Total nobodies get into the HOF. Its not like its some super exclusive thing.
What nobodys got into the Hall of Fame?
Total nobodies get into the HOF. Its not like its some super exclusive thing.
He my top Center all timeSpeaking of old timers. Hakeem is my favorite non Celtic. He's 8th alltime in steals as a center lol the next closest center was the Admiral at 57th with like 600 less. Of course he's the alltime block leader to boot.
Fuck it I love Lonzo so so much now, lol
Salary no matchy.Three team trade: Knicks get Avery Bradley and non-Nets draft picks, Cavs get Melo, Boston gets Love. Who says no?
I honestly think Jackson is a 50/50 shot to maybe end up like IggyFultz is going first and there is no question about it. He has the tools to lead the league in scoring.
Lakers are the team that has the tough choice in who to take. I think Jackson has the higher upside, probably the highest in the draft. Off the court issues is what is killing him. Ball is the safer pick I just don't think his potential is on the level of Fultz and Jackson.
Three team trade: Knicks get Avery Bradley and non-Nets draft picks, Cavs get Melo, Boston gets Love. Who says no?
Cavs easily.Three team trade: Knicks get Avery Bradley and non-Nets draft picks, Cavs get Melo, Boston gets Love. Who says no?
LeBron will finally play on a super team.Sounds about right, but Scals was saying a Love / PG13 trade was already in the works
LeBron will finally play on a super team.
Salary no matchy.
Sounds about right, but Scals was saying a Love / PG13 trade was already in the works
Shhhh. All they need is more offense. Yeah, that's it.Carmelo is exactly what the Cavs don't need.
PG13 to the Cavs would suck. He's like one of the few great players in the East that relishes matchups against LeBron. I love watching them play against each other. Putting them on the same team is so blah.
Who goes to Chicago? I also want a super team.
well, welcome to your new NBA.
If Durant and Curry re-up with GS, nobody is going to bother for the next 3-5 years, so you will only see a couple "super teams" per season to try and match them...
PG: KyrieLOL, seriously...
PG: Irving
SG: PG13
SF: Bron
PF: Thompson
C: Bogut?
C'mon, you just had your super-team with that Wade, Butler, and Rondo combo tearing up the league.
How about a package of Love and TT to Pacers for PG13 and Turner
Cavs problem is that they overpaid on a worthless player in Tristan Thompson.
Adding Smart might be controversial, but that trade is pretty much fair to everyone except obviously Cleveland. But they could get stupid in this offseason and it's the right time to strike.
Damn that would be a great trade by Indiana and I can't wish bad things upon Larry Legend.
I'm just bummed about PG13 news since he was about the only obstacle in LeBron's path to the finals this year. It was a pretty fun series even if it resulted in a sweep.
PG: Kyrie
SG: JR Smith
SF: PG13
PF: Bron
C: Tristan
At least against the Warriors.
PG13 on paper sounds great but both Bosh and Love got very reduced offensive roles when they joined. How would he feel about that occurring? I think it's more likely LeBron is already setting up him and PG going to the Lakers if Clippers banana boat doesn't happen in a year.
I don't like the trade for the Cavs. I mean, George is a 2 way player and they need that, but he doesn't fix their defense and he isn't a big offensive rebound threat like Love. If they do that they will just be trying to run with the Warriors which could work because sports tend to be random, but it's not a great strategy.
They see the Warriors as the only "threat" right now, so it makes sense from that standpoint.
Nobody in the East could come even close to touching that team..
and the Celtics have a defensive backcourt of Fultz and IT, get smashed by the Wizards in the conference semi-finals.Cavs would be better off with Bradley to be a pest to Steph
Crowder
Smart
Bradley
For
Love
Fultz replaces Bradley/Smart
Crowder ain't shit , gets replaced by Hayward god
Love helps out Al, tries to replace playoff Amir
Ainge does it again
Cavs would be better off with Bradley to be a pest to Steph
Crowder
Smart
Bradley
For
Love
Fultz replaces Bradley/Smart
Crowder ain't shit , gets replaced by Hayward god
Love helps out Al, tries to replace playoff Amir
Ainge does it again
Tier 1 (Potential superstars)
Lonzo Ball, PG, UCLA
Markelle Fultz, PG, Washington
Last draft we had just one player in this category: Ben Simmons. The year before that, Karl-Anthony Towns was the only player here.
This category is usually reserved for guys who are surefire All-Stars or franchise players. Only six other players since we started this column in 2009 -- Blake Griffin, John Wall, Anthony Davis, Andrew Wiggins, Joel Embiid and Jabari Parker -- have been ranked in this slot.
Fultz was unanimously nominated for tier 1 by the NBA scouts and executives I polled for this piece. Ball was more polarizing for sure, but he still got a majority of the votes for tier 1.
Three other players -- Josh Jackson, De'Aaron Fox and Jayson Tatum -- received votes for tier 1.
Tier 2 (All-Star potential)
De'Aaron Fox, PG, Fr., Kentucky
Jonathan Isaac, F, Fr., Florida State
Josh Jackson, G/F, Fr., Kansas
Lauri Markkanen, PF, Fr., Arizona
Malik Monk, G, Fr., Kentucky
Frank Ntilikina, PG, France
Dennis Smith, PG, Fr., North Carolina State
Jayson Tatum, F, Fr., Duke
This is the largest tier 2 we've ever had. This tier is reserved for players with All-Star potential. However, each player in tier 2 has a weakness that some teams believe will keep him from being a superstar.
In Fox and Jackson's case, it's the lack of a consistent jumper. Isaac needs to add strength and find a position. Markkanen and Monk are too one-dimensional right now. Smith and Tatum might be too selfish with the ball. Ntilikina isn't an elite athlete.
Fox, Jackson and Tatum all received only tier 1 and tier 2 votes. Isaac, Monk and Smith all were unanimous in tier 2. Markkanen and Ntilikina had some tier 3 votes, but the majority were tier 2. Zach Collins received a lot of votes in tier 2, but just barely missed the cut.
Having 10 players in the first two tiers is extraordinary for a draft class.
Tier 3 (NBA starters)
OG Anunoby, F, So., Indiana
Zach Collins, F/C, Fr., Gonzaga
Harry Giles, PF, Fr., Duke
Luke Kennard, G, So., Duke
Donovan Mitchell, G, So., Louisville
This is a solid tier 3, but with the exception of Zach Collins, most teams see a significant drop-off here. This tier is usually reserved for players who are projected as NBA starters in their careers.
Having 15 players in the first three tiers makes for a very strong draft. The closest we got was in 2014 when we had 12 players in the top three tiers. Of this group, Collins was the only player not to receive tier 4 votes, so the consensus breaks down at this point.
The biggest issue for scouts was ranking Anunoby and Giles. Both have had significant knee injuries. Giles is actually healed and ready to play, but teams are worried because he has had two major knee surgeries and didn't look nearly as explosive at Duke last season. Anunoby hurt his knee in January and could miss his rookie season.
Based on sheer talent, virtually every scout and front office executive had Giles as either a tier 1 or tier 2 prospect. And all but one had Anunoby as a tier 2 guy. If they get healthy, they're steals in tier 3. But their previous injuries put a cloud over their draft stock.
Tier 4 (Starters, high-level rotation players)
Jarrett Allen, C, Fr., Texas
Ike Anigbogu, C, Fr., UCLA
John Collins, PF, So., Wake Forest
Justin Patton, C, Fr., Creighton
This is a smaller tier 4 group than usual.
Teams are really all over the place on these guys. John Collins received a lot of votes for tier 3 (and none in tier 5), but the majority of teams had these players ranked in tier 4.
All three of the others -- Allen, Anigbogu and Patton -- barely made the cut into tier 4, with just over 50 percent voting them in tier 4 and the rest in tier 5. None of them received tier 3 votes.
Tier 5 (Rotation players)
Edrice Adebayo, PF, Fr., Kentucky
Tony Bradley, C, Fr., North Carolina
Terrance Ferguson, SG, Australia
Frank Jackson, G, Fr., Duke
Justin Jackson, SF, Jr., North Carolina
TJ Leaf, PF, Fr., UCLA
Anzejs Pasecniks, C, Latvia
Ivan Rabb, PF, Fr., Cal
Caleb Swanigan, PF, So. Purdue
D.J. Wilson, PF, Jr., Michigan
This next group is a bit small for a tier 5, but it's small in part because of how big the top three tiers are. This area of the draft is typically reserved for rotation players who are unlikely to start for good teams but could become solid role players off the bench.
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In this draft, that's roughly picks Nos. 20-30. A few players in this tier received tier 4 votes. They included Jackson, Leaf and Pasecniks. And a couple of players on this list received tier 6 votes, including Rabb and Swanigan.
Tier 6 (potential first-rounders)
Jordan Bell, PF, Jr., Oregon
Jonah Bolden, SF, Australia
Thomas Bryant, F/C, So. Indiana
Jawun Evans, PG, So., Oklahoma State
Josh Hart, SG, Sr., Villanova
Isaiah Hartenstein, PF, Germany
Tyler Lydon, SF, So., Syracuse
Semi Ojeleye, F, Jr., SMU
Alec Peters, F, Sr., Valpariso
Monte Morris, PG, Sr., Iowa State
Devin Robinson, SF, Jr., Florida
Derrick White, PG, Jr., Colorao
This tier has the players that at least one team told me they had ranked in their top 30. A few -- Bell, Evans, Hartenstein, Lydon and Ojeyle -- got tier 5 votes. The rest are likely second-round picks.
Like every draft system, the tier system isn't perfect, but the teams that run it have found that it improves their performance. It has allowed them to get help through the draft without overreaching. Compared to traditional top-30 lists or mock drafts, it seems like a much more precise tool of gauging which players a team should draft.
Hortford bringing in the stars, Daniel did it.
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Fultz is a good players, but he's a weaker #1 then Simmons, KAT and others
Fultz is way more of a sure thing than SimmonsFultz is a good players, but he's a weaker #1 then Simmons, KAT and others
Adam silver would step in and suspend LeBron for even proposing that shit.
I'd say he has a higher floor than Simmons but a lower ceiling. I like KAT a lot but I have mixed feelings about "others".
I'd say he has a higher floor than Simmons but a lower ceiling. I like KAT a lot but I have mixed feelings about "others".
Fultz is way more of a sure thing than Simmons
Most definately, but nothing in Fultz game wows me like a few of Simmons skills.
Nothing in Fultz's skill set scares me as much as Simmons lack of a shot.
So if the draft was held today, you would take Fultz over Simmons (of course not knowing about the post draft injury)