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[bionic77]

That's an awful return for the Cavs. You are trading Kyrie and Love for basically 2 years of Eric Bledsoe and a couple of overpaid bigs you don't need.

That makes no sense.

I think Magic and LeBron should be involved in this trade because Magic is the greatest and LeBron owns most of Cleveland anyways.

A fair trade would probably be Kyrie and the Cavs first round pick in the 2018 draft for Deng and Metta. I am told that GM LeBron approves of this move. Its gets him a grizzled veteran and a champion, both who can play defense, in exchange for a bitch ass bitch traitor and some shitty lottery pick that won't be worth anything because LeBron definitely is not leaving the Cavs after next season.

 

[Bread]

2 years of Boogie Cousins was worth Tyreeke Evans + Buddy Heild + 1 pick.

Thats close to the going rate. Cavs could ask for Delly back but they just signed Rose so why bother just save that money.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills...

I want you to think real hard how little has been given up in trades for these All-Stars/All-NBA players and tell me that the Bucks trade idea is not possible

The Bucks trade idea is not only impossible, it's idiotic.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

2 years of Boogie Cousins was worth Tyreeke Evans + Buddy Heild + 1 pick.

Thats close to the going rate. Cavs could ask for Delly back but they just signed Rose so why bother just save that money.

Buddy Hield was a lottery pick who the Kings were high on. The other 1 pick they got was also in the lottery (only top 3 protected IIRC). If the Bucks get Kyrie, any picks of theirs are going to be in the 20s.

 

[TTG]

Plausible return would be

Cavs get Bledsoe, TJ Warren, Tyson Chandler and Greg Monroe + lots of picks
Bucks get Kyrie
Suns get Love and Shump

Cavs do it because they fix there depth chart, get a competitive smallball lineup (Bledsoe, Smith, Warren, Lebron and Thompson) a rim protecting center who can dish out 6 fouls a game (Chandler)

Aditionally Greg Monroe's expiring contract + picks puts the Cavs into strong contention for getting Boogie Cousins at the deadline. (Monroe is a salary match without a long term commitment and New Orleans badly needs to get younger via multiple draft picks. Something the Cavs will now have in abundance)

Lebron may still leave but you potentially get a 2nd title in 3 years plus have some picks and other assets stockpiled to either stay as a mediocre playoff team or blow it up and completely rebuild.

If it's gonna be like that, GSW can send them Iggy and McCaw, they want wings right? Casspi as a topper, you don't have to give up Love either, woo woo.

 

[Boogs31]

2 years of Boogie Cousins was worth Tyreeke Evans + Buddy Heild + 1 pick.

Thats close to the going rate. Cavs could ask for Delly back but they just signed Rose so why bother just save that money.

That was 1 and a half years of Boogie. Kyrie also isn't nearly as much of a locker room concern as Boogie is. Heild is a young, promising prospect on a rookie contract, Monroe is a decent backup center that is paid like an all star. This isn't a good comparison.

 

[Tall4Life]

Someone was telling me rumblings of a Celtics trade for Kyrie? Is this true

 

[Boogs31]

Someone was telling me rumblings of a Celtics trade for Kyrie? Is this true

Rumors I've heard is the Celtics have told the Cavs to keep them in the loop. They certainly have the assets to pull off a trade. The only thing that would prevent it from happening is the idea that the two best teams in the East wouldn't want to trade with each other.

 

[LyleLanley]

I can't imagine the C's trading for Kyrie. It would probably cost them Isaiah, Brown/Tatum and a Nets or Lakers pick right?

Edit: They'd probably need to include Crowder to make the money work.

 

[darkwing-buck]

Larry Nance JR and Brook Lopez canon in the DCCU.

 

[Caddywompus]

Someone was telling me rumblings of a Celtics trade for Kyrie? Is this true

Why wouldn't they be? They have the assets to offer a rebuilding team more than anyone else and they weaken the best team in their conference.

The Cavs know if they move Kyrie without a return that keeps Lebron competitive he'll bolt and the franchise disappears into the abyss til another generational talent is born in the Land. Ainge could offer them an insane package but there's no way they take it.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Larry Nance JR and Brook Lopez canon in the DCCU.

This is the strangest development in the NBA since Gilbert Arenas and that other dude pointed guns at themselves for no reason.

 

[beat]

The Cavs know if they move Kyrie without a return that keeps Lebron competitive he'll bolt and the franchise disappears into the abyss til another generational talent is born in the Land. Ainge could offer them an insane package but there's no way they take it.

Three team trade? One team gets the picks, Celts get Kyrie, Cavs get a star from the first team?

Try watching day of game ticket prices on nbatickets.com, i have some friends that often score cheap tickets within hours of the game.

No idea how crazy the lonzomania is going to be though

I picked up cheap seats (nosebleeds) last year for the Bucks-Clippers games. (But it didn't pay off that much, in that I wanted Giannis to do unicorn things and he was mostly held in check.)

Anyways, my point is Clippers games can be pretty affordable.

 

[jdstorm]

If it's gonna be like that, GSW can send them Iggy and McCaw, they want wings right? Casspi as a topper, you don't have to give up Love either, woo woo.

Cavs don't get younger and get no future assets while strengthening their biggest threat for a championship why would they do this?

That was 1 and a half years of Boogie. Kyrie also isn't nearly as much of a locker room concern as Boogie is. Heild is a young, promising prospect on a rookie contract, Monroe is a decent backup center that is paid like an all star. This isn't a good comparison.

Boogie is a borderline top 5 guy. Kyrie is borderline top 15-20 guy in a league where most teams are set at PG. There is a difference in value.

Cleveland could get back more assets but how many would be a better fit without strengthening a rival contender.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

lmao @ SAS reporting that LeBron wants to beat Kyrie's ass.

 

[Chase17]

lmao @ SAS reporting that LeBron wants to beat Kyrie's ass.

I guess he had to step up his game after he threatened Durant himself?

 

[Caddywompus]

Three team trade? One team gets the picks, Celts get Kyrie, Cavs get a star from the first team?

What star is available to make that happen?

Maybe if MEM decides to blow it up Conley or Gasol might fit that scenario you describe.

 

[mjp2417]

Boogie is a borderline top 5 guy. Kyrie is borderline top 15-20 guy in a league where most teams are set at PG. There is a difference in value.

Boogie is not a borderline top 5 guy. He is a top 15-20 guy (like Kyrie!). But Boogie is also a locker room cancer who has never been to the playoffs, has 1 year left on his contract, and is older than Kyrie. Kyrie may be a space cadet, but he has never destroyed a locker room during the season, he has proven to be a big time performer on the biggest stage, he has two years left on his contract, and he is younger. Kyrie Irving is very simply a more valuable asset in the NBA right now than DeMarcus Cousins.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Cavs don't get younger and get no future assets while strengthening their biggest threat for a championship why would they do this?



Boogie is a borderline top 5 guy. Kyrie is borderline top 15-20 guy in a league where most teams are set at PG. There is a difference in value.

Cleveland could get back more assets but how many would be a better fit without strengthening a rival contender.

Boogie is not borderline top 5.

LeBron, KD, Westbrook, Curry, Harden, Kawhi are all clearly better than him. Nearly every team in the league would also take AD, KAT and Giannis over him as well.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Anytime you can turn Kyrie Irving into Greg Monroe, you have to do it.

 

[iavi]

Boogie is def top 10, but not 5.

 

[LyleLanley]

Anytime you can turn Kyrie Irving into Greg Monroe, you have to do it.

Monroe or middling picks but nothing both.

 

[beat]

What star is available to make that happen?

Maybe if MEM decides to blow it up Conley or Gasol might fit that scenario you describe.

I was just spitballing, I don't have any names in mind. Honestly, given what the Cavs want/need in order to keep LeBron, it may be that there's no one who'll make a suitable trade partner even in a multi team trade. They have pretty specific needs for a Kyrie replacement.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Monroe or middling picks but nothing both.

So you're telling me I might be able to get 2020 and 2022 second rounders instead?

This suddenly became a harder decision.

 

[Bread]

The only guy in a similar situation to Kyrie was Butler and I'm sure 9/10 people would take Kyrie between those two.

Butler went for a lotto pick, a starting SG, and a second year pg who could possibly turn into something. Kyrie will get more in return. None of those other stars received as big of a return because they had issues (locker room, wanted to leave after the next season). Kyrie doesn't come with that baggage. The Cavs aren't trading him for god damn Greg Monroe.

 

[LyleLanley]

But Bread other teams have made stupid trades before!

 

[mjp2417]

Boogie is def top 10, but not 5.

Boogie didn't even crack an all-NBA team (which is 15 deep) at a weak position. Like 5 Centers beat him in voting. He ain't top 10.

 

[Bread]

But Bread other teams have made stupid trades before!

Maybe I should trust the assets

 

[Boogs31]

Boogie is a borderline top 5 guy.

No.

 

[Bread]

Cousins:Borderline Top 5::Monroe:Borderline all star

 

[tmac456]

Lol @ boogie being top 5 or top 10 for that matter

 

[mjp2417]

Cousins:Borderline Top 5::Monroe:Borderline all star

LMA>Kawhi

 

[Tom Penny]

Boogie is a borderline top 5 guy.

On the Pelicans roster?

 

[Boogs31]

The only guy in a similar situation to Kyrie was Butler and I'm sure 9/10 people would take Kyrie between those two.

Butler went for a lotto pick, a starting SG, and a second year pg who could possibly turn into something. Kyrie will get more in return. None of those other stars received as big of a return because they had issues (locker room, wanted to leave after the next season). Kyrie doesn't come with that baggage. The Cavs aren't trading him for god damn Greg Monroe.

You make the Chicago trade sound good. It wasn't. Jimmy Butler is better than Kyrie Irving. But the Bulls FO is a joke. They got a guy who is recovering from an ACL surgery, a second year point guard who looked completely useless on offense as a rookie, and they SWAPPED the 16th pick for the 7th. It was a horrible trade. The Cavs should do better with a Kyrie trade, but if they do, it won't be because Kyrie has more value than Butler.

 

[darkwing-buck]

What do you guys predict the Pelicans record gonna be next year? That roster is ass beyond that frontcourt.

 

[mjp2417]

You make the Chicago trade sound good. It wasn't. Jimmy Butler is better than Kyrie Irving. But the Bulls FO is a joke. They got a guy who is recovering from an ACL surgery, a second year point guard who looked completely useless on offense as a rookie, and they SWAPPED the 16th pick for the 7th. It was a horrible trade. The Cavs should do better with a Kyrie trade, but if they do, it won't be because Kyrie has more value than Butler.

Butler has better regular season metrics than Kyrie, but he's also a few years older and has never really been a difference maker in the playoffs. I think they're close re market value, but the possibility that Kyrie can still improve and the knowledge that he can explode even against the highest competition possible means he probably commands more value on an open market.

 

[jdstorm]

Boogie was averaging close to 28/11/5 while shooting over 35% from 3 in Sacramento last season. Dude was legit.

Realistically your top 10ish NBA players right now in no specific order are Westbrook Harden Kawhi Durant Boogie Curry Wall Lebron Davis Giannis and Gobert

Pels record will still be bad, they have huge questions at guard/wing and the west is insane.

 

[ViciousDS]

Rose to join Cavs........this is what I wanted as a fan in 2011 in Chicago when it was between us and Miami



Now Cavs get a broken Rose on a really overall not so hot team with Lebron.


If they somehow land melo this is going to be the greatest disaster I ever get to watch unfold in a sports team.

 

[CD'S BAR]

What do you guys predict the Pelicans record gonna be next year? That roster is ass beyond that frontcourt.

8 seed come playoffs. rondo cousins renaissance.ayyy

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Boogie was averaging close to 28/11/5 while shooting over 35% from 3 in Sacramento last season. Dude was legit.

Realistically your top 10ish NBA players right now in no specific order are Westbrook Harden Kawhi Durant Boogie Curry Wall Lebron Davis Giannis and Gobert

Pels record will still be bad, they have huge questions at guard/wing and the west is insane.

so from top 5 to top 10? Boogie is a malcontent until he proves otherwise. You can't be a franchise player in this league if you been around as long as Boogie has and have never been to the playoffs. Half the Fucking league makes the playoffs. At some point you hade to realize that the problem is Boogie. I'd take KAT over Boogie any day of the week. I'd take Wall over Boogie.

 

[Caddywompus]

I was just spitballing, I don't have any names in mind. Honestly, given what the Cavs want/need in order to keep LeBron, it may be that there's no one who'll make a suitable trade partner even in a multi team trade. They have pretty specific needs for a Kyrie replacement.

Yeah I don't envy the Cavs new GM, if you do nothing the team doesn't improve enough to keep Lebron. If you don't get enough in return you probably lose Lebron. If you get a great rebuilding package in return you lose Lebron.

Just looking at possible trade partners I don't know what they can do. Maybe if you got someone on the last year of their contract like Kemba Walker or Vucevic you could get some depth with cheap contracts

Walker, Monk, Zeller
or
Vucevic, Gordon, Payton

 

[LionPride]

SAS said LeBron wants to beat Kyrie's ass

Can someone catch that shit on film pls

 

[TTG]

SAS said LeBron wants to beat Kyrie's ass

Can someone catch that shit on film pls

 

[Dragun619]

Anyone feel like the Spurs overpaid for Pau?

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/889601791817416704

Man, I just saw this. Like I liked Pau last season especially coming off the bench but for 3y /48M? smh. I wanna know what teams would even give Pau that much.

Here's I was thinking like 3y /24M would be good, but man, watch, LMA & Danny Green opt in too next year and we won't be getting Kawhi any help anytime soon. smh

 

[jdstorm]

so from top 5 to top 10? Boogie is a malcontent until he proves otherwise. You can't be a franchise player in this league if you been around as long as Boogie has and have never been to the playoffs. Half the Fucking league makes the playoffs. At some point you hade to realize that the problem is Boogie. I'd take KAT over Boogie any day of the week. I'd take Wall over Boogie.

Anthony Davis has made the playoffs once in his career and that was only because he hit an insane buzzer beating 3 against OKC and New Orleans got the 8 seed by a game. That was in a year where Durant missed most of the season.

Its harder to make the playoffs by yourself as a star big then it is as a star guard, and in the West its almsot impossible even if you have both. Anecdotally dismissing Boogie's contributions because he has been with bad organisations is dumb.

 

[Caddywompus]

Really if NOP highest paid player wasn't a PG, swapping Cousins and Kyrie would be interesting. I guess it could still happen I'm sure we'll see plenty of Holiday/Rondo backcourts till one of them goes down.

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

Boogie top 10 😂😂😂😂

 

[LionPride]

Boogie was averaging close to 28/11/5 while shooting over 35% from 3 in Sacramento last season. Dude was legit.

Realistically your top 10ish NBA players right now in no specific order are Westbrook Harden Kawhi Durant Boogie Curry Wall Lebron Davis Giannis and Gobert

Pels record will still be bad, they have huge questions at guard/wing and the west is insane.

Hmmm

LeBron
KD
Kawhi
Steph
Harden
Westbrook
Wall
CP3
KAT
Draymond
PG13
AD
Giannis

That's 13 potential players above Boogie with the only one I'd drop being Dray

And I likely forgot some people too so...

 

[BlackNMild2k1]

Wouldn't he actually have more leverage next offseason? He'll be in his final year of the contract, so the Cavs have more urgency to get something back for him. They can dick him around now because they know he's still on contract for 2 years. No reason to rush. He'd be in much better shape to dictate where he goes next year, since the team to take him will want an extension and not have him leave for FA after a year.

I'm thinking he just wants to stick it to LeBron/Cavs and completely ruin their chance for another shot this year.

I'm extremely late to this conversation, but did anyone think that maybe Kyrie and Lebron are playing the long con, and Kyrie is trying to get to wherever Lebron is trying to go after next year, now?

As in Kyrie is trying to get to the "Spurs" now, because Lebron was trying to get there when he is free agent.

If he waits till after next season, when Lebron is already gone, he will be all the Cavs have, and they may not want to trade him. If he can get out now, and get to a situation where Lebron will join him later, he will be in a better position that the implosion that is about to be the Cavs organization.

edit: or maybe if I kept reading the news of the day, the beef is real, and Kyrie really just wants to get the fuck away from Lebron and run his own team.

 

[Dragun619]

Cousins is definitely in the top 3

Spoiler

for Centers

 

[LionPride]

Cousins is definitely in the top 3

Spoiler

for Centers

Hell my top 3 Centers is somethin like

KAT
Marc
Boogie/AD/Rudy