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[Ithil]

Don't sweat it, Cagey. If WrassleGAF had it's way, they'd book Dean Malenko to beat Goldberg instead of the second most over face in WCW at the time.

Because Reigns is as over as Goldberg in 1998, clearly.

 

[Data West]

Because Reigns is as over as Goldberg in 1998, clearly.

Nobody is as over as anybody in 1998

 

[DMczaf]

December Wrasslin' |OT| Nobody is over.

 

[Bronx-Man]

December Wrasslin' |OT| Nobody is over.

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Speaking of OT's, I've slept on it and I'll make the Survivor Series ot right after SmackDown ends this week. It won't be the ot WrassleGAF needs, but it'll be the one we deserve.

 

[Sephzilla]

You disobeyed your 4th Prime Directive, crashed the game to hell.

you crashed the game with your intro AGAIN

The #SephzillaSection is taking over, the game cant handle so many fans.

NOW BACK TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAM

 

[Cagey]

Wyatts vs. Kane/Taker had potential to be some throwback carny bullshit with supernatural stuff everywhere. If they wanted to reveal "OMG THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY DEAD" they could have done something far better than "oh hey pyro + music + walk out slow and menacing". Even something like Bray being like "OH HEY WE KILLED TAKER/KANE AND HERE ARE THE CASKETS AND OMG THEY ARE EMPTY" would have been better than that 'reveal'.

Oh well. Legit the only person I give two fucks about who is in a match at Survivor Series is KO.

WWE set the cheese dial on this story to 5 when it should be on Infinity.

Wrasslin' |OT| Nobody is over.

Slight edit to ensure perfection.

 

[Marvel]

December Wrasslin' |OT| Nobody is over.

I'll take it.

 

[sora87]

Embarrassing promo for the "divas" championship match. How can they fuck up so badly when they have something in their own company, NXT, as a baseline for how to do this properly.

 

[slightconfuse]

Taker vs Wyatt is a shitty Lucha Underground angle.

 

[Hex]

Embarrassing promo for the "divas" championship match. How can they fuck up so badly when they have something in their own company, NXT, as a baseline for how to do this properly.

I do not think it was terrible, I think Charlotte is just complete ass on the mic.
Paige was totally killing it with the heel swag and trying to build.
Charlotte is just a limp wet blanket..soggy with tears.

 

[Sephzilla]

December Wrasslin' |OT| Nobody is over.

Edit - Since I used this gif, I really want Taker and Kane to come out in retro attire for Survivor Series

 

[Aiii]

Taker vs Wyatt is a shitty Lucha Underground angle.

Lucha Underground is wonderful and magic. Don't associate this WWE crap with the holy grail of wrestling, goddammit.

 

[FlammableD]

We need a good december OT. Some effort god dammit

 

[Fox318]

Is that also the nod he gave to DM's mom?

 

[Marvel]

Kane used to look so awesome

 

[Striker]

I'm all for supernatural and wacky things in wrestling. It's wrestling. But the main problem with this is no one will care about the results or purpose of this storyline in two months. Maybe it matters if The Wyatt Family demolish both of them and they're out for months, but it isn't going in that direction.

 

[orioto]

So you turn Reigns heel just to have him immediately dead in the water, then have noone to face Face Owens at Wrestlemania?

Short term thinking poppi.

Well Reigns is in the Heel authority stable with sheamus. He can have the belt at RR and Owens takes it back at Mania.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Taker vs Wyatt is a shitty Lucha Underground angle.

Lucha Underground would at least give a middle section to this shitty story instead of skipping straight to the end.

 

[Hex]

Lucha Underground would at least give a middle section to this shitty story instead of skipping straight to the end.

El Jefe Dario would have both sides jumping through hoops with glee.
It would be glorious.

 

[Fox318]

There are problems with the Wyatts.

• In a PG era none of the heels can be heels, there are too many things they can't do or say.
• Already fed to Cena, Taker, Roman, Ambrose fued didn't help him
• Hasn't really done anything evil, most recently he helped a beaten old man out of the ring
• Promos have no steak in real life or wrestling. Why should bray care about winning a fake sports match?
  

 

[spindashing]

Is that also the nod he gave to DM's mom?

 

[Zach]

Crush's career has been crushed by Yokozuna

Good.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Been thinking about Reigns.

Look, the guy is no doubt very talented in the squared circle. I have come to accept this. Last night reminded me, not taught, that the guy can work a great match. Good ring psychology, good athleticism, doesn't hurt anyone....it's all good.

I think what is truly, undoubtedly, hurting him, both in regard to the audience's perception and to his own arc...is his attire and overall shield gimmick.

Like, when you watch and listen to the guy out of the ring, he exudes far more charisma than he can share on screen. I say can because he's probably listening to what people behind the curtain are telling him to do. But the guy comes off as a genuinely nice guy but you can't and won't see that when you have a metal dude in chest armor with long hair and tats come out. It clashes against that persona and I don't think that persona is him. I truly believe the guy doesn't buy his own gimmick, can't find a way to own it.

You look back at some his younger pictures, listen to him out of the ring and it just all doesn't feed into Roman Reigns. This guy would be sooooo over if he could just be himself and find a new gimmick. That isn't happening anytime soon.

Here's the problem, if he is struggling with the character now, he's going to risk the longevity of his career. He needs a new make over. Turning him heel isn't the answer.

with that said, and this may sound a tad hypocritical, I will stop viewing the show when he nabs the title. I have zero interest in what that has to offer.

Just get rid of the vest and turn his black pants into camo pants. Boom, he's finally ready.

 

[DMczaf]

Roman's gear made him look strangely short compared to Cesaro last night. I mean he is short compared to Cesaro, but he looked even shorter.

Maybe it's the transition between the vest and pants that make his legs look short?

 

[Sephzilla]

Reigns would be so much better off right now if the WM31 push didn't happen. I really think that stunted his development and also put a permanent dent into how some fans will treat him.

 

[Fox318]

Been thinking about Reigns.

Look, the guy is no doubt very talented in the squared circle. I have come to accept this. Last night reminded me, not taught, that the guy can work a great match. Good ring psychology, good athleticism, doesn't hurt anyone....it's all good.

I think what is truly, undoubtedly, hurting him, both in regard to the audience's perception and to his own arc...is his attire and overall shield gimmick.

Like, when you watch and listen to the guy out of the ring, he exudes far more charisma than he can share on screen. I say can because he's probably listening to what people behind the curtain are telling him to do. But the guy comes off as a genuinely nice guy but you can't and won't see that when you have a metal dude in chest armor with long hair and tats come out. It clashes against that persona and I don't think that persona is him. I truly believe the guy doesn't buy his own gimmick, can't find a way to own it.

You look back at some his younger pictures, listen to him out of the ring and it just all doesn't feed into Roman Reigns. This guy would be sooooo over if he could just be himself and find a new gimmick. That isn't happening anytime soon.

Here's the problem, if he is struggling with the character now, he's going to risk the longevity of his career. He needs a new make over. Turning him heel isn't the answer.

with that said, and this may sound a tad hypocritical, I will stop viewing the show when he nabs the title. I have zero interest in what that has to offer.

Reigns is a wrestler who is designed by a corprate committee to sell tshirts, work with advertisers, and do well with kids. He is Cena 2.0.

Diesel wasn't over as a hulk Hogan clone, he was over as Kevin nash. Vince doesn't know how to make a babyface star anymore. If it's not a guy the audience already attached themselves to then Vince doesn't know what to do.


I mean Cena got over because he was on smackdown. On raw he would have been HHH's bitch.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Edit - Since I used this gif, I really want Taker and Kane to come out in retro attire for Survivor Series

I remember reading that Kane disliked his mask because he couldn't sell emotions with his face and was entirely reliant on body language and made him feel strangled.

 

[Zach]

Did I f'ing go over in GWF last night? At least debut The New Blade Runners gimmick with my Rock, Bronx-Man?

 

[Sephzilla]

I remember reading that Kane hated his classic mask. Always made him feel strangled.

Yeah it doesn't look extremely comfy. But for one night man, one night.

 

[Fox318]

Yeah it doesn't look extremely comfy. But for one night man, one night.

You save that for Mania

Kane main eventing wrestlemania



In 2016

 

[Bronx-Man]

Did I f'ing go over in GWF last night? At least debut The New Blade Runners gimmick with my Rock, Bronx-Man?

I got squashed last night, brother. You didn't hear it from me, but I think Fox has been getting pretty cozy with the GWF powers that be.

 

[Empyrean Heaven]

Here's the line-up for the 2016 NJPW/CMLL FantasticaMania tour!

. Mistico
. Volador Jr.
. Atlantis
. Guerrero Maya Jr.
. Dragon Lee
. Stuka Jr
. Fuego
. Mascara Dorada
. Titan
. The Panther
. Mephisto
. Ultimo Guerrero
. Hechicero
. Bobby Z
. Virus
. Barbaro Cavernario
. OKUMURA

Six debuts there, Dragon Lee, Guerrero Maya Jr, The Panther, Hechicero, Virus & Bobby Z. Glad to see Fuego back! And no spot wasted on the likes of Niebla this year, thankfully.

Surprised at the lack of La Sombra and Rush, and, even though I hate him, La Mascara. I was really hoping the full Los Ingobernables were going to get together and wreck some shit.

 

[DMczaf]

Was I even booked last night?

 

[real_slime]

Does anybody else think they should eventually put the heavyweight title on The New Day, in a shared reign? Have them shockingly beat a face champion sometime in 2016 in a throwaway handicapped match on RAW, shake up the company to its core. It would be something new and different that could really get people talking again. Them playing hot potato with the biggest prize in the business would be hilarious.

New Day are gonna wear out their welcome with me soon. The unicorn thing is the wrong side of stupid. I've stopped watching their segments. Hoping they break up and all three get decent singles runs, but they're black and this is WWE so that isn't going to happen.

 

[FlammableD]

If you missed it as part of #Rawlternative, Dave Mastiff vs Adam Cole from PCW is up on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjm3kb_LGlA

 

[Gonzalez]

Yeah it doesn't look extremely comfy. But for one night man, one night.

...And yet his best work was under that very same mask.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Was I even booked last night?

You were. You did the job. Putting over our new kids.

 

[DMczaf]

You were. You did the job. Putting over our new kids.

I...but....you told me I was still a draw....


;_;

 

[Fox318]

Imagine what this match would have drew today.

Now that's a 100,000 crowd draw.

 

[FlammableD]

I...but....you told me I was still a draw....


;_;

"I'm done with ya"

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Am i the only one seeing the potential classical double turn potential with KO and Reigns ?

Have Triple H play the whole "there is no chance we have that fatty representing us" at the ppv. Final is Reings/Owens. Before it, Trip tries one last time to convince Reings to be the authority guy, but he firmly rejects it.

In the match, Reings is the usual super man, but Owens is damn brave. of course you already have dual chants anyway, cause half the crowd wants Owens to win, but 0% of them believe it's a possibility.

So Reings is frustrated. he finally accepts Triple H helps, shenanigans happens. Everyone expects Owens to lose now. he's the total robbed underdog at this point. Except he wins.

Legendary marking moment right there.
If you want to make it even more epic. What you do. When Owens wins, his son is ringside and comes to hug him or something. But Triple H is not done with all that. He calls Sheamus, who cashes in on an half dead Owens. But Owens doesn't overcome the odds in an unrealistic rool up or something. No he's still Owens. So he takes a chair and destroy the fuck out of Sheamus with the crowd going crazy. gets dq, keeps the belt. Trips is in rage. Owens is on teh ring with his son and wet eyes. The glass ceilling has been shattered etc..

Then you have the next weeks showing Trips and his good looking magazine cover stable trying to take the belt back. Eventually they managed to do it. Owens take it back at Mania.

I dunno, on one hand that asks for a depth WWE doesn't usually show. And on that same hand they would pull out what I feel is Owens' most compelling work, his heel work. He can even be a lifetime heel, like IRS or DiBiase. There's no shame in never turning.

However I'm sure sometime DiBiase did turn, but I bet it didn't go over well.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Eddie Guerrero was a solid draw, but 100,000 for Brock/Eddie? Lol

 

[Sephzilla]

Am i the only one seeing the potential classical double turn potential with KO and Reigns ?

Have Triple H play the whole "there is no chance we have that fatty representing us" at the ppv. Final is Reings/Owens. Before it, Trip tries one last time to convince Reings to be the authority guy, but he firmly rejects it.

In the match, Reings is the usual super man, but Owens is damn brave. of course you already have dual chants anyway, cause half the crowd wants Owens to win, but 0% of them believe it's a possibility.

So Reings is frustrated. he finally accepts Triple H helps, shenanigans happens. Everyone expects Owens to lose now. he's the total robbed underdog at this point. Except he wins.

Legendary marking moment right there.
If you want to make it even more epic. What you do. When Owens wins, his son is ringside and comes to hug him or something. But Triple H is not done with all that. He calls Sheamus, who cashes in on an half dead Owens. But Owens doesn't overcome the odds in an unrealistic rool up or something. No he's still Owens. So he takes a chair and destroy the fuck out of Sheamus with the crowd going crazy. gets dq, keeps the belt. Trips is in rage. Owens is on teh ring with his son and wet eyes. The glass ceilling has been shattered etc..

Then you have the next weeks showing Trips and his good looking magazine cover stable trying to take the belt back. Eventually they managed to do it. Owens take it back at Mania.

I actually like this. It would kind of recreate the Austin/McMahon dynamic in a way I feel actually makes sense.

 

[avengers23]

That was a fine episode of GWF last night, though I had to tap out so I could sleep.

klonere's entrance is incredible, and it needs to be seen live.

bjork was legit shook by the ass beating he took from Beef. A squash match for the ages.

Seph getting Wellness'd was just great.

Plywood is getting a push, while "The World's Wrongest Man" imbask's avatar is a great piece of work by Sunny.

 

[klonere]

My entrance makes perfect sense.

Where do you think the druids came from in the first place? Northern Irish King Druid Sheamus will be your Totino's champ soon, trust me.

 

[FlammableD]

That was a fine episode of GWF last night, though I had to tap out so I could sleep.

klonere's entrance is incredible, and it needs to be seen live.

bjork was legit shook by the ass beating he took from Beef. A squash match for the ages.

Seph getting Wellness'd was just great.

Plywood is getting a push, while "The World's Wrongest Man" imbask's avatar is a great piece of work by Sunny.

looking forward to catching up tonight

 

[MG310]

Charlotte's referring to all wrestling as WWE kinda sorta gets on my nerves. Tonight/last night was the second time I can remember her doing it.

Initially I thought that was to set up Paige's part of the promo but they didn't go that way. Paige being furious about her comparing her upbringing to Charlottes and probably saying something about Ric never coming home because he didn't give a shit about her.

There were lots of things in Charlotte's promo for her to jump on including her wording the bit about doing it for Reid as the ONLY reason she's there.

 

[Empyrean Heaven]

Kevin Kelly has confirmed that, unsurprisingly, he and Matt Striker will return to call Wrestle Kingdom 10 exclusively for NJPW World.

By the way, it's a month out, but I am taking suggestions on what the OT should be.

NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 10 in Tokyo Dome [OT]: The King, The Gun, The Ace, The Sword.

 

[klonere]

Kevin Kelly has confirmed that, unsurprisingly, he and Matt Striker will return to call Wrestle Kingdom 10 exclusively for NJPW World.

 

[Hex]

Initially I thought that was to set up Paige's part of the promo but they didn't go that way. Paige being furious about her comparing her upbringing to Charlottes and probably saying something about Ric never coming home because he didn't give a shit about her.

There were lots of things in Charlotte's promo for her to jump on including her wording the bit about doing it for Reid as the ONLY reason she's there.

Yeah I thought it might go somewhere too but I was thinking ...Charlotte your dad was barely in the WWE at that point and probably did not give much a shit about it as he was in and out of WCW and Paige's family never touched WWE and most likely did not give a shit about it.