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[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Wow. That escalated quickly. Ouch.

Look, I shared an opinion that I firmly stand by, which was based on a personal experience, which I'm sure that I have made very clear is an experience that still hurts me. You trivialized it by calling it a booboo, and personally insulting me. In two separate posts. Not cool.

(I bolded the fucked up stuff you said. You want us to take your dilemma seriously but you think it's okay to belittle my very similar. Why?)

What I took a stand against was much worse than what happened at your company. And I got screwed. Absolutely screwed.

How about some actual details then instead of just gloating

 

[Carnby]

How about some actual details then instead of just gloating

Gloating? Really? You call this gloating? Having my career ended is gloating?

It doesn't excuse Rustlynails double standards of belittling my experience while expecting us to take him seriously.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Gloating? Really? You call this gloating? Having my career ended is gloating?

It doesn't excuse Rustlynails double standards of belittling my experience while expecting us to take him seriously.

Part one of my personal story came true for the OP. Now I'm waiting for part two, when the person who told HR is labeled a snitch, and leaves the company before the racist.

We'll see. Let us know who drops out first.

If you're not gloating, your tone doesn't get that across

 

[Carnby]

If you're not gloating, your tone doesn't get that across

It's not gloating. It's my mistrusting pessimistic point of view.

 

[RustyNails]

Wow. That escalated quickly. Ouch.

Look, I shared an opinion that I firmly stand by, which was based on a personal experience, which I'm sure that I have made very clear is an experience that still hurts me. You trivialized it by calling it a booboo, and personally insulted me. In two separate posts infact. Not cool.

(I bolded the fucked up stuff you said. You want us to take your dilemma seriously but you think it's okay to belittle my very similar. Why?)

What I took a stand against was much worse than what happened at your company. And I got screwed. Absolutely screwed.

Okay, if you understand the pains of being let go for bullshit reasons then maybe you should stop actively rooting for either me or R to get fired then. I did not mean to trivialize it or cause heartache, but you were all up in my grill.

 

[Carnby]

Okay, if you understand the pains of being let go for bullshit reasons then maybe you should stop actively rooting for either me or R to get fired then. I did not mean to trivialize it or cause heartache, but you were all up in my grill.

I wasn't let go. Did you even read my story?

And when was I "up in your grill"?

Edit: If you think me saying "we'll see" is enough for you to rip into me, then you need to read GAF's Terms of Service.

 

[Korey]

I wasn't let go. Did you even read my story?

And when was I "up in your grill"?

Link?

 

[Carnby]

Link?

Check the last page. I think it's there.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

After reading this thread last week, a friend that weekend told me about his employee stating that he would "never let a black guy date his daughter". My friend called him a racist and the guy denies that he is. All I could do is shake my head. I've met him before and all that runs through my mind is that there are still people that think I am some sort of non-human piece of shit that should never date "their women" simply because of my skin color.

And now they're making video games.

Spoiler

See: Hatred thread on gaming side.

 

[SapientWolf]

Before you go " US is a shitty place", I'd like to point out that this is common in any workplace where workplace politics exist.

The "indirect manager" in this story was a bit jumpy to go play tattle-tale on this one instance, which leads me to believe that she's the "last in, first out" hire or R just doesn't like the lady and now wants an excuse to get her fired. I'm less inclined to trust R now, because instead of bringing it up in a non-chalant way to a direct boss, R went to a superior like a child runs to a teacher.

If this is her first time saying something like this(as in, no other prior incidents), than a warning and some training should be enough to nip it in the bud. If this is a MNC or multi location business and she has an important job, transferring her to another office is also a good idea. Firing someone for what presumably was a private opinion expressed in a workplace isn't a workplace I'd ever want to work for.

In this case, how is that fair to the people that have to work with those individuals spouting racism? How can an employee be trusted with any leadership responsibilities after admitting to a strong racial bias?

And that's not even getting into horrifying scenarios like a school teacher that happens to have the opinion that there shouldn't be a minimum age of consent. You either didn't think that statement all the way through, or you take an unusually cavalier attitude towards employer liability.

After reading this thread last week, a friend that weekend told me about his employee stating that he would "never let a black guy date his daughter". My friend called him a racist and the guy denies that he is. All I could do is shake my head. I've met him before and all that runs through my mind is that there are still people that think I am some sort of non-human piece of shit that should never date "their women" simply because of my skin color.

The best part is that making black guys "forbidden fruit" can only backfire on him. Also, the Dunning-Kruger effect apparently applies to racism.

 

[ShamelessOpportunist]

I wouldn't let any guy date my daughter.

 

[BobLoblaw]

I haven't read this whole thread, but I sure as shit hope she doesn't have any managerial oversight.

 

[Durask]

They already have cause to fire her.

Unlikely that they even need cause.

Cause? Sure you have a cause, but causes do not prevent lawsuits.

Heck, not racism related but here is a story.

Someone I know well works in a large medical office. One of the nurses there was stealing scripts, forging doctors' signatures and getting piles of narcotics and other "good stuff".

She gets her ass fired.

She sues for unlawful termination.

The case is still dragging through the courts

It's never a good idea to fire someone on the spot, you always have to document multiple instances and failure to improve. Failure to improve is crucial in preventing a lawsuit.

 

[Rastafarian42]

Welp she flopped herself into unemployment be racist in 2014 brehs.

 

[Dude Abides]

Cause? Sure you have a cause, but causes do not prevent lawsuits.

Heck, not racism related but here is a story.

Someone I know well works in a large medical office. One of the nurses there was stealing scripts, forging doctors' signatures and getting piles of narcotics and other "good stuff".

She gets her ass fired.

She sues for unlawful termination.

The case is still dragging through the courts

It's never a good idea to fire someone on the spot, you always have to document multiple instances and failure to improve. Failure to improve is crucial in preventing a lawsuit.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Nothing "prevents" lawsuits. I could sue Evilore right now for allowing you to post a statement disagreeing with me. I could sue you as a John Doe for any number of bullshit reasons. But any such suit would be promptly dismissed, as would any suit by this woman for "unlawful termination."

Illinois, where OP works, is an at-will employment state. Unless L is covered by a collective bargaining agreement - probably the situation with your nurse - or has a very unusual employment contract, she cannot state a claim for "unlawful termination" and her suit would he dismissed in 6 months or less.

 

[FLAguy954]

Well...

This, no one is gonna miss her racist, misguided ass.

 

[Boss Mog]

Man, I wouldn't wanna work with a guy like you. You ratted her out and seriously trying to cost her job because of something silly as this ?

I'm with you. As disgusting as L's comments were I find it even more disgusting that R went immediately to rat her out.

Everybody has a controversial opinion on one subject or another and everybody says really dumb shit at some point in their life. I would just distance myself from her. That's what I do when people say something I find objectionable. But I would never go talk to a manager to get them reprimanded or fired. That's just such a shitty thing to do. Jobs are tough to come by today, I would never try to jeopardize somebody's livelihood.

 

[Skeyser]

Jobs are tough to come by today, I would never try to jeopardize somebody's livelihood.

She gets fired, non-racist gets the job. Everyone win.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I'm with you. As disgusting as L's comments were I find it even more disgusting that R went immediately to rat her out.

Everybody has a controversial opinion on one subject or another and everybody says really dumb shit at some point in their life. I would just distance myself from her. That's what I do when people say something I find objectionable. But I would never go talk to a manager to get them reprimanded or fired. That's just such a shitty thing to do. Jobs are tough to come by today, I would never try to jeopardize somebody's livelihood.

See, this is not really the case, and when people use this line of thinking to try and justify the inappropriate behavior of others it rings hollow.

Anyone that age should know better than to say that kind of thing at work even if they deeply believe it, and if they don't than the only one jeopardizing their livelihood is the person themselves.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

I'm with you. As disgusting as L's comments were I find it even more disgusting that R went immediately to rat her out.

Everybody has a controversial opinion on one subject or another and everybody says really dumb shit at some point in their life. I would just distance myself from her. That's what I do when people say something I find objectionable. But I would never go talk to a manager to get them reprimanded or fired. That's just such a shitty thing to do. Jobs are tough to come by today, I would never try to jeopardize somebody's livelihood.

nah. Racists can kick it in the bushes.

 

[bishoptl]

I'm with you. As disgusting as L's comments were I find it even more disgusting that R went immediately to rat her out.

Everybody has a controversial opinion on one subject or another and everybody says really dumb shit at some point in their life. I would just distance myself from her. That's what I do when people say something I find objectionable. But I would never go talk to a manager to get them reprimanded or fired. That's just such a shitty thing to do. Jobs are tough to come by today, I would never try to jeopardize somebody's livelihood.

Nope.

There's no justification for that shit on the job. Go be a sysadmin at Stormfront if it's so important to you, frankly.

 

[Krejlooc]

She had shitty parents.

And she is one, too.

 

[Omegasquash]

I'm with you. As disgusting as L's comments were I find it even more disgusting that R went immediately to rat her out.

Everybody has a controversial opinion on one subject or another and everybody says really dumb shit at some point in their life. I would just distance myself from her. That's what I do when people say something I find objectionable. But I would never go talk to a manager to get them reprimanded or fired. That's just such a shitty thing to do. Jobs are tough to come by today, I would never try to jeopardize somebody's livelihood.

No. Comments like this have no place in the world at all. On the job, where they are incredibly distracting and discriminatory they reduce productivity and create a negative environment.

You SHOULD lose your job over something like that. It's ridiculous to say otherwise.

 

[lastflowers]

Nope.

There's no justification for that shit on the job. Go be a sysadmin at Stormfront if it's so important to you, frankly.

Agreed

 

[BronsonLee]

I'm not sure I can handle people saying that snitching is a worse offense than being a racist.

 

[GaimeGuy]

I see you have experience in that matter GaimeGuy. Are you from northern Michigan?

No, I'm from Minnesota. It was just a playful jab at you in a "Yeah, you're freaking nuts" way since we're always butting heads

Spoiler

Your football program is legit crazy in a bad way, though

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I would never try to jeopardize somebody's livelihood.

Her belief structure jeopardizes the quality of multiple people's livelihoods every day.

Her getting fired will not ruin her life.

Her racism is actively making people's lives worse.

You have decided it's more important that she be allowed to verbally (and with a smile on her face) tell people all about her racist beliefs than it is for everyone else at her work to have a workplace free of that sort of toxic atmosphere.

You are arguing that people should be on some level complicit in her racism solely so that her source of income can be protected, and for no other reason than that. Who is she that she DESERVES to maintain that line of income from this company to the point where EVERYONE ELSE must not only stay quiet about it, but must contribute to maintaining an environment that allows for her to be publicly racist with no real repercussion?

People need to start coming clean on this topic: They're worried about whether or not she's being treated unfairly because they'd like to be reassured that at some point in the future, if and when they fuck up and get caught being "controversial" (read: Racist/sexist/homophobic) they can have faith in knowing there's a guaranteed 3rd/4th chance waiting to be pulled out of someone's pocket and slapped on the table.

This line of argument is basically nothing more than asking for people not to be held responsible for acting on their bullshit beliefs. It's asking for the continuation of giving privileged people a pass for no other reason than they're used to being given that pass, and so are you.

Why would your well-developed sense of empathy and compassion immediately turn towards the "unfair" proposition of this woman having to find herself a new job somewhere else, instead of going out to the rest of the workplace? Why is that your initial reaction?

 

[Squirrel Killer]

This, no one is gonna miss her racist, misguided ass.

Obviously, since they'll still be seeing it on a regular basis.

I'm with you. As disgusting as L's comments were I find it even more disgusting that R went immediately to rat her out. ... Jobs are tough to come by today, I would never try to jeopardize somebody's livelihood.

I am usually on the "don't fire" side of the argument whenever the pitchforks come out largely because jobs are tough to come by and because firings, while they don't destroy a person's life, are highly disruptive (although I'm not an absolutist on that - that nurse forging Rxs that Durask mentioned did deserve to get fired.) However, that doesn't mean people should get a free pass on bullshit, racists comments in the workplace absolutely deserve to be ratted out.