Lionel Richie
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Loved playing Ben Gordon in NBA 2K way back in the PS2 era, I don't even remember the year. He was OP as fuck, it reminded me of playing NBA Jam as a kid.
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NBA 2017 Playoffs |OT| WE DID IT
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Loved playing Ben Gordon in NBA 2K way back in the PS2 era, I don't even remember the year. He was OP as fuck, it reminded me of playing NBA Jam as a kid.
The Celtics made Robin Lopez seem like a hall of fame player. If Lopez can average 5 offensive rebounds a game, how many do you think Deandre Jordan would get? Chris Paul is also just a better basketball player than Isaiah Thomas is.
The Celtics were on there way to losing to a 41 win Bulls team before their point guard got hurt. The Clippers, who didn't have their second best player for more than half the series, lost in 7 games to a team that won 51 games. Losing in 7 to an underrated Jazz team is better than winning in 6 against the horrible atrocity that is the Chicago Bulls.
And the Celtics are not making the conference finals. Have you not watched their series against Washington? The only reason the series isn't over yet is because Mahinmi missed the first two games and Boston won the bench battle. Boston's starters have been completely outclassed by a Wizards team that isn't even better than most of the Western Conference playoff teams. And even if they get through the Wizards, making the Eastern Conference finals when you're on the opposite side of the bracket as the Cavs is easier than making the second round of the Western Conference playoffs.
Yeah, I'm totally expecting Lebron to last as long as he wants. Especially now if he can keep shooting the 3 ball like he's been doing this whole post season. He can score, he can defend, he's more agile, stronger and faster than the majority of the league even at age 32 and a billion minutes on his body, he has elite court vision, he's a good passer and he's clearly a great teammate.
Lebron is so good at so many things, while being a complete physical abnormally, that he'll never be a complete liability as long as he doesn't suffer from a career ending injury.
Gobert played 6 more minutes than Blake. 6.
Celtics will likely make it to the ECF, mainly because the bench of the Wizards is fucking abysmal.
I dunno why you're defending the Clips so hard as if they've ever done anything of note. Oh, they lost in the first or second round again after having a lead of some type. Big deal. Oh, x was hurt for the series or this game. Enough is enough, when before the season you are seen as a contender for the championship season after season and you fail, when you are seen as a candidate to make the WCF and you fail, you don't matter tbh. Clippers fucking suck and have sucked for the last...forever
The Jazz have the best backup center in the NBA in Favors so they're still a good basketball team even without Gobert. The Clippers don't have a good backup to Griffin on their roster.
They aren't beating the Wizards. With Mahinmi back their bench is at least adequate so Boston won't be able to overcome being a significantly worse starting 5.
Neither have the Celtics! They've won a single series against a terrible Bulls team. The Clippers have accomplished more than the Celtics in a much more difficult conference. I'm not saying the Clippers are amazing or anything, just that they're better than Boston, and it's not really close. [/QUOTE]
Clippers have a shitty president and coach in Doc
Celtics have a better coach and bench
Clippers have CP3 and Blake offensively, DJ defensively
Clippers aren't better than the Celtics, at all. Their lack of roster depth minus Crawford and Rivers is awful. They had to rely and fat Raymond Felton in 2017 for playoff minutes. Come on now
The Clippers have the legend Paul Pierce though
I think you're putting way too much of an emphasis on the importance of a bench in the postseason. Yes the Celtics have probably the best bench in the NBA but that helps more in the regular season than it does in the postseason. The only reason it's been a big storyline in the series against the Wizards is because Washington didn't have their 6th man (the guy they paid 64 million dollars to anchor their second unit defensively) for the first two games.
The Clippers starting 5 with a healthy Griffin would absolutely eviscerate the Celtics. Paul is better than Thomas, Griffin is significantly better than whoever the Celtics decide to play at the 4, Jordan would dominate a matchup with Horford who can't rebound. Then you have Bradley and Crowder versus Redick and Mbah a Moute, I'll give the slight edge to Boston there but even that is pretty even.
And Raymond Felton was actually pretty good in the series against Utah.. Shot 47% from the field, 44% from 3. If Griffin was healthy, their bench would have been Felton, Crawford, Rivers and Speights. That's not great but it's passable to beat a team as lacking in talent as the Celtics.
Pacers ain't a bad team really
Wish the Heat got in the playoffs tho
Playoff Whiteside and Dragic have to be real
This is more or less the same team that let Josh Smith and Corey Brewer beat them 2 on 5
Why would I have faith that team can beat anyone with a competent coach
The last time the Clippers had a healthy roster they were one game away from the conference finals. You guys seem to be using the logic of: they've under achieved, therefore they suck.
They've won 50+ games in 4 consecutive years and won multiple playoff series in a significantly tougher conference. Saying a Pacers team that hasn't gotten out of the first round in the shitty east would beat them is what's ludicrous.
Who did the Pacers face this year in the first? Oh yeah LeBron and almost every game was competitive.
The Clippers faced Derrick Favors and George Hill and a somewhat healthy Hayward. But they lost 3 games at home? That's not acceptable. Underachieving isn't the word anymore, they are meeting expectations. Getting a 50+ win season and not doing shit in the playoffs but losing
Most NBA people would give up an open three pointer to Josh Smith all game and live with the results. He defied the odds in that one quarter.
And that Rockets team was good. They won 56 games. Losing to a team that good doesn't make you awful.
The Pistons competed with the Cavs in the first round last year. LeBron plays only as hard as he has to to get out of the first round with a sweep. Thinking because the games in that series were close, that the Pacers were anywhere near the Cavs level is foolish.
And I don't know how else to say this but the Jazz are a really good basketball team. The Jazz would be the 2nd best team if they were in the East. The Clippers probably would have beaten that team if not for Griffin's injury (they were up 2-1 in the games he played). But losing to a 50+ win team does not make you awful.
You keep making the argument that they have under achieved. I agree with that. But saying they blew a 3-1 lead to the Rockets does not help justify your argument that the Celtics are better than the Clippers.
The Warriors blew a 3-1 lead. Does that mean the Celtics are better than the Warriors?
Again, Gobert played 6 more minutes than BG and the only reason Favors has really been coming off the bench it's been because of his health.
I'm just attacking this from a pure coaching perspective now, Brad Stevens is a supremely better coach than Doc. By a country fucking mile.
In terms of players, Clips have CP3, Blake, DeAndre, Rivers, Crawford, and Redick.
Celtics have IT4, Bradley, Crowder, Horford, Smart, Brown, Green, Olynk, etc. More players who have a coach who knows how to maximize their talents.
It was inexcusable too minus one factor, they lost to the best/second best team in the league. Not the 5th or 6th best. Overall, losing a series while up 3-1 is inexcusable, but at least one team did it while facing the second best or best player ever. Not fucking Josh Smith and Corey Brewer.
To answer you, no
Pacers would beat the Celtics in a series too.
Celtics are the paperest of papet tigers. They're the biggest joke of a 1 seed since I don't even know.
um
excuse me
we are not a joke
do i need to even list our roster
no but i will anyway
PLAYOFF IT
PLAYOFF HORTFORD
PLAYOFF OLYNYK
PLAYOFF SMART
PLAYOFF BRADLEY
PLAYOFF GREEN
PLAYOFF BROWN
PLAYOFF CROWDER
PLAYOFF AMIR
PLAYOFF ROZIER
nothing can stop us in a 7 game series
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Why are the Thunder #7. Why are the Clippers #6.
It still kills them that much more on switches.
LMA has to have one 30 point game, right? It's all gravy for Rockets fans tonight really. Well, except even a bit of athleticism can score on them if they don't gameplan for it. Murray and Simmons got to the rim at will.
The reason I mentioned Favors is because the Jazz have a competent backup if Gobert doesn't play. They don't miss him as much because they can fill his minutes with a quality player. When Griffin went down, the Clippers have no reasonable backup for him. They had to play 58 year old Paul Pierce for significant minutes. So even though both teams dealt with missing a big man, it hurt the Clippers more than it did the Jazz.
Again I think you value coaching and depth more than top tier talent which is wrong IMO. LeBron would make the Finals in the East with almost anyone as his coach and even if the Cavs had a terrible bench. Talent trumps coaching and depth most of the time. The Clippers would have the best player, and three of the top 4 players in the series against the Celtics. I view coaching as more of a tie breaker than a huge deciding factor. Brad Stevens is a good coach, but he's not more valuable than having an additional all star caliber player on your roster.
You'll have to give me more than that. Do you think they're too high? Too low? If you tell me a specific team to compare them to I can give my reasons why I think they're better or worse.
LyleLanley
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I think almost everything about that tier 3 is wrong.
All teams better than the Clippers
Correct
LyleLanley
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If we're doing lists mine would be
Warriors
Cavs
Rockets
Spurs
Celtics/Wizards/Jazz
Grizzlies
Alternatively:
James Young
James Young
James Young
James Young
James Young
James Young
James Young
Playoffs James Young
Randolph Freelander
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1. Golden State
2. Cleveland
3. Arm bar.
4. San Antonio
5. Saskatchewan Spinning Nerve Hold
6. Boston
7. Arm bar
8. Houston
2. Cleveland
3. Arm bar.
4. San Antonio
5. Saskatchewan Spinning Nerve Hold
6. Boston
7. Arm bar
8. Houston
He is still at his physical prime. There's a bit of a decline, but he is still an explosive athlete.
LyleLanley
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There is no way in hell that Saskatchewan is better than the Celtics and you know it, they're even at worst. Hot takes are ruining this thread.
Randolph Freelander
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It's my list and I stand by it!
The definition of prime is "peak". He's not at the peak of his athletic ability anymore even though he's still more athletic and physical then anybody in the league outside of like Westbrook. Some of the dunks he did this year still had my jaw dropping but there's a lot more layups in his game and a lot less blow-bys off the dribble nowadays.
LyleLanley
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You're worse than Bam Bam and Hitta.
I definitely agree that he isn't at his physical peak but I feel like he's somehow more athletic this year than he's been in several seasons. His early Cavs days were his best from an athletic standpoint but this year has seemed better than even his last Miami season. I too have noticed a bunch of jaw dropping athletic plays this year that I feel have been missing from his game for a while.
Randolph Freelander
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LyleLanley
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When you're right, you're right. And you, you're always right.
Damn it Randolph, this is why I respect you despite your awful opinions.
LyleLanley
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panthapanda
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I'm not saying I expected them to win the series but all the games were down to the wire except game 3. Atlanta could've easily won that series if they didn't
have Bazemore
it doesn't really matter, they still would've been 2nd rd exits plus Millsap and Horford are basically the same player
Edit: to clarify, Horford would've been way better defending the 1-5 or 2-5 PnR than Dwight. That was basically how they scored a majority of their points. Horford also would've put more effort in transition defense. Dwight plays like he's in mud.
LegendofDragoonLives
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He's playing the best basketball of his career
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Should have won 3 if the refs would have actually called the Gortat moving screens.
Celtics fans dealing with that shit now.
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