RPGCrazied
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NBC News: U.S. May Launch Strike If North Korea Reaches For Nuclear Trigger
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ThatStupidLion
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at least destabilizing NK wouldnt produce anything as bad as the abomination in the middle east
not that military action is teh way to go about this.
not that military action is teh way to go about this.
Depends on how you handle the situation. Allowing Korea to unify would cause an economic depression for them for a couple of decades while they try and prop up the North. I'm not sure how China absorbing part of North Korea would affect anything, though.
BreezyLimbo
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Trying to unify S and N is bad.
Not just because of the economic depression, but because both ideologies wont mix at all. And you'll have two groups trying to constantly wrest power from the other.
It just wont happen, and its not just because of economic issues.
I maintain China needs to do a Covert Op to quiet things down and make sure we don't find out for a decade or so.
ebullientprism
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Yeah the US may. Trump has figured that the one thing that makes Americans look favorably upon him is successfully bombings of "enemy" nations.
Lots of places are gonna get democracy the first excuse he can get.
Lots of places are gonna get democracy the first excuse he can get.
Fenderputty
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The NK humanitarian crisis from a collapse would make Syria loook like kindergarten
Also, if it comes down to military intervention, I have a feeling that China will stand back let the US take care of it. That way they keep their hands clean, don't have to spend money, and the US' international reputation will go down to their benefit.
Forgotten_Taco
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That's pretty optimistic in my opinion. In a best case scenario you are still likely to have US, Chinese, and probably Russian forces on the ground attempting to secure nuclear materials. The North, as a whole, is a rural backwoods. It will take decades of time and piles of cash to bring North Korea into line with South Korea, and you're looking at massive social upheaval in the process.
ThatStupidLion
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not saying itd be easy. not saying it wouldnt take time. but it's a lot better than the vacuum of shit going on in a region. plus I imagine the amount of humanitarian support and aid from countries would be more than what the mideast is seeing. you dont have dozens of cultures, religions, and ideologies violently conflicting just to live cohesively.
the middle east is more than just the Syrian regime. no way would a collapse of NK be as bad. maybe the amount of people displaced, but the humanitarian effort would be much more supportive
Seriously? Have you ever seen how fanatic they are? It is nothing like China. These people get raised from cradle to grave with the Kims as god! And those that don't buy it get send to concentration camps for a few GENERATIONS! YES, generations, you read that right. So I hardly demonize. Furthermore I don't want Trumpaloompa to start a war with it, I want Trumpaloompa to back down, and allow china to handle it and slowly change the culture of personal worship surrounding the Kims. If you do it by force you'll have a shit storm on your hands.
And that isn't demonisation, I really feel bad for the poor people in North Korean, I just don't think that bombing them to hell is the solution!
CyclopsRock
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Also China's never actually made a high profile military intervention before - it would be something of an "awakening" and would be very hotly analysed. How capable are they? Did they fuck anything up? Have we learnt anything about their weapons systems etc? These are all questions that are, for the most part, not relevant to the US.
DrROBschiz
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isnt North Korean already in a state of humanitarian crisis?
There are more Kims you know, the family is quite extended. They'll just find another, or they'll lie and say it is another. The military brass fares well by keeping the God Cult alive. If you want to get rid of it, you'll need the help of China to change the culture of the average North Korean so they stand up against the Kims and the military. Because if they do so now they go into concentration camps for generations.
DrROBschiz
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china seems content to murder refugees that try to cross at the moment
Chinas attitude to human life needs to change as well
Of course we need a joint effort in this, but for the most part patience. The mindsets of the North Korean needs to change, otherwise the Military will keep in power and finding more "Kims" to replace the old one.
Herr Schwarz
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I just hope strategy involves "what do we do after we blow things up".
Because you gonna need billions and billions to rebuild south Korea if things go bad and NK shells Seoul.
Then you'd need billions to police, contain and feed north korean civilians.
Because ultimately there's going tobe pictures of corpse piles, and refugees piling up and dying against a fence preventing them from being someone elses problem.
Think of that dead kid refugee face down dead in the sand, then times that by a 100.
I don't think we're gonna invade North Korea it would be an absolute disaster.
Because you gonna need billions and billions to rebuild south Korea if things go bad and NK shells Seoul.
Then you'd need billions to police, contain and feed north korean civilians.
Because ultimately there's going tobe pictures of corpse piles, and refugees piling up and dying against a fence preventing them from being someone elses problem.
Think of that dead kid refugee face down dead in the sand, then times that by a 100.
I don't think we're gonna invade North Korea it would be an absolute disaster.
legacyzero
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I know you're being funny, but I agree with the concept.
Covert strike with China's blessing
WordAssassin
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I know this is a stupid question and I'm embarrassed to ask it, but do people like that, or events like that, ever actually occur in real life? Are there James Bonds and Chuck Norrises doing top secret spy shit that we never hear of or is it 100% pure fiction?
2Smashed4U
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I mean not typically one man armies like that, there's usually some amount of coordination, and assassinating the leader of North Korea would probably be the highest profile example ever.
But to some degree yeah absolutely
Regulus Tera
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The United States can't agree on how to take care of its citizens health, there's no way it would be able to provide anything similar to the Marshall Plan for a hypothetical post-regime Korean Peninsula. Politics has become too partisan.
I can't fathom any good coming from the chaos left behind after his assassination.
Regulus Tera
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My assumption has always been that the US has tried to get the Kims assassinated at one point or another but failed miserably, just like they tried with Castro.
evil solrac v3.0
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we need the guys from Crysis.
iRAWRasaurus
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Don't worry I am sure all the trigger happy us troops are actually call of duty troops! We be all up in that bitch no scoping getting headshots and disarming nukes mid flight!
Bubba_Sparks
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Seems like tensions might be starting to cool. If Trump is at Mar-a-Lago and Pence is visiting South Korea I cannot imagine they anticipate striking North Korea's nuclear facilities. It will be interesting to see if the North goes ahead with the test, or maybe the amount of saber rattling makes them hesitant in the short term. Especially in light of the Trump administrations attack against Syria for the use of chemical weapons.
Pandora012
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Well this is the same guy that approved a bomb strike while eating some really good chocolate cake. Also, wasn't spec ops raid done while at dinner?
baxter2231
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Glad i live on the east coast i dont think they can hit this far away.
For the 357964686th time in this thread, NK can't hit America at all.
They just launch em in the other direction.
Dixon's Jet
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Yeah they can. They can do it with a submarine.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Serious question: Why is the Capital of South Korea still Seoul? I know it's been their capital for hundreds of years but it's in a terrible strategic spot. After the Korea War ceasefire they could have moved it to Busan and the seat of their government wouldn't be in danger of being flattened by North Korea at any given moment.
They don't have submarines capable of making it across the pacific, much less one that can fire a nuke.
off duty ninja
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Are you privy to some inside information or are you just taking the word of our intelligence community at face value?
Just because nobody believes they have the ability to strike us doesn't mean that is true.
I suspect that China, the Soviets and the US know where NK's submarines are almost all the time. I also highly doubt that a NK submarine could position itself near East Coast of the US. Maybe in 20 years if things continue as they are going, but not now.
Dixon's Jet
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You're probably right. And this story suggests that the USA is already wise to it. http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/11/politics/u-s-says-north-korean-submarine-missing/index.html
Hellsing321
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We could literally be at DEFCON 1 and Trump would still go to Florida to golf.
I mean they might be able to nuke like the Aleutian Islands in Alaska, but they don't have the range for the West coast.
EatinOlives
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Not "really good", the BEST PIECE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE YOU HAVE EVER SEEN.
SymbiantXenos
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Guys I'm not saying it's hard to read the news when our three-month President wants to go to war for no reason with a nuclear power to distract everyone from the fact that he colluded with Russia to get elected because they have a pee video of him, but I am saying that I'm happier on the weekends I don't go online.
Host Samurai
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Master Yoshi
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I feel like I'm seconds away from global catastrophe every day this week. What's the most likely timeframe to expect the shit to hit the fan?
Xyrmellon
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Actually with Pence there it seems like the perfect time for the test. It would be symbolic and the U.S. would at least give a strike a second thought. Not that I think Trump really cares, but the military would be putting the vp's life in direct danger if an all out shooting war breaks out.
8:30pm-11:30pm EST is when they've done tests in the past
So...a few hours.
EDIT: If China pulls their support for taking NK's oil, that'll be a sign for Trump to start bombing NK. At least from what I've gathered.
fierrotlepou
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Guys, I know this gets shot down really fast here (OMG STOP SAYING WO III IS GONNA HAPPEN BLABLABLA), but there's shitloads of tension in the world right now. I mean, noticeably more than the previous years.
Is it me or would it be naive to think WO III ISN'T about to start? The brexit wasn't going to happen, Trump wasn't going to be elected. These two things have happened, even when the majority of the world predicted something else.
Is it me or would it be naive to think WO III ISN'T about to start? The brexit wasn't going to happen, Trump wasn't going to be elected. These two things have happened, even when the majority of the world predicted something else.
streetsahead123
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Because WW III would literally kill us all and everybody knows it
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