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NBA Offseason 2017 |OT| Only Big Ballers™ Allowed *please pay $495 to be a Big Baller

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Sanjuro

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K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
Just got out of the hospital.

Don't take a shot every time Kyrie says "be a part of something bigger than myself".
 
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Randolph Freelander

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If LaMelo's eligibility is compromised, and assuming he's actually good enough, then he'll just spend a year in the G-league and be eligible for the next draft. I doubt he goes overseas or does any sort of non-NCAA collegiate path.
 
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jmizzal

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Randolph Freelander said:
If LaMelo's eligibility is compromised, and assuming he's actually good enough, then he'll just spend a year in the G-league and be eligible for the next draft. I doubt he goes overseas or does any sort of non-NCAA collegiate path.
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sf2fanatic said:
Guys, question. Could lil Ball play at a JunCo for one year?
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Or he can just play at UCLA as a walk-on the family has enough money to pay for his tuition

The NCAA has no control over walk-ons, only scholarship athletes
 
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Ninja Scooter

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jmizzal said:
Or he can just play at UCLA as a walk-on the family has enough money to pay for his tuition

The NCAA has no control over walk-ons, only scholarship athletes
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Prettt sure this is not true, otherwise every top recruit would just be a "walk on" with a million dollar shoe deal.
 
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jmizzal

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Ninja Scooter said:
Prettt sure this is not true, otherwise every top recruit would just be a "walk on" with a million dollar shoe deal.
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What?

Most these kids are poor or middle class and cant pay for a tuition at these big schools

Only kid coming out of HS in basketball they could pull off a shoe deal that young was LeBron James, and he went right to the NBA

Steven A Smith said on First Take that Greg Antheny did just that at UNLV, he had his own business and paid most of his own way in college to not deal with the NCAA
 
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Ninja Scooter

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jmizzal said:
What?

Most these kids are poor or middle class and cant pay for a tuition at these big schools

Only kid coming out of HS they could pull that off was LeBron James, and he went right to the NBA

Steven A Smith said on First Take that Greg Antheny did just that at UNLV, he had his own business and paid most of his own way in college to not deal with the NCAA
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Are you joking? Most of the top recruits have big shoe companies knocking at their door. Granted not all of them are getting LeBron money, but what they could get could easily offset the cost of a scholarship. Nike and Adidas invest more than that in these kids at the aau level. Phil Knight wipes his ass with what tuition for a one and done player would cost.
 
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jmizzal

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Ninja Scooter said:
Are you joking? Most of the top recruits have big shoe companies knocking at their door. Granted not all of them are getting LeBron money, but what they could get could easily offset the cost of a scholarship. Nike and Adidas invest more than that in these kids at the aau level. Phil Knight wipes his ass with what tuition for a one and done player would cost.
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Thats not true at all, they have to prove themselves in college before any shoe company is gonna commit millions of dollars to these guys coming out of HS now, once they look like a top pick then the shoe deals start coming in.

Just cuz Addias, Jordan and Nike sponsor these AAU tournys does not mean they are knocking on doors to hand out shoe deals. I havent seen any hyped kid coming out of high school good enough to get a shoe deal in a while, and no shoe company is gonna pay for some kids college tuition only for him to not be that good, you gotta be kidding me.

And Phil Knight paying for kids tuition would be utterly ridiculous and conflict of interest

Plus these shoe companies has deals with these colleges and the NCAA, and wouldnt even cross that line, BBB does not have deals like that and can do that
 
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Ninja Scooter

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jmizzal said:
Thats not true at all, they have to prove themselves in college before any shoe company is gonna commit millions of dollars to these guys coming out of HS now, once they look like a top pick then the shoe deals start coming in.

Just cuz Addias, Jordan and Nike sponsor these AAU tournys does not mean they are knocking on doors to hand out shoe deals. I havent seen any hyped kid coming out of high school good enough to get a shoe deal in a while, and no shoe company is gonna pay for some kids college tuition only for him to not be that good, you gotta be kidding me.

And Phil Knight paying for kids tuition would be utterly ridiculous and conflict of interest

Plus these shoe companies has deals with these colleges and the NCAA, and wouldnt even cross that line, BBB does not have deals like that and can do that
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There are at least 4-5 freshman that, if they could, shoe companies would snatch up in a heartbeat. Last year alone, if what you are saying is true, Josh Jackson, Lonzo Ball, and Markelle Fultz all would have gotten multiyear shoe deals if it were allowed. There's a reason it isn't. Not every shoe deal is multi tens of millions of dollars. In fact, most aren't. Most of these guys sign the minute they leave college for more low key (but still lucrative) contracts.

Nothing I've found in looking online indicates that scholarship athletes have different requirements for eligibility than walk ons. That would open up some pretty big loopholes. And what I have been able to find regarding the Greg Anthony example is that he had a t shirt business, the NCAA told him he couldn't, he gave up his scholarship, and they told him that still had to divest himself of the business if he wanted to remain eligible.
 
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jmizzal

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Ninja Scooter said:
There are at least 4-5 freshman that, if they could, shoe companies would snatch up in a heartbeat. Last year alone, if what you are saying is true, Josh Jackson, Lonzo Ball, and Markelle Fultz all would have gotten multiyear shoe deals if it were allowed. There's a reason it isn't. Not every shoe deal is multi tens of millions of dollars. In fact, most aren't. Most of these guys sign the minute they leave college for more low key (but still lucrative) contracts.
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If your changing to "if it were allowed" yes maybe they would, but that totally different then what we are talking about.

But only one HS kid a shoe company would put they neck on the line for and say screw the NCAA for is LeBron James he was the most hyped prep prospect since Lue Alcindor.

But like I said you can walk on to a team and pay your way through college and the NCAA has no say about it and how you got your money.
 
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Ninja Scooter

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jmizzal said:
If your changing to "if it were allowed" yes maybe they would, but that totally different then what we are talking about.

But only one HS kid a shoe company would put they neck on the line for and say screw the NCAA for is LeBron James he was the most hyped prep prospect since Lue Alcindor.

But like I said you can walk on to a team and pay your way through college and the NCAA has no say about it and how you got your money.
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You are vastly underestimating how much shoe companies spend on these guys, even guys who haven't proven a damn thing. Most people couldn't pick Donovan Mitchell out of a lineup and yet Adidas gave him a multiyear shoe deal after the draft, completely unproven. That goes for pretty much every top 10-15 pick. You are acting like the huge $50 million LeBron shoe deals are the only ones that exist. The kind of money they give to most of these kids isn't "put their neck on the line" money, and it's more than enough to rival what one year of college tuition costs for these guys. You are also underestimating how much these companies spend on these kids from the time they are 15 or 16 as a means of getting in their good graces and getting them to sign shoe deals the minute they can. It's why Nike and UA and Adidas run all these camps. If you think shoe companies only sign "proven" guys you are sorely mistaken.

The fact remains, there is nothing to prove that being a walk on makes you exempt from NCAA eligibility rules. You are still a student athlete, and have to abide by the same rules as every student athlete.
 
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Randolph Freelander

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jmizzal said:
But like I said you can walk on to a team and pay your way through college and the NCAA has no say about it and how you got your money.
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Not remotely true. You must still maintain your amateur status, which means you can derive no income based on your particular sport. If you have a shoe deal, good luck convincing the NCAA that's not based on the game you play.

It's like Ninja said, if athletes could do it, they would be. The money is there. All you have to do is look at how top AAU programs and coaches are funded.
 
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Chase17

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NBA rookie Lonzo Ball has scored a guest-starring role on Fuller House.

EW has confirmed that the Lakers point guard will appear as himself in an episode of the Netflix sitcom's third season.

The UCLA alum, who was drafted No. 2 overall by the Lakers in June, will show up at the Tanner-Fuller household to recruit someone to join his new organization.
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Lonzo already hitting the pinnacle of media cameos.
 
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Line_HTX

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Jonathan Feigen‏ @Jonathan_Feigen 22m22 minutes ago

Can confirm Leslie Alexander reached agreement to sell Rockets to Tilman Fertitta. Sale price to break $2 billion record for an NBA sale.
 
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jmizzal

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Randolph Freelander said:
Not remotely true. You must still maintain your amateur status, which means you can derive no income based on your particular sport. If you have a shoe deal, good luck convincing the NCAA that's not based on the game you play.

It's like Ninja said, if athletes could do it, they would be. The money is there. All you have to do is look at how top AAU programs and coaches are funded.
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And like I said shoe companys have deals with the NCAA and college programs and wont cross that line anyways, so no other players would never be able to pull it off.

Now as far as amateur status goes, he could still win the case if he proves its just his dads company and his dad is making the profits not him.
 
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Randolph Freelander

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jmizzal said:
And like I said shoe companys have deals with the NCAA and college programs and wont cross that line anyways, so no other players would never be able to pull it off.

Now as far as amateur status goes, he could still win the case if he proves its just his dads company and his dad is making the profits not him.
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Dude, you're not getting it. Shoe companies would love to lock in these athletes early, they just can't, not without compromising the athletes' collegiate eligibility. LeBron James was not the first and certainly hasn't been the last big time prospect. LeBron could take endorsement money for the simple fact that he had no intention of playing in college.
 
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Ninja Scooter

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jmizzal said:
And like I said shoe companys have deals with the NCAA and college programs and wont cross that line anyways, so no other players would never be able to pull it off.

Now as far as amateur status goes, he could still win the case if he proves its just his dads company and his dad is making the profits not him.
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It's not his ownership of the company, it's that he is being used, for his athletic skills, as promotion for the company, which is a huge no-no regardless of scholarship or walk on status. That YouTube video is basically a commercial. You cannot use your athletic image for endorsements and maintain studen-athlete status. It's pretty cut and dry. The NCAA ain't dumb. They aren't gonna allow some "but it's my dads company" loopholes.

From the NCAA's own website:

College-bound and current student-athletes who want to compete at Division I and II schools need to preserve their eligibility by meeting NCAA amateurism requirements. If a college-bound student-athlete is paid for appearing in a commercial or receives an endorsement before he or she is accepted at an NCAA member school, his or her eligibility could be affected.

If the college-bound student-athlete was chosen for the commercial or other event for reasons other than athletic ability, he or she may be compensated. If the college-bound student-athlete was chosen to participate because of his or her athletic ability, he or she may not be paid. However, the prospective student-athlete may receive expenses related to the commercial event such as meals or lodging.
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Note that it says nothing about scholarship vs walk-on. So unless LaMelo wants to try and argue that the recently released YouTube commercial he was featured in selling basketball shoes was not due to his well known basketball status and abilities, he could be pretty fucked.
 
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