scum.
RevolverRoden
Member
edit: nvm
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