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[Krappadizzle]

Bullshit, I refuse to buy the DLC!

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that doesn't come with the season pass

. That said tbh I wasn't too interested in the mp when it launched on PS3, I bought the season pass for the single player DLC. Now that there isn't much to play on PS4 at the moment I'm gonna really dive into TLoU's and am glad to have all those perks and options available to my liking even though I think it's still bullshit that you can't use any of those items in a custom slot unless you help feed the coffers.

 

[fade_]

It seems like people cannot be pleased. People demanded the game be ported. They do that. Everyone says 60 bucks is too much. The lower it to 50 and let ya trade in the last of us ps3 at gamestop for half the price. Now they don't add a few weapons/perks and everybody is freaking out. First of all you don't need to guns or perks to win. L2P! Second of all it seems like a good amount of people have zero clue the amount of work software development takes. Let them make a few bucks of people who are not good at mp. You don't need the extra stuff at all.

The people complaining seem to be the ones who have never even tried the MP and if they have I highly doubt it was more than a couple sittings.

 

[Alienous]

i think it's good, it provides a premium experience for those who have a little bit more to spare. Naughty Dog are a world class developer, they know what they are doing and know their true fans can afford extra content easily, so this is great. i honestly find it very tacky to whine about having to pay a little more for a better experience... a sad case of affairs this whole thread. money makes the world go around, deal with it jk lol im probably not buying the game because of this.

Oh thank God.

You scared me.

 

[Dragon]

So when people criticise another company for doing this sort of thing, they'll put out all the people that defended when ND did it.

What a waste of their self-righteous time. Not every situation is the same, the Forza stuff is arguably worse than this.

How childish. Is that really the way you're going to describe the debate going on in this thread? Because frankly, the people 'defending' Naughty Dog are primarily posting the facts to fight the rabid assumptions from the 'disgusted' camp.

1) The DLC gives you extra customisation choices, not a straight up boost. You do not get any of these things for free, you always have to forgo something of similar value from the free perks or weapons.

2) This has been the case for a long time in the PS3 version of the game.

3) You can use almost all the purchasable content in the preset classes.

4) You can do more than fine without any of the purchasable content.

5) This is absolutely no different from the DLC in games like Battlefield 4, which grants you more weapons and equipment.

This thread has nothing to do with people defending ND because they're ND. People are explaining the facts to combat the hyperbole coming from those with little to no experience of the multiplayer. We could have a discussion about whether this is a good practice. Instead, we're having a pointless argument of facts vs assumptions. Better still, posts like yours are basically accusing everyone fighting the fire as being so biased towards ND that we can't see the wood for the trees.

Do I like this practice? No. I don't. I'd prefer the content to not exist, or to be free. At the same time, as a long time player of the game, I have the context to say that it's not that significant an issue. There are so many precise analogues that no-one seems to really care about.

This post is great, but it's sad you're responding to a lazy post full of strawmen and vitriol.

 

[Cheech]

"Absolutely disgusting" is a bit strong.

Everyone does this with their multiplayer games now. Everyone. I know there is this need to believe that Sony/ND is somehow morally superior and operates in the customer's interest more than EA or Activision, but that's nonsense. These companies exist to make money, and it's irresponsible to their shareholders and employees to not charge people for things they're willing to pay for.

 

[Ansatz]

Wow that is insane. I can only accept cosmetic things like costumes and skins locked behind paywalls but not actual perks with stats that affect the gameplay. Wasn't aware of this practice because I have no intention in paying a sub fee to access online gaming.

 

[astroturfing]

That is no one's loss but yours.

Over items you'll probably never use in MP.

But hey, gotta make a stand against the greedy and disgusting developers at Naughty Dog!

yea, i might never use them, but others will, against me. that smoke immunity thing sounds lame as hell, if it's correct.

and yea i think they're greedy, their game has already sold millions and millions and they had already released the game over a year ago.. do they REALLY still need to nickel and dime with this sort of annoying nonsense that taints the otherwise wonderful multiplayer?

 

[giancarlo123x]

I have the DLC weapons and don't even use them. They honestly are alright at best. Revolver > enforcer, shotgun craps on double barrel, assault rifle is better than spectre, launcher reloads too slow to be really effective. The abilities are good but cost a lot of loadout points. Nothing is OP.

 

[darkwing]

how many do you guys think are using the paid perks? I feel the available ones are enough, you can only put so much in the point loadout system

 

[marc^o^]

Naughty Gods are humans after all.

 

[Nocturnal]

lol at people defending them "just weapons" and so on just because it's Naughty Dog. Same shit happens when Valve fucks up.

Gaf pls

 

[Ooccoo]

Gaming then: unlock cool stuff by achieving feats
Gaming now: unlock the full game with $$$

 

[dugdug]

People comparing this to Forza 5 need to get a grip. That game is constantly asking you for real money. You have to dig (albeit, not very far, but, still) for the DLC in TLOU, and, you are still given plenty of options to perform perfectly well in the vanilla version of the game.

I agree that this present world of "pay for everything and then some" really blows, but, this is hardly the most egregious example I've seen.

 

[jon bones]

As much as I enjoy TLOU MP, I agree.

You would think a developer of ND's caliber would avoid poorly designed cash grabs like this.

 

[scitek]

I feel like the word "disgusting" is starting to be abused in these situations. I don't think it's disgusting, but it's a shame they couldn't actually put out the definitive version of the game for the sake of making a little extra cash. I can't imagine they'll make much from this, anyway.

 

[Xenon]

haha perfect. Now all we need is a capture of the purchase screens with Joel Banderas

 

[quickwhips]

I sorta Hate ND for doing this. Its my first game I bought of theirs and I feel its really a crappy way to make money...I bet the new maps will cost money also. Should just stick with Hats and I would have bought them all...just to support them but now fuck it. I will really look closer at the multiplayer in their other games before I buy again.

 

[Piston Hyundai]

lol at people defending them "just weapons" and so on just because it's Naughty Dog. Same shit happens when Valve fucks up.

Gaf pls

Valve doesn't fuck up in the same way with TF2, though. They don't lock customizing loadouts with certain weapons behind a paywall.

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They just murder the game's art style and make it borderline overwhelming for newcomers.

 

[Mr.Miyamoto]

I saw this in the DLC list and I was frankly shocked. I had heard this game was made by reputable and caring devs, but it seems like they let their work be prostituted for piecemeal pennies like everyone else.

 

[Kinyou]

"Absolutely disgusting" is a bit strong.

Everyone does this with their multiplayer games now. Everyone. I know there is this need to believe that Sony/ND is somehow morally superior and operates in the customer's interest more than EA or Activision, but that's nonsense. These companies exist to make money, and it's irresponsible to their shareholders and employees to not charge people for things they're willing to pay for.

Everyone? What about f2p games where everything you can buy is just cosmetics? Hell, even Titanfall avoided micro transactions. Hiding access to perks and weapons behind micro transactions in a competitive multiplayer game is probably one of the worst implementations you can get. It sucks in battlefield and it sucks in tlou

 

[speakerlog]

Pretty shitt from ND I hope this get's rectified soon.

 

[Magwik]

What. The. Fuck. Everyone is losing their shit over optional DLC weapons? If you're bad these weapons and perks don't do shit. The best player and team will still win. You can even use them is preset loadouts! I swear people always look for the smallest reasons to get angry at a videogame or developer.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Ok, you guys need to calm down. These weapons are far from game-changing; I own them all and rarely use them. They just offer a different gameplay experience, they are not superior to the base game weapons. The survival skills are the same way, I never equip them because there are perks that suit my playstyle in the base game.

For reference, I use a silenced single shot rifle, revolver, covert training 2 and some other mix of skills. I got MVP for every game I played yesterday except one.

 

[lmbotiva]

It amazes me how some people feel entitled to get this for free, remember this is above all a business, TLOU:R has a lot of content for its price, not only that, it's top class quality content but some people always find ways to the negatives, business people, ND isn't a charity company, keep that in mind

 

[LogicStep]

So who do we tweet to let them know this is bullshit? I get that there is no unbalance and that they are available in the preset loadouts. I understand that point and I'm sure most others do. But it really sucks that they aren't pay to unlock now vs play and unlock later. I want to customize my loadouts with any perks I want and having to pay to be able to do so is just really shitty. I bought the game on PS3 day 1 and did the same with the Remaster and they still want more money from me.

 

[SocksAndShoes]

I saw this in the DLC list and I was frankly shocked. I had heard this game was made by reputable and caring devs, but it seems like they let their work be prostituted for piecemeal pennies like everyone else.

Wow, yep, they are clearly letting their work be prostituted around...


To those of you complaining: You guys do realize you have a choice in the matter?

Don't buy the DLC if it bothers you that much. That's it. The practice of monetizing games is not going away because you don't like it. Capitalism always wins.

And please don't act like you're severely disadvantaged by not having this DLC. You aren't.

 

[Finale Fireworker]

This is insane. Why does GAF hate paying for things? If you don't want something then don't buy it. Nobody is making you buy it. Games are not free to make, multiplayer servers are not free to maintain, and the money you spend on DLC is essential to the livelihood of a studio.

 

[Dunkley]

It seems like people cannot be pleased. People demanded the game be ported. They do that. Everyone says 60 bucks is too much. The lower it to 50 and let ya trade in the last of us ps3 at gamestop for half the price. Now they don't add a few weapons/perks and everybody is freaking out. First of all you don't need to guns or perks to win. L2P! Second of all it seems like a good amount of people have zero clue the amount of work software development takes. Let them make a few bucks of people who are not good at mp. You don't need the extra stuff at all.

You know, there's a wide amount of other stuff they could have done for extra bucks that wouldn't involve locking out content to players who don't want to pay up.

There's a high number of games that just gets that extra cash off cosmetics, and honestly the way you're putting it, it doesn't seem unrealistic to assume ND could have just as well done that.

I'll be keeping this thread in mind next time EA or Activision dares to charge for unlocks which can otherwise be unlocked through playing the game. It makes me wonder if anyone will try to justify development cost, servers costs and them "being just human" then too.

 

[Piston Hyundai]

Don't buy the DLC if it bothers you that much.

business people, ND isn't a charity company, keep that in mind

I was waiting for these to pop up!

just because you bought the game doesn't mean you are entitled to free DLC or more

There's a difference between "It's kind of shitty that you have to pay for this" and "I am entitled to this"

 

[Magwik]

I own every Halo game so do I get the MCC for free? I bought Halo 2,3,Reach, and 4 on day one. I am a loyal customer and demand I get stuff for free. Seriously this thread is horrible.
just because you bought the game doesn't mean you are entitled to free DLC or more

 

[IISANDERII]

I think I'm going to wait till they make a version with all the DLC included.

By that time, the barrier of entry will be already very high. Everybody will be great at the game, know all maps etc while you'll still be figuring out the basics. Prepared to get pwned often and early.

 

[thunder_snail]

They should've made the SP campaign a standalone game and made MP F2P.
No one would ever complain if TLOU lacked MP anyways.
Sony could've made even more money with pricier MP items and people wouldn't be complaining or calling it "absolutely disgusting" at all.

Learn from me Sony!

 

[Kinyou]

And please don't act like you're severely disadvantaged by not having this DLC. You aren't.

It does break the balance through the sheer fact that one player has access to something the other player does not.
Don't you think there's a reason why a game like halo doesn't sell players weapons individually?

 

[Fornaximus]

This... makes me wanna buy my copy used.

 

[SneakyStephan]

"Absolutely disgusting" is a bit strong.

Everyone does this with their multiplayer games now. Everyone. I know there is this need to believe that Sony/ND is somehow morally superior and operates in the customer's interest more than EA or Activision, but that's nonsense. These companies exist to make money, and it's irresponsible to their shareholders and employees to not charge people for things they're willing to pay for.

great, the 'companies exist to make money' line
...

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

There's a difference between "It's kind of shitty that you have to pay for this" and "I am entitled to this"

Except people aren't saying it's "kind of shitty," they're saying it's a major grievance and are outraged.

I think it's kind of shitty even though I paid for the season pass on the PS3 and don't regret it.

It does break the balance through the sheer fact that one player has access to something the other player does not.
Don't you think there's a reason why a game like halo doesn't sell players weapons individually?

Like I mentioned previously, they cater to different gameplay styles, but they're not superior in anyway. They just add something new to the mix.

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

So who do we tweet to let them know this is bullshit? I get that there is no unbalance and that they are available in the preset loadouts. I understand that point and I'm sure most others do. But it really sucks that they aren't pay to unlock now vs play and unlock later. I want to customize my loadouts with any perks I want and having to pay to be able to do so is just really shitty. I bought the game on PS3 day 1 and did the same with the Remaster and they still want more money from me.

This is a completely fine criticism. I fully support any gameplay affecting elements, balanced or not, to be included in games, and leave customization to DLC.

I just wish some would quit acting like the MP is broken because of this.

PS. The passive aggressive ND can do no wrong is getting super annoying. They have been criticized a lot, get over yourselves.

 

[hesido]

Don't buy the DLC if it bothers you that much. That's it. The practice of monetizing games is not going away because you don't like it. Capitalism always wins.

When easy to develop DLC's don't sell much, it's not really a problem for the dev/publisher. They can recoup development costs and then earn some more on top even 0.5% of players buy that DLC, and anything you sell extra to the customer after you have sold the main product becomes a net income after that. Modeling a gun/balancing it shouldn't be costly, and the perks just need balancing. But for this DLC, since they already allow some(all?) of these perks and guns in specific classes, selling these is even more profitable, they are just selling the ability to to use these in your custom loadout. So voting with wallet won't work.

Actually, it does sound a bit shameful when put like this: for just allowing you to use perks/weapons already available in other parts of the game in user-desired combinations, they are asking for money.

They need to see the grand scheme of things, how it may be harmful to the community to put these abilities behind paywalls.

Edit: Btw, They could still monetize the game through other means, selling:

• Hats
• Skins
• Taunts
• Execution animations

 

[Magwik]

It does break the balance through the sheer fact that one player has access to something the other player does not.
Don't you think there's a reason why a game like halo doesn't sell players weapons individually?

Actually Halo 4 sold perks with DLC maps, a game type too.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

This stuff really should have been included with the PS4 version of the game.

On another note, generally speaking I hate multiplayer games that have this kind of stuff. It sucks when you pay full retail price for a game and still have to worry about not having access to all of the skills and weapons (stuff that obviously affects the gameplay). If ND wants to go all crazy with cosmetic microtransactions that's fine, but I really wish they hadn't taken this path.

That said, my experience with the MP so far has been a blast and I don't think it'll be too big a deal to never have access to this stuff. It's mostly just the principle of the issue that bothers me.

One final thought, the pre-made class excuse is so stupid. No one wants to be restricted into using pre-made classes in a game like this.

 

[Kinyou]

Like I mentioned previously, they cater to different gameplay styles, but they're not superior in anyway. They just add something new to the mix.

It still means that I can get killed by someone with a load out that I have no way of obtaining other than paying money. Perhaps if micro transaction buyers were confined to their own playlist it would be more acceptable

Actually Halo 4 sold perks with DLC maps, a game type too.

Didn't know that 343 did that. Sounds pretty shitty to me. Do you have no problem with that?

 

[Sande]

Multiplayer should only have cosmetic items for real money, but you can't single out Naughty Dog for something like this when it's an industry wide practice.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Pretty despicable, all these little sneaky money grabs are kinda turning me off a game that I initially was somewhat curious about.

 

[Magwik]

Pretty despicable, all these little sneaky money grabs are kinda turning me off a game that I initially was somewhat curious about.

Wat

 

[Moofers]

It's just all gravy. I am a pretty solid performer (often first on my team) and I don't use any of the dlc load out stuff.

 

[Ray Wonder]

At first glance, it sounds like a bad thing. If they weren't available any other way beside paying for them I would think it's a big deal. Since you can use them in preset load outs, then I don't see it as a big deal. It sucks that you have to pay to put them in a custom load out, but It's not the end of the world. If I had a PS4, I'd probably buy a pack just to support one of my favorite devs.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

Multiplayer should only have cosmetic items for real money, but you can't single out Naughty Dog for something like this when it's an industry wide practice.

I think this case is particularly egregious because it's the remastered version of the game that comes with all of the added content other than this stuff. I bought the PS3 and PS4 versions of this game at launch and still don't have access to these skills and weapons which I find to be pretty lame.

 

[TeddyShardik]

The only thing that's disgusting is the pricing on these packs. That's pretty damn high.
Everything else seems to be standard fare these days except the fact that people can actually use the stuff for free.

 

[SocksAndShoes]

It does break the balance through the sheer fact that one player has access to something the other player does not.
Don't you think there's a reason why a game like halo doesn't sell players weapons individually?

Everyone has access to these items. It's been repeated many times in this thread.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

You do have access to these items. It's been repeated many times in this thread.

Using pre-made classes in a game like this sucks. The whole point of loadouts is customization.