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[ManaByte]

‘Ms. Marvel’: What Kamala Khan’s DNA Reveals About Her Genetics

“It's like her wildest dream already came true over the show, but then we just gave her one more bit of the dream.”

www.marvel.com

Yes the word Mutation is officially used in the final episode of Ms Marvel and they play the X-Men 97 theme.

This is honoring the original vision for the character, who would’ve been a Mutant in the comics if not for Perlmutter’s Inhuman mandate to try to squash the X-Men and hurt Fox.

Ms. Marvel is officially the first character in the MCU to be a mutant.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Fucking finally. That X-men 97 theme is rightfully getting a lot of love lately.

 

[ManaByte]

Fucking finally. That X-men 97 theme is rightfully getting a lot of love lately.

They’re doing a new season as well with most of the cast retuning.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

They’re doing a new season as well with most of the cast retuning.

I heard. I hope it's good. The og is sacred to me.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

I heard. I hope it's good. The og is sacred to me.

I only watched the first season when I was a kid. I need to watch the rest pretty soon. I know it's on Disney Plus

 

[ManaByte]

People spent years claiming shit like Hugh Jackman jumping out of a portal or and Fox characters magically appearing after the Snap. Instead Feige introduces Mutants to the MCU like this:

 

[Kev Kev]

fuck yeah. i cant read this thread as i am in the middle of 'what if...?' atm (which is awesome). but ill catch up soon and im looking forward to what ever the rest of phase 4 has in store for us

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

People spent years claiming shit like Hugh Jackman jumping out of a portal or and Fox characters magically appearing after the Snap. Instead Feige introduces Mutants to the MCU like this:

Which feels much more natural

 

[ManaByte]

 

[PaddyOCanager]

Excellent, X-men in the MCU actually piques my interest.

 

[ManaByte]

Excellent, X-men in the MCU actually piques my interest.

Get ready for them to be called "The Mutants" or something.

Marvel Studios Executive Criticizes the X-Men Name as 'Outdated'

Asked about Marvel's future and the X-Men's involvement in it, Marvel Studios EVP of Production Victoria Alonso shared her issue with the X-Men's name

www.cbr.com

 

[Revolutionary]

After a decade+ of trying to sweep Mutants under the rug, they finally acknowledge they exist again. Truly stunning and brave of Disney.

 

[ManaByte]

After a decade+ of trying to sweep Mutants under the rug, they finally acknowledge they exist again. Truly stunning and brave of Disney.

They legally couldn't acknowledge them until just a couple of years ago. If they even said the word "Mutant" or "Mutation" Fox could sue them.

 

[sol_bad]

People spent years claiming shit like Hugh Jackman jumping out of a portal or and Fox characters magically appearing after the Snap. Instead Feige introduces Mutants to the MCU like this:

It's what I've Saif for the past few years. Mutants will have always existed in the background of the MCU.

 

[ManaByte]

Marvel couldn't use Mutants or anything connected to F4 until March 19, 2019. Two months before Endgame and Endgame was finished. So only stuff put into production after Endgame could acknowledge any of it:

2021:
WandaVision: Nothing except for the House of M logo on the wine bottle.
Falcon & Winter Soldier: Had Madripoor & the Princess Bar, both previously owned by Fox through the X-Men rights.
Loki: Introduced Kang the Conquerer, previously owned by Fox through F4.
Black Widow: Had Ursa Major, but not specifically named as a Mutant. The character was owned by Fox.
Hawkeye: Echo. Fox claimed Echo due to being Thunderbird in the comics, a character who used the Phoenix Force.

2022:
First use of "Mutants" in the MCU in Ms. Marvel.

If it wasn't for COVID delaying Phase 4 more than a year (Black Widow was originally a 2019 release). We would've had Ms. Marvel in 2020 or early 2021 and it would've only been a little over a year since the Fox purchase for the first MCU Mutant.

 

[Mistake]

Get ready for them to be called "The Mutants" or something.

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And this is how you know when people don’t read books, as “man” or “men” can still be used in place of “people,” even if it isn’t as common today. Ironic, considering her job

They legally couldn't acknowledge them until just a couple of years ago. If they even said the word "Mutant" or "Mutation" Fox could sue them.

I remember Marvel creating a giant legal mess over who gets this or that, and what they can do with it. And then certain rights expiring…it’s hard to keep up

 

[Aggrotek]

While I am happy we may finally get some new X Men stuff from this development, this feels so ham-fisted and forced for no reason. There were so many better opportunities and ways to do this.

 

[ManaByte]

While I am happy we may finally get some new X Men stuff from this development, this feels so ham-fisted and forced for no reason. There were so many better opportunities and ways to do this.

Yea because having the Fox cast jumping out of portals totally isn't ham-fisted.

 

[sol_bad]

While I am happy we may finally get some new X Men stuff from this development, this feels so ham-fisted and forced for no reason. There were so many better opportunities and ways to do this.

No it doesn't.
Bringing them in by the multiverse would have been ham-fisted and forced for no reason. This is a very natural introduction on Ms. Marvel.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Yea because having the Fox cast jumping out of portals totally isn't ham-fisted.

No it doesn't.
Bringing them in by the multiverse would have been ham-fisted and forced for no reason. This is a very natural introduction on Ms. Marvel.

I agree. I would have been totally against that if that happened

 

[bitbydeath]

Don’t forget Shriek.

 

[sol_bad]

Don’t forget Shriek.

Who's that?

 

[ManaByte]

Who's that?

Someone from the Morbin' Cinematic Universe.

 

[jufonuk]

Fucking finally

 

[ManaByte]

Fucking finally

Taron Egerton Says He’s Met With Marvel’s Kevin Feige, Hoping for “Shot” to Play Wolverine

The 'Rocketman' actor admitted he would be a bit "apprehensive" if given a chance to play the X-Men character.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[bitbydeath]

Who's that?

First mutant introduced.

How 'Venom 2' secretly reveals the first Mutant in the MCU

'Venom 2' might just be the first movie to officially put a mutant in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Here's why Shriek is way more important than you think.

www.inverse.com

 

[jufonuk]

Taron Egerton Says He’s Met With Marvel’s Kevin Feige, Hoping for “Shot” to Play Wolverine

The 'Rocketman' actor admitted he would be a bit "apprehensive" if given a chance to play the X-Men character.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[RoboFu]

Well I guess that’s a tiny bit of the real ms marvel in there now.

 

[BadBurger]

Yea because having the Fox cast jumping out of portals totally isn't ham-fisted.

No it doesn't.
Bringing them in by the multiverse would have been ham-fisted and forced for no reason. This is a very natural introduction on Ms. Marvel.

I didn't see that poster, or anyone for that matter, suggest any of this. They just wrote they thought there were "better ways".

I don't mind them using Ms Marvel as the first mutant myself. But I would have preferred this be done in one of the films. Maybe mentioned in Black Panther 2 or something, perhaps a post-credits scene (even feature Kamala in the scene). It just feels a little too low of stakes to make the reveal in their teen-focused television show.

 

[ManaByte]

First mutant introduced.

How 'Venom 2' secretly reveals the first Mutant in the MCU

'Venom 2' might just be the first movie to officially put a mutant in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Here's why Shriek is way more important than you think.

www.inverse.com

Venom isn't part of the MCU though. So that article is written by an idiot.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

Aren't Wanda and Pietro originally mutants in the comics? I think I read that somewhere, maybe I'm misremembering.

If so, too bad they had to be made... whatever it is they are in the MCU

 

[bitbydeath]

Venom isn't part of the MCU though. So that article is written by an idiot.

He did a cameo in Spider-Man No Way Home, so technically is.

 

[ManaByte]

He did a cameo in Spider-Man No Way Home, so technically is.

No they aren’t. It’s a separate universe.

 

[bitbydeath]

No they aren’t. It’s a separate universe.

So you don’t count most of the Dr Strange film as MCU because it was a different universe?

 

[ManaByte]

So you don’t count most of the Dr Strange film as MCU because it was a different universe?

Did you even watch the Spider-Man movie? They’re from the Sony universe like the other villains and they’re immediately sent back. They’re not part of the MCU.

 

[bitbydeath]

Did you even watch the Spider-Man movie? They’re from the Sony universe like the other villains and they’re immediately sent back. They’re not part of the MCU.

I’d still consider it part of the MCU since it features in the MCU.

America Chavez is from a different universe too.

 

[ManaByte]

I’d still consider it part of the MCU since it features in the MCU.

Are you Avi Arad?

 

[sol_bad]

I’d still consider it part of the MCU since it features in the MCU.

America Chavez is from a different universe too.

Even if you want to consider the Spider-Verse as part of the MCU (it's not), it's not even mentioned that Shriek is a mutant in Venom 2. Is it?

When people say introducing Mutants into the MCU, they mean the 616 universe. Not an offshoot reality where it doesn't mean anything.

 

[bitbydeath]

Even if you want to consider the Spider-Verse as part of the MCU (it's not), it's not even mentioned that Shriek is a mutant in Venom 2. Is it?

When people say introducing Mutants into the MCU, they mean the 616 universe. Not an offshoot reality where it doesn't mean anything.

I’d have to rewatch but I believe she was called a mutant at one point in the movie.

The rest sounds like splitting hairs, same example, would you consider America Chavez as part of the MCU or her not being from 616 mean she isn’t?

 

[BadBurger]

Aren't Wanda and Pietro originally mutants in the comics? I think I read that somewhere, maybe I'm misremembering.

If so, too bad they had to be made... whatever it is they are in the MCU

Yes. it's the X-Men, and I don't keep up with them and their entire narrative can radically change at any moment - but, last I read both were the children of Magneto, and both mutants themselves.

They were changed in the films at the time because of some kind of rights Fox had over the depiction of mutants in live action.

 

[BaneIsPain]

I thought Ms.Marvel is inhuman? Oh well, it wouldn’t surprise me.

 

[ManaByte]

I thought Ms.Marvel is inhuman? Oh well, it wouldn’t surprise me.

She was only an inhuman in the comics because at the time Ike Perlmutter banned the creation of any new mutants.

 

[ManaByte]

I’d have to rewatch but I believe she was called a mutant at one point in the movie.

She’s not called a Mutant. Sony can’t use that word like Marvel couldn’t when Fox owned them.

 

[DeafTourette]

So you don’t count most of the Dr Strange film as MCU because it was a different universe?

Anything happening in the movie where Doctor Strange comes from is the MCU... Anything happening in another universe is not.

So venom coming to the MCU universe and then being sent back his own universe... He's still not MCU

 

[bitbydeath]

Anything happening in the movie where Doctor Strange comes from is the MCU... Anything happening in another universe is not.

So venom coming to the MCU universe and then being sent back his own universe... He's still not MCU

We could get alternates of the same characters in the MCU if that’s what you’re getting at, Brock even left a piece of Venom behind in 616 which will likely result in a new Venom, but that doesn’t mean outside of 616 isn’t MCU canon. It being directly involved in the MCU makes it MCU.

One more time, MCU

 

[DeafTourette]

I’d have to rewatch but I believe she was called a mutant at one point in the movie.

The rest sounds like splitting hairs, same example, would you consider America Chavez as part of the MCU or her not being from 616 mean she isn’t?

America is now part of the MCU because she is staying in the 616 universe. She didn't get sent back anywhere.

 

[Punished Miku]

The xmen cartoon will be incorporated into the multiverse soon.

 

[bitbydeath]

She’s not called a Mutant. Sony can’t use that word like Marvel couldn’t when Fox owned them.

Apparently it happened, probably due to a deal Sony made with them.

 

[bitbydeath]

America is now part of the MCU because she is staying in the 616 universe. She didn't get sent back anywhere.

Seems like a silly line to draw things at.
Dr Strange left 616 at the end of Dr Strange, you’re thinking would mean he’s no longer part of the MCU.

 

[AnotherDayAnotherDollar]

I’d have to rewatch but I believe she was called a mutant at one point in the movie.

The rest sounds like splitting hairs, same example, would you consider America Chavez as part of the MCU or her not being from 616 mean she isn’t?

She’s not called a Mutant. Sony can’t use that word like Marvel couldn’t when Fox owned them.

Shriek calls herself a mutant in Venom 2. I very clearly remember that because of the legalities. Much like Marvel Studios being able to name drop Spider-Man in Dr. Strange 2 this may be something that Marvel gave the go ahead to Sony to use in Venom 2.