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Loki said:Dude, if Dominique Wilkins had a 48" vert and Jordan had nearly the same give or take an inch or two, then I'm pretty sure that Vince has a 47" vertical leap. As for the hangtime, well, yes, when he plants two feet and jumps more vertical than horizontal, he has great hangtime, because he gets really high due to his vertical leap.
But, much like Doninique, he's not an exceptional one-foot or horizontal leaper; McGrady and Jordan are better horizontal leapers (i.e., can get higher and cover more distance off of one foot on horizontal leaps such as layup attempts). To give you an example:
The Vince alley-oop dunk from Rucker, where he catches it in the air and then puts it through his legs-- insane, right? I'm not sure if Jordan could do that (he likely couldn't, but such things weren't even attempted back then). Remember the Jordan highlight where he catches the alley-oop on the break against the Knicks sideways, with Mark Jackson jumping to try to catch the pass, and Jordan just takes off sideways off of one foot, horizontally, and jams it and then lands on Ewing's head? Look where Jordan's head is on that play and where he takes off from, while running full speed, off of one foot. I don't think Vince could do that; I think TMac or Kobe possibly could.
Point being that Vince's hangtime is largely confined to the jumps that have a greater vertical component than a horizontal one (yes, this sounds crazy, but it's true). Does Carter have more horizontal or one-foot jump hangtime than 95% of other players? Yes. But it's nowhere near what TMac or Jordan have/had. Do you honestly think that Carter-- even pre-injury-- could do that move that TMac made against Charlotte that DM had as an avatar a while back, where he comes under the basket and flips it up at the last second with his left hand? Can Vince do Jordan's move against the Nets where he wends his way through 4 Nets defenders in the air to hit the reverse after taking off from the dotted line on the other side of the basket (this is my fave MJ move ever, btw, especially seen froma normal angle)? I don't think he can do either of those, or dozens of other things the two of them have done over the years. Likewise, Vince has done things that McGrady and Jordan most likely couldn't do, mostly things involving vertical leap (see: VC's Olympic jam over that 7-footer).
If one combined the instances of "jumps with more horizontal component than vertical" and "jumps with more vertical component than horizontal" (which are rarer, since you need space to plant both feet without getting bumped), then Jordan and TMac have more hangtime than Vince ever did imo, because they have greater hangtime on the majority of those leaps, which are horizontal leaps. I hope you don't think this is an artificial distinction I'm making here, because it's common knowledge that guys like Wilkins or Vince are great vertical leapers, while guys like Jordan, Drexler, and TMac are great vertical AND horizontal leapers (while not as good in the vertical as the pure vertical leapers are).
Blackace said:About two footed leapers...the human highlight was the purest and best there ever was... end of story...
KE04 said:shinobi, i know it isn't real. that much is said in my reply.
KE04 said:um, him mentioning the '95 sonics as a potential trading partner should be enough to clue in even the most mentally retarded gimps that he was, in fact, venting.
Jumpman said:Jordan was the best player in the air EVER, period. He's not called Air Jordan for nothing you know.
Vince has thrown down some of the sickest dunks in NBA history, but I think Jordan could have done any one of them. Everything Jordan did on the court was beautiful, graceful, art in motion. Whenever he would jump you know something great was about to happen. It's true that his dunks weren't as flamboyant as some you see today, but theres a reason for that. You just didn't showboat as much back then. If you tried to, you would get your ass handed to you on the next possesion. You can't get away with punishing showboaters very easily anymore, with the current rules, so people are more inclined to show off. Plus, if they can make a name for themself on the highlight shows, it leads to monster endorsement deals. With all that said, Jordan's airial exploits, although more subtle, were and still are unmatched.
the more attractive dunker
Shinobi said:Nah...you're crazy.
In the first place, don't try and tell me people didn't showboat back then. Jordan's every dunk was made with his tongue sticking out. And the rock the cradle dunk in game was showboating. But so the fuck what? If you're that good, showboat.
In the second place, VC has done 360's with ease, the statue of liberty dunk in game (and made it look twice as good as the original), a reverse 360 windmill, the elbow in the rim dunk, windmill alley oops, a breakaway alley oop against the Bucks where got so high his head was at rim level when he threw it down, a double pump reverse on the baseline, a self alley oop off the rim on an angle in traffic, a spin into the lane off a drive followed by a two handed facial on Divac, and a crowning of a 7 footer so badly his nuts scraped his head. I've yet to see the evidence that MJ could've done any of those dunks. The amount of new dunks that he did in his first two years was absolutely staggering. And remember that's the reason they brought the slam dunk contest back out of mothballs to begin with, since it was believed by more then a few people that we'd seen everything there was to see with the dunk. Well, VC murdered that notion.
One of these days we're gonna have to trade our dunk videos on like, Direct Connect or something. Pictures might speak a thousand words, but video speaks a couple million.
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"why thank you, shinobi...you doing anything tonight?"
Notebook: Allen-Kobe feud fuels exhibition
By Percy Allen
Seattle Times staff reporter
ROD MAR / THE SEATTLE TIMES
The Sonics' Ray Allen, left, and the Lakers' Kobe Bryant are becoming heated rivals.
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SAN DIEGO If Ray Allen were more succinct when answering questions, his friends say, then perhaps the Sonics guard might avoid uncomfortable confrontations like his one tonight against the Los Angeles Lakers' Kobe Bryant.
But Allen is anything but succinct, and his comments after Seattle's only exhibition victory two weeks ago, in which he questioned Bryant's leadership, enraged Bryant to the point where he issued a somewhat amusing threat.
According to a Lakers team source, Bryant telephoned Allen days ago and told him, "I'm gonna bust your ass," in anticipation of their 7:30 p.m. exhibition at the San Diego Sports Arena.
After yesterday's practice, Allen denied receiving such a message from Bryant, and before last night's game against Phoenix in Las Vegas, the Lakers guard scoffed when asked about the rumor.
"Don't even put me and dude in the same breath," he told a reporter.
Their denials notwithstanding, an otherwise meaningless exhibition in a non-NBA city has suddenly been infused with a little bit of intrigue because of the budding rivalry between the stars.
"I hope he plays me hard," Allen said. "I would like to think that he's been doing that already because when I play against him, I go hard at him whether it was something that's been said in the newspaper or whatever.
"That mentality doesn't change. I know it doesn't for me, and I'm quite sure he feels the same. But if he's extra motivated then he should know that I don't care what goes on in L.A. I could(n't) care less. ... My focus is on this team right here."
Allen acknowledged that in their last meeting, Bryant knocked him in the jaw with what appeared to be an inadvertent elbow. They not only exchanged elbows but volleyed verbal jabs that ranged from playful barbs to ugly insults.
Allen conceded the individual battle (he scored 25 points and Bryant had 35) but his team claimed an 87-80 victory.
"That part of the game, the way guys go at each other, has changed from when I first got into the league," said Allen, who was selected in the 1996 draft along with Bryant. "There's always been trash talking, but man, it's gotten so personal now. And Kobe, he talks trash with the best of them."
The war of words is nothing new for Bryant, who is verbally feuding with former teammate Shaquille O'Neal. As for Allen, he has received threats of violence from former teammates Glenn Robinson and Tim Thomas.
"I've had guys talk about me as a basketball player, and I'm OK with that," Allen said. "Whether I should be an All-Star or not or just other things. ... So this latest thing with Kobe, well, that's just funny. You know what it is, it's childish."
Jumpman said:I'm not saying people didn't showboat back then, just way less than they do now. And yeah, Jordan did his share of showboating. He was probably the biggest reason people do it so much now. He still had to keep a lid on it though somewhat. If he tried to goof on the old Celtics or Pistons, I guarantee you he would see a sharp elbow or hard foul next time down the court. As a result of this atmosphere during his athletic prime, we probably never saw all he could do, dunkwise.
I'm also not doubting Vince's abilities. The guy is (or was) a real life videogame character, with insane hops. It's clear that he has no trouble doing the things he does, but it also appears that he's pushing the absolute limits of his capabilities. Jordan on the other hand, looked like he wasn't even partially exerting himself. He could of jumped higher, but the rim was only 10 feet high so why bother.
I second the dunk videos idea. Maybe Loki can dig into his archives and put together a short video of MJ's best slams. Probably to much to ask though.
Fifty said:Or the glory day talk of anyone :lol I can't wait for this year's season to begin.
Only two teams in the West have no shot at the playoffs, and this is No. 1 on that list. The return of Nick Collison will help, but it was another way-too-quiet summer in Seattle.
DMczaf said:WTF? When did T-Mac...become a small forwards? :lol
Ninja Scooter said:when it became painfully obvious he was inferior to Kobe Bryant. Gotta fit him in SOMEWHERE.
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Kobe is the best damn shooting guard in the Prison Interstate League!
Ninja Scooter said:Kobe's free bitch! SPREAD THE NEWS!
Loki said:TMac has always been listed (or regarded) as a small forward. Where have you guys been? Yes, Kobe's a better all-around player, but to say that they're classifying him as a SF now just to "fit him in" is mistaken. He's a full 6'8", for crissakes.
PG: 6'-6'4"
SG: 6'5"-6'7"
SF: 6'7"-6'9"
PF: 6'9" (bulky) -- 7'
C: 6'11"-7'5"+
There ya go.![]()
Loki said:TMac has always been listed (or regarded) as a small forward. Where have you guys been? Yes, Kobe's a better all-around player, but to say that they're classifying him as a SF now just to "fit him in" is mistaken. He's a full 6'8", for crissakes.
PG: 6'-6'4"
SG: 6'5"-6'7"
SF: 6'7"-6'9"
PF: 6'9" (bulky) -- 7'
C: 6'11"-7'5"+
There ya go.![]()
KE04 said:and another thing, *guard* denotes DEFENSE. WHEN HAS TMAC EVER PLAYED A LICK OF DEFENSE IN HIS YEARS IN THE NBA????
DMczaf said:Seriously though, did T-Mac kill your grandma or something? I don't like Kobe but I'm not nearly as negative towards him then you are of T-Mac. There has to be a back story here.
DMczaf said:He's 6'8 but he's been the starting SG for the Magic for 4 years now, and soon to be the Rockets starting SG.
the attention he receives for not accomplishing ONE GOD DAMN THING TEAM RELATED in his career is simply astonishing to me. his character, as i've out outlined in previous posts, really fucking irks me.
frankly, he's a loser.
KE04 said:and another thing, *guard* denotes DEFENSE. WHEN HAS TMAC EVER PLAYED A LICK OF DEFENSE IN HIS YEARS IN THE NBA????
DMczaf said:I know what you are saying, but T-Mac is a freak :lol
6'8 Shooting Guard
So he did kill your grandma? Damn, that's fucked up.
KE04 said:can you fucking read? jesus christ. i've explained why i don't like him, and no, it doesn't involve him killing my grandmother.
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Shinobi said:I completely disagree about VC trying...half the time he doesn't seem to be trying at all. Again, Kobe looks like he can barely do a 360 dunk most times, while I've seen Vince do effortless 360's in warmup after a mere jog to the rim. The only thing he exerts from his dunks is power...he's one of the most powerful dunkers I've ever seen, right up there with 'Nique. Vince is also the cleanest dunker I've ever seen...most of the time that ball goes through the hoop straight down to the floor, while other guy's dunks get caught up in the net or whatever. His total package is simply art.
We'll seriously have to sort something out for a video trade-a-thon...might be something we can do during NBA's opening week. I know DM's got a few vids from Jordan and Pippen.
:lol
FixedMatrix said:![]()
Defensive wins championships....wait in both of their cases it doesnt.
Matrix said:![]()
Defensive wins championships....wait in his case it doesnt.