I really hope this is enough for people to be in their seats by 7 PM. All those empty seats at the start of Game 2 was so embarrassing, like holy fuck.
it says $1 nachos and stuff
but then they only list like 5 sections that get access to it?
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it says $1 nachos and stuff
but then they only list like 5 sections that get access to it?
LyleLanley
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LeBron is better than Jordan.
DeAndre is still pretty good though.
LyleLanley
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True.
I think the important thing is they opened the doors 30 mintutes early and trying to get people to bring their $1 bills as quickly as possible.
Vault Dweller 111
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As long as we've reached a consensus #1 and 2 but the end of his career then I'm satisfied. Having to argue "Is he top 10?" Is awful.
And not sure how the "Kobe is better" thing exists, but it is very stupid.
And not sure how the "Kobe is better" thing exists, but it is very stupid.
Officiating was fine last year
Bad call from Referee Adam Silver though
perfectchaos007
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People who aren't in those sections have to walk to one of the listed sections to get the deal. The horror!
Is the WWE pretty big in New Zealand? Steven Adams did a classic choker hold on Harden last game.
friskykillface
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Refs were good last finals
Warriors just fucking choked
No one told Steph a behind the back pass was necessary in game 7
Warriors just fucking choked
No one told Steph a behind the back pass was necessary in game 7
Lionel Richie
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That's irrelevant. Jordan is a demigod with an untainted record and a perfect narrative going on. Him actually being good is a bonus to the legend around him. Lebron is an uncannily great player that has a losing record in the Finals.
And for that matter, Manning was better than Brady.
He better not so much as dribble between his legs this Finals
Vault Dweller 111
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Also once again LeBron losing in the finals is worse than Jordan not making the finals at all. I'll never understand that.
Lionel Richie
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The East sucks ass in the Lebron Age. Not that hard to understand. And Manning was better than Brady, any reasoning otherwise usually starts with one choking the playoffs and the other being great in it. Why wouldn't the same principle apply to Lebron?
they can't understand the concept of becoming bored/not trying during the regular season and then turning it on come playoff time. lebron has become the master of it.
the press act like second half of the season cavs was actually representative of how they'd play in the playoffs. fucking lol.
Vault Dweller 111
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You would compare LeBron playoffs to Manning playoffs? That seems very unfair.
And it's really not comparable, we got to see Manning vs Brady. LeBron v Jordan will always be imagination.
And if he was 3-0 instead of 3-4 people would respect it more. The east being weak wouldn't matter. Better to lose to the Bad Boys before the finals, than carry a complete shit roster to the finals and get swept by the Spurs.
Also, I'm not even saying LeBron>Jordan.
If they weren't taking it as seriously as you are implying then why was LeBron playing 40+ minutes every game? The Cav's actions don't match that narrative.
Lionel Richie
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Manning was pretty okay in the playoffs, his teams lost a lot and sometimes he was to blame but he was not this black hole of awfulness that the narrative about him goes. My point wasn't so much about a direct comparison between Manning and Brady, but more to say that who was better is irrelevant. Brady had a much better career narrative about him, he's stuff of legends. Same with Jordan. Manning and Lebron will have to settle for best of the rest status (and even that is a big maybe considering competition they have from guys like Montana and Wilt), which is not too bad. Our sports memory is not perfect and is based on irrational gravitational pull towards the myth of that player. Lebron will never be Jordan in that regard. 20 years from now you will still have random people in Liechtenstein talking "hey Michael Jordan was pretty good", Lebron doesn't have the same thing going on about him.
If he was 3-0, yeah, maybe people would respect it more and maybe that is unfair. Life is unfair though and he's not 3-0. He's 3-4. He's not Jordan. He wouldn't be even if he was 3-0.
I dunno, he gets a lot of respect for going to 6 straight Finals
Personally I am a believer in the eye test. There are way too many variables between roster updates, team chemistry, roster updates of other teams, conference position, coaching staff, rules changes, culture changes, blah, blah, blah. I'd rather just watch both players play and see who looks better to me.
Yes it is. What is LeBron chasing? Do you really think he's specifically going for 6 rings? Because even if he gets there it won't put him past Jordan. 7 rings? 8? Even then people will still say Jordan's two three-peats are more impressive.
Cornbread78
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Look l love the legend narrative. I was too young to really remember MJ. The legend narrative is all I have. And it's basically perfect.
Did his thing at NC
Got his partner in crime and owned the league
Left at the height of his powers
Came back and owned the league again
Never lost on the biggest stage
To some people the legend narrative makes him untouchable. I have no problem with that. If he hadn't come back to the Wizards it's basically a perfect story.
LeBron has a much more typical Bird, Magic, Etc. type narrative. With high, lows, people questioning him, rising to the top. Coming back home, etc. it's good, but it's not MJ.
But just talking basketball. I think there is a legitimate argument that LeBron James is better at basketball than Michael Jordan. In an all time draft to start a team isn't LeBron the better pick?
Did his thing at NC
Got his partner in crime and owned the league
Left at the height of his powers
Came back and owned the league again
Never lost on the biggest stage
To some people the legend narrative makes him untouchable. I have no problem with that. If he hadn't come back to the Wizards it's basically a perfect story.
LeBron has a much more typical Bird, Magic, Etc. type narrative. With high, lows, people questioning him, rising to the top. Coming back home, etc. it's good, but it's not MJ.
But just talking basketball. I think there is a legitimate argument that LeBron James is better at basketball than Michael Jordan. In an all time draft to start a team isn't LeBron the better pick?
LegendofDragoonLives
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We don't need to discuss Lebron getting 7 or 8 rings because that's never happening. I doubt he gets to 5 tbh, #4 is coming in the next 3 seasons (including this one).
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Is this a make or break series for John Wall and his legacy? If the Wizards loose to the Hawks how damaging is it to his legacy if he can't even get out the first round?
Next season: "LeBron James joins the Warriors on his quest to win rings"
No way
Lionel Richie
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Just talking performance yes, I think that he would probably be. If we were just talking statistics and how a player dominated a league, Lebron is firmly in the conversation for going first overall over Jordan and Wilt. Put Magic and Kareem there and that's pretty likely the top 5 on pure basketball ability.
I'd go Wilt, Lebron, Jordan, Kareem and Magic.
Replacing Kerr as head coach. The ultimate quest....coast....quost?
Nope. I've seen many hours of both playing. It is true that Lebron has some skills MJ didn't have but when it comes to taking over a game and a will to win, MJ is in a league all his own. He had a huge mental edge over his opponets and sometimes it felt like the games were over before they started. Lebron is big and many times just bullys his way into the lane for points. His passing is otherworldy but when Jordan got his fadeway going (which happened often and frequently on the biggest stages) he became a mythical BB god.
-tetsuo-
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Can we talk about this Dion Waiters Players Tribune article?
Jesus
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/dion-waiters-miami-heat-nba-is-lucky/
Jesus
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/dion-waiters-miami-heat-nba-is-lucky/
Everyone saying nope is insane
I would draft Bron over MJ
He elevates his teammates so much more
darkwing-buck
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MJ was literally a psychopath on court.
In terms of mental toughness, I don't think anyone was better.
In terms of mental toughness, I don't think anyone was better.
eh
Pretty sure if people saw Wilt play they'd be picking him
in team Basketball? I will pick LeBron no question 100% of the time
I don't doubt this at all
But that doesn't play a large role in building a team
Lebron's size and durability give him a slight edge over Jordan. Granted, I missed Jordan in the 80s, but I watched the rest of his career (and all of Lebron's) and I'm just blown away by James' physicality. He's inhuman. And his championship last year topped anything Jordan accomplished.
Would have been great to see them go head-to-head. I doubt Jordan would guard LeBron, though.
Would have been great to see them go head-to-head. I doubt Jordan would guard LeBron, though.
panthapanda
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ITT, LeBron is good at basketball.
perfectchaos007
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Lebron vs golden state finals is guaranteed. Everyone thinks golden state will win. Not me. I actually learned from my mistakes last year unlike everyone else
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saw Jordan at the end of career (and Space Jam) and the Wizard days
Seen games on Youtube too, his ability to never crack under pressure was insane
but building a team I'd still go with LBJ, that's all
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My point was that he elevated the shit out of his team.
Dunno about that. The last run before he retired the first time, he averaged 35ppg in the playoffs. In the finals he averaged 40 ppg, 8.5rpg and 6 assists. Averaged.
If Scottie or Mike guarded Lebron, he would have his hands full. He thought Kawhi was a nightmare? Don't forget that Mike won DPOY as well. He also avg 35ppg that year. Just saying.
You guys that never saw him play, like during a whole season or in the playoffs, just really don't know. Part of the reason he was so dominant is because, like LeBron, athletically and physically he was insane.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Sakuragi Hanamichi > Jordan & Lebron
and no one would fucking pick WIlt over either of them, unless you're looking to win regular season only
and no one would fucking pick WIlt over either of them, unless you're looking to win regular season only
LeBron: In his prime was a 6'8 255 lb. Freight Train with killer speed and athleticism. Also not an asshole to teammates except Mario Chalmers.
MJ: In his prime a 6'6 230 lb panther who was and is a fucking psycho.
You have two wonderful offensive and defensive players who have the drive to destroy their opponent.
One of them makes their teammates better, the other just pissed em off
MJ: In his prime a 6'6 230 lb panther who was and is a fucking psycho.
You have two wonderful offensive and defensive players who have the drive to destroy their opponent.
One of them makes their teammates better, the other just pissed em off
Cornbread78
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all these millennials not giving MJ the proper respect.
Wait, I bet they think Russel, Kareem and Bird are lesser players than the guys out there now as well. I bet they think today's hip-hop or rap is better than the late 80's through the 90's as well...
Wait, I bet they think Russel, Kareem and Bird are lesser players than the guys out there now as well. I bet they think today's hip-hop or rap is better than the late 80's through the 90's as well...
Yeah, his Wizard days don't shine a positive light on his legacy. Watching the 100 or so games during his two 3 peat run really gives you an appreciation for him beyond anything Youtube can do. The guy was on another level. I probably put Lebron 2 but there is a decent size gap IMO.
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