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NCAA Final Four...Welcome to St. Louis!!

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This year's tournament has not dissappointed in terms of excitement. Time and time again I have stated that the NCAA tournament is better than any professional playoff series IMHO. :)


That being said....


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Shall I roll out the predictions? Sure why not. Let's add scores for fun. :)

(1) Illinois 84 vs. (4) Louisville 75

(1) North Carolina 71 vs. (5) Michigan State 63


I think the game is up for Louisville, they've had a great run, but I don't think Illinois is gonna need any miracle comebacks here. It'll be close, but it won't be the nail-biter many people think it'll be. The same situation goes for the UNC game, it'll be a game, but buzzer-beaters and OT's are going to be absent from the Final Four.


Illinois vs. UNC, where the true #1 will remain standing.
 
I thought this was going to be the Big Ten Invitational thread...

Either way... congrats again to Izzo. 4th Final Four in 7 years.



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Teal'c

Member
Sticking with my bracket...
Louisville over Illinois
and UNC over MSU

Louisville and UNC being the only teams left I got right.
I'm hoping for high-scoring marathons.

oh and scores?
UNC 90
MSU 80

Louisville 80
Illinois 77
 
Illinois 78 - Louisville 70
MSU 82 - UNC 72

Anyone else gonna be there? I'm hoping to fly into STL sometime Friday night and pick up a ticket from a fan who's team lost in game 1.
 

Hollywood

Banned
No one's picking us (Louisville), and thats how we like it. After what we overcame Saturday, I don't see anyone taking us out. WVU played the best game in their school's history and still couldnt beat us. 18 three's and a 20 point deficit couldn't take us down.

Louisville 77 Illinois 68
MSU 80 UNC 75
 
Hollywood said:
No one's picking us (Louisville), and thats how we like it. After what we overcame Saturday, I don't see anyone taking us out. WVU played the best game in their school's history and still couldnt beat us. 18 three's and a 20 point deficit couldn't take us down.

Louisville 77 Illinois 68
MSU 80 UNC 75

I had Louisville in my Final Four, so they're right where I had them. Nothing but respect for those guys, but they just hit the one team that's got their number IMO. I would even pick them over UNC (definitely MSU). We'll see.

Illinois is suffering from a lack of respect too, though that's not on display in this thread. It's funny seeing announcers/commentators/analysts jumping Illini's cock now, but it sure as hell hasn't been that way all season. They are the least respected one-loss team in the history of one-loss teams. The fuckers just know how to win, and after Saturday, I sure will not doubt them again. Ever.
 

Hollywood

Banned
Sal Paradise Jr said:
I had Louisville in my Final Four, so they're right where I had them. Nothing but respect for those guys, but they just hit the one team that's got their number IMO. I would even pick them over UNC (definitely MSU). We'll see.

Illinois is suffering from a lack of respect too, though that's not on display in this thread. It's funny seeing announcers/commentators/analysts jumping Illini's cock now, but it sure as hell hasn't been that way all season. They are the least respected one-loss team in the history of one-loss teams. The fuckers just know how to win, and after Saturday, I sure will not doubt them again. Ever.

It's hard to play the Rodney Dangerfield card when you are the #1 team in the nation, and the #1 team of all 1 seeds. As opposed to say, being ranked #4 in the nation and getting a 4 seed ... the lowest seed ever for a top 5 team in NCAA history. And then having Clark Kellogg picking La Layfayette against us first round, everyone picknig GT against us 2nd round. Getting picked against Washington in the sweet 16, and then WVU having the game of their history and them counting us out at halftime of that one. If anyone is getting disrespected, its us ... most of the nation is picking Illinois over UL (go look at the ESPN poll) and most picked them to win it all. I don't see how you can call disrespect on this.
 

NLB2

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Hollywood said:
After what we overcame Saturday, I don't see anyone taking us out.
If come from behind wins in the Elite Eight = Winning the championship, then Louisville's fucked when they play Illinois.
Luckily for you, come from behind wins in the Elite Eight != Winning the championship. Unluckily, Louisville's gonna lose anyway.

Edit: Fun Fact of the Day - Louisville only beat DePaul by four. :lol :lol :lol
 

Brian Fellows

Pete Carroll Owns Me
The one thing I have learned from listening to Fox Sports Radio the last few months is that nobody and I mean NOBODY is getting the respect they deserve. :D
 
Hollywood said:
It's hard to play the Rodney Dangerfield card when you are the #1 team in the nation, and the #1 team of all 1 seeds. As opposed to say, being ranked #4 in the nation and getting a 4 seed ... the lowest seed ever for a top 5 team in NCAA history. And then having Clark Kellogg picking La Layfayette against us first round, everyone picknig GT against us 2nd round. Getting picked against Washington in the sweet 16, and then WVU having the game of their history and them counting us out at halftime of that one. If anyone is getting disrespected, its us ... most of the nation is picking Illinois over UL (go look at the ESPN poll) and most picked them to win it all. I don't see how you can call disrespect on this.

I never said Louisville wasn't the most disrepected team in the country. I simply stated that Illinois until NOW, was getting a lack of respect. Especially back when they suffered their one and only loss. No pissing contest is needed about which team is most looked down on, Louisville's got that.
 

Hollywood

Banned
NLB2 said:
If come from behind wins in the Elite Eight = Winning the championship, then Louisville's fucked when they play Illinois.
Luckily for you, come from behind wins in the Elite Eight != Winning the championship. Unluckily, Louisville's gonna lose anyway.

Edit: Fun Fact of the Day - Louisville only beat DePaul by four. :lol :lol :lol

WTF? DePaul was on the bubble most of the year. At least all the teams UL lost to made some sort of postseason tourney (2 NCAA's, 2 NIT).

Illinois lost to Ohio St, who didn't make either
UNC lost to Santa Clara, who didn't make either
MSU lost to Indiana, who barely made NIT

So what? We can play the 'what happened in regular season' game all day but it doesn't amount to much.
 
Hollywood said:
It's hard to play the Rodney Dangerfield card when you are the #1 team in the nation, and the #1 team of all 1 seeds. As opposed to say, being ranked #4 in the nation and getting a 4 seed ... the lowest seed ever for a top 5 team in NCAA history. And then having Clark Kellogg picking La Layfayette against us first round, everyone picknig GT against us 2nd round. Getting picked against Washington in the sweet 16, and then WVU having the game of their history and them counting us out at halftime of that one. If anyone is getting disrespected, its us ... most of the nation is picking Illinois over UL (go look at the ESPN poll) and most picked them to win it all. I don't see how you can call disrespect on this.

Fine! You guys both suck... happy now?
 

Nerevar

they call me "Man Gravy".
Sal Paradise Jr said:
Illinois is suffering from a lack of respect too, though that's not on display in this thread. It's funny seeing announcers/commentators/analysts jumping Illini's cock now, but it sure as hell hasn't been that way all season. They are the least respected one-loss team in the history of one-loss teams. The fuckers just know how to win, and after Saturday, I sure will not doubt them again. Ever.


Are you kidding? Pretty much everyone was picking either UNC or Illinois. Compare this to Stanford or St. Joe's last year - there's no contest. You're out of your fucking mind if you actually believe this.
 

Bowser

Member
Hollywood said:
WTF? DePaul was on the bubble most of the year. At least all the teams UL lost to made some sort of postseason tourney (2 NCAA's, 2 NIT).

Illinois lost to Ohio St, who didn't make either
UNC lost to Santa Clara, who didn't make either
MSU lost to Indiana, who barely made NIT

So what? We can play the 'what happened in regular season' game all day but it doesn't amount to much.

Actually Ohio St. was banned from post-season play; I'm sure they would've at least made NIT.
 

Cubsfan23

Banned
:lol :lol :lol and Illinois didn't need a miracle comeback? Keep thinking that since you shut down Stoudamire, you will shut down our 5 good shooters.

Louisville wins by 20
 
Hollywood said:
WTF? DePaul was on the bubble most of the year. At least all the teams UL lost to made some sort of postseason tourney (2 NCAA's, 2 NIT).

Illinois lost to Ohio St, who didn't make either
UNC lost to Santa Clara, who didn't make either
MSU lost to Indiana, who barely made NIT

So what? We can play the 'what happened in regular season' game all day but it doesn't amount to much.

Just a correction, Ohio St. would've made the NCAA's (probably replacing Iowa) if they weren't on probation.

I think it's too far into the tourney for anyone to be pulling out the strength-of-schedule card (as NLB2 did). That has merit in the first 2 rounds, but at this point, every team still alive is the real deal, and has beat up on some good teams, so why bring up the regular season?
 

NLB2

Banned
Cubsfan23 said:
:lol :lol :lol and Illinois didn't need a miracle comeback? Keep thinking that since you shut down Stoudamire, you will shut down our 5 good shooters.

Louisville wins by 20
I know, I was just criticizing the guys argument. Illinois' come back was even crazier than Louisville's, so he can't use Louisville's comeback as a reason that they will win.
 
Cubsfan23 said:
:lol :lol :lol and Illinois didn't need a miracle comeback? Keep thinking that since you shut down Stoudamire, you will shut down our 5 good shooters.

Louisville wins by 20

You're on crack if you think Louisville's going to win by 20. C-R-A-C-K.
 

Cubsfan23

Banned
NLB2 said:
I know, I was just criticizing the guys argument. Illinois' come back was even crazier than Louisville's, so he can't use Louisville's comeback as a reason that they will win.

I would say Louisville's was more impressive considering WVU was red-hot even while we were chipping away at the lead. We basically had to score on every possession in 2nd half and overtime and that's we did.
 
Cubsfan23 said:
I would say Louisville's was more impressive considering WVU was red-hot even while we were chipping away at the lead. We basically had to score on every possession in 2nd half and overtime and that's we did.


Speaking as just an observer, and not a fan, I'd def say the Louisville comeback was more impressive... Arizona screwed up, they made idiotic decsions, and that's part of the reason the Illini came back. WVU made no poor decisions foreal, Louisville just came back for the win with little help from WVU when it came to poor decisions.

I'll gladly take the underdog role tho! Fine, Illini by 50!
 

NLB2

Banned
Cubsfan23 said:
ok

as an added bonus, if louisville wins by 20, you have to send over your hot sister
Alright, and if Illinois wins by 20 send your mom over. I've never fucked a mature lady before.
 

kgHavok23

Member
JeffDowns said:
Speaking as just an observer, and not a fan, I'd def say the Louisville comeback was more impressive... Arizona screwed up, they made idiotic decsions, and that's part of the reason the Illini came back. WVU made no poor decisions foreal, Louisville just came back for the win with little help from WVU when it came to poor decisions.

I'll gladly take the underdog role tho! Fine, Illini by 50!

Illinois came back 15 points in FOUR minutes, Louisville came back from 20 down in the entire second half. I'd have to say Illinois' execution was unbelievable down the stretch, which is why I'd say it was more impressive----simply the time frame. My God, down 70-77 with 1 minute left. And its not like Arizona played like crap in those final minutes, Deron and Luther hit clutch shot after shot and simply made plays. show respect where it is deserved.
 
kgHavok23 said:
Illinois came back 15 points in FOUR minutes, Louisville came back from 20 down in the entire second half. I'd have to say Illinois' execution was unbelievable down the stretch, which is why I'd say it was more impressive----simply the time frame. My God, down 70-77 with 1 minute left. And its not like Arizona played like crap in those final minutes, Deron and Luther hit clutch shot after shot and simply made plays. show respect where it is deserved.

No respect lost, but really, WTF was going on at the end of the game. Why were all of the AZ players just standing there... they didn't even try to win the game at the end -- specifically the last play... They had plenty of time to get a decent shot off and didn't do so. That's why I say it was more AZ's doing. Illinois played a helluva game to comeback from that, but damn AZ played anything but clutch in the last few minutes. They had that game, it was there's to lose, and they certainly lost it.
 

NLB2

Banned
JeffDowns said:
No respect lost, but really, WTF was going on at the end of the game. Why were all of the AZ players just standing there... they didn't even try to win the game at the end -- specifically the last play... They had plenty of time to get a decent shot off and didn't do so. That's why I say it was more AZ's doing. Illinois played a helluva game to comeback from that, but damn AZ played anything but clutch in the last few minutes. They had that game, it was there's to lose, and they certainly lost it.
Bruce Weber mind control techniques.
 
Is anyone familiar with UNC's defense? I haven't seen them play too many times this year... but I can't figure out how the hell they let Wisconsin score 82 points on them...
 

NLB2

Banned
Mudwhistle said:
Is anyone familiar with UNC's defense? I haven't seen them play too many times this year... but I can't figure out how the hell they let Wisconsin score 82 points on them...
Well, the fact that UNC scored more than that against a team that's opponents averaged 64 points against shows you where UNC's strength lies.
 

Cubsfan23

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ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- Severe cramps choked every muscle in Taquan Dean's body in a vise-like grip. He could barely move.

But he wasn't staying off the basketball court yesterday. Not with his University of Louisville team chasing West Virginia in the Albuquerque Regional final.

The Cardinals' toughest player knew he couldn't tough this one out alone, however. So he started talking aloud to the one person who has helped him survive every one of his many setbacks.

His late mother, Felicia.

"I dedicated this game to you, Mom," Dean pleaded, pounding his body in search of relief. "Please give me the strength to get through this."

The junior guard grimaced through the pain long enough to turn in a performance Louisville fans will remember for years. He scored 23 points and made several key plays late as the Cards roared back from a 20-point deficit to a 93-85 overtime victory, earning their first final Four trip in 19 years.

There's no doubt in Dean's mind that his mother helped him do it.

"It might sound crazy," he said, "but I know she was there with me today."

Dean watched his mom die in front of him when he was 6. He had asked her to get him something, and she told him to wait a minute before closing her eyes. She never opened them again.

By thinking of her, he has persevered through all the adversity in his life. He thought of her when his grandparents and uncle died shortly after taking him; when a sports hernia slowed him last season; when mononucleosis zapped his strength this season; and when he sprained an ankle Thursday against Washington.

He thought of her in the first-round squeaker over Louisiana-Lafayette. Before swishing two late free throws, he tapped the tattoo on his left shoulder that has a cross with Felicia's name and the dates of her birth and death.

He thought of her in the second-round rout of Georgia Tech, which came on the 15th anniversary of her death. He noticed that for a while in the second half, the Cards led by 15.

Then came yesterday. U of L trailed 38-18 late in the first half and still was down 71-63 when Dean's cramps hit. By the overtime he was struggling just to shuffle to the bench for treatment. He howled and bit down on a towel as trainer Fred Hina massaged his muscles. His legs, back and arms locked up.

But he kept coming back, and so did the Cards. He drilled a three-pointer in overtime that gave U of L an 82-78 cushion, and moments later he spun in traffic and fed Otis George for a layup before falling down.

"Taquan is a soldier," assistant coach Vince Taylor said. "Even if he had a broken ankle, he would have gone back out there. He wasn't going to let us lose this game."

The Cardinals couldn't have won it without him. Trying to keep pace with West Virginia's ridiculously hot shooting, Dean hoisted 17 three-point tries and made seven. Fifteen of his 23 points came after halftime as he helped carry the load after Francisco Garcia fouled out.

"I couldn't believe what he was doing out there," Garcia said. "I've seen him in play in pain before, but to do it in a game like that …"

The pain -- and the joy -- took its toll. A few minutes after the victory, Dean sat down on the press table and cried. A jubilant Garcia walked over to his best friend and turned Dean's Final Four cap backward.

"Three years we worked for this!" Garcia yelled. "All those mornings shooting in the gym together!"

Dean couldn't respond.

"Everything just hit me," he said. "From shooting into garbage cans as a kid to all the tragedies I've been through in my life."

The moment soon passed, and he joined his teammates in cutting down the nets. One strand of the net, he said, was for Felicia.

Dean wants to dedicate one more thing to his mother. He has promised that if the Cards win the NCAA title, he will bury his championship ring in her plot.

"Every step I take, she's with me," he said. "I know that she's watching me now, and I know she's very happy."
 
kgHavok23 said:
.....well thats a fantastic way to kll a conversation....does this mean we have to root for Louisville now?

God knows I am now. They had to overcome some childhood tragedies to make it here. Why do the other teams even bother to show up??
 

J2 Cool

Member
Well, I respect Dean a lot, but let's just play the competition. Bruce Weber had his mother die recently and was crying in his brother's arms after the game. You can't take nothing away from either team or any players/coaches. So let em just play tough, root for your team, and winner wins. Nobody's life depends on winning, and nobody deserves it more than anyone else. I'm sure they've all overcome struggles.

Anyway, I think Louisville's the best team left for Illinois to play. As great as Illinois' comeback was, coming from 20 down and exerting an effort like they did, for as long they did is damn impressive. Both teams just played balls out to finish their games. It's going to be insane watching two pumped up teams come in with as much confidence as they've had all tournament. Hopefully we get Augustine really involved without Frye there.

As far as blowouts, I really expect none. These games will be down to the wire. And with that said, GO ILLINI BABY!!

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Boomer

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I watched O'Bannon win the state championship a few years ago with Michael Bush (plays football for Louisville now). I hope he gets drafted, he's a good player, but doesn't get much attention.
 
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