Better to be pleasently surprised than let down. The water in those screens looks better than what you see in many games running on the home consoles and set-top boxes today.JasoNsider said:Well, I've been looking at the screens and my money is on them being in-game. I think a lot of people who think otherwise will feel surprised when they find out this is the case.
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Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
cybamerc said:
Well most people aren't using wireless interent, so we'd have to buy something, no different than on the GC. As for hotspots, I dunno what it's like elsewhere, but there are huge areas in the UK not covered, and those that are all split between different providers, so there's guarentee you'll be able to use it in a hotspot as it may not be one from your provider.
That's how I understand it anyway.
I'm sure if you made a lot of games that small, the water would look much better to.
Besides, for all we know it's just an unmoving texture.
Mama Smurf:
> Well most people aren't using wireless interent, so we'd have to buy something
Sure. But how are you worse off buying something that you can also use with other devices than an overpriced ethernet adapter (goes for PS2 as well) or overpriced software (Xbox Live)?
> I'm sure if you made a lot of games that small, the water would look much better to.
Sure.
> Besides, for all we know it's just an unmoving texture
No it's clearly reflective and has specular highlights.
> Well most people aren't using wireless interent, so we'd have to buy something
Sure. But how are you worse off buying something that you can also use with other devices than an overpriced ethernet adapter (goes for PS2 as well) or overpriced software (Xbox Live)?
> I'm sure if you made a lot of games that small, the water would look much better to.
Sure.
> Besides, for all we know it's just an unmoving texture
No it's clearly reflective and has specular highlights.
Kobun Heat
Member
Panajev2001a said:
Hi,
interplay does depend on the support of Nintendo for this feature.
If it's there we will include it. By now only the close range wireless
multiplayer functionality is planned.
regards
--
Manfred Linzner
Deg said:
Regardless of the techniques being used, many many games today feature superior water effects. However, that does look very nice...nice enough that I don't believe it is realtime. Could be wrong, though...
Of course, as noted above, it could just be a static texture.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Well I'm not so bothered about how useful it's going to be for other things, so much as the fact that developers are going to see it the same way as on the GC, ie. that gamers still have to buy something before getting online.
If Nintendo don't support it, the DS better get a Gameboy size userbase or I don't see the situation being much improved.
EDIT: Why don't we just email them about the graphics? They seem willing to answer everything else.
If Nintendo don't support it, the DS better get a Gameboy size userbase or I don't see the situation being much improved.
EDIT: Why don't we just email them about the graphics? They seem willing to answer everything else.
JasoNsider
Member
I just sent a mail about the screens. Hopefully will get a response soon. Will help for the news on the site, too.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Consider that their previous shooters basically used pre-rendered FMV elements that they patched together to form the scenery. This *could* be doing the same thing. However, the screens are so damn small that it's just impossible to tell what kind of graphics quality is being used there. Almost everything looks much better when sized this small.
Yes, in that one picture. But it looks different in others. In that one picture reflection is really distorted, but you can't tell if the highlights are pre baked untill you see it in motion.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Kobun Heat said:
As I said, can they do it themselves if they wanted or do they need some kind of special access to the DS Hardware that Nintendo has not allowed yet ?
JasoNsider
Member
looks like I was right:
Hi,
of course they indicate in-game quality.
We will shortly release more screenshoots.
best regards
Hi,
of course they indicate in-game quality.
We will shortly release more screenshoots.
best regards
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Mashing said:
Are they ?
Kobun Heat
Member
Well, English isn't this guy's first language. Let's not go too nuts analyzing his word choice.
Regardless of whether the final product offers online play, this is a very intriguing title. It looks really, really nice for a DS game, and offers some clues as to what developers are going to be able to choke out of the system in the future.
Regardless of whether the final product offers online play, this is a very intriguing title. It looks really, really nice for a DS game, and offers some clues as to what developers are going to be able to choke out of the system in the future.
Kobun Heat
Member
No 'indication' of one? The two shots on the right show a top down view of the ship. That looks like the gameplay right there. The two on the left look like cutscenes done with the in-game engine.Society said:
evilromero
Member
Mama Smurf said:
Let's take a look at the other feature: online scoreboards.
Mama Smurf said:
For wireless internet access, yes, just like any 802.11x device, which the NDS can claim to be. But what the system ALSO has is a seperate wireless protocol for DS to DS gaming, you can presume it to be (until otherwise stated) the same wireless technology as in the GBA wireless adapter.
I didn't see this answered anywhere else above...yes, distance is slightly better with WLAN than the Nintendo proprietary wireless linkup but the more important difference is bandwidth - much more of it on offer through WLAN.Kobun Heat said:
Sony provides API for basic online functionality.cybamerc said:
I'm confused by the internet statement. But it's probably just my ignorance.
They're providing wireless internet access to a scoreboard, so what's keeping them from offering a p2p service as well? How much more strain would match-making put on their server? And why do they require Nintendo's support to make that happen?
Huh?
They're providing wireless internet access to a scoreboard, so what's keeping them from offering a p2p service as well? How much more strain would match-making put on their server? And why do they require Nintendo's support to make that happen?
Huh?
Spiritreaver
Member
I feel sorry for the guy who has to answer all those emails. Be more considerate!
Be more considerate!Kobun Heat said:
Well, they probably are gameplay angles...and really, you could show any shot from Iridion and say "this indicates actual gameplay". However, that doesn't change the fact that those backgrounds were mostly pre-rendered affairs. It seems like that this is the case for Nanostray as well...and really, it doesn't matter as it looks good and fits the type of game well.
Less upfront work, ongoing maintenance and expense required to maintain the integrity of a scoreboards database than to provide for full-on Internet game matchmaking and to provide for stable online p2p play code. It would help make this easier if Nintendo provided basic APIs for this but, if what the Shin'en rep is saying is accurate, Nintendo hasn't provided much in this way.Goreomedy said:
Not sure what you are confused about... ?
JasoNsider
Member
Just so you guys know, my original question was whether the screens were pre-rendered shots or indicative of the in-game quality. He could have easily said that they were pre-rendered at that point.
I'm impressed. Not so much by the game right now, but by the fact that the DS can churn out visuals like that.
I'm impressed. Not so much by the game right now, but by the fact that the DS can churn out visuals like that.
JasoNsider said:
Uhh, by saying pre-rendered, that suggests that those shots were only renders. Those may be gameplay scenes, but that doesn't mean those backgrounds are actually rendered with realtime 3D. Like I said, Iridion 3D used a ton of pre-rendered elements and it could very well be the same thing here (probably is, actually).
I thought it was very clear from the original description that they meant direct connections between 2 players within a certain distance of one another. You don't need a wireless hotspot with a connection to the outside world to have a WLAN. Two people connected wirelessly directly *is* a WLAN. A WLAN doesn't necessarily give you access to the net and other people beyond. It's local...Wireless *local* area connection. It's ad-hoc.
The infrastructure part comes with the ability to connect to wireless hotspots - they hope to use that for accessing scoreboards on the Net. But no online play is planned...just LAN play between people within the required radius of one another.
The infrastructure part comes with the ability to connect to wireless hotspots - they hope to use that for accessing scoreboards on the Net. But no online play is planned...just LAN play between people within the required radius of one another.
krypt0nian
Banned
Panajev2001a said:
Yes because those games on the PS2/Dreamcast/xbox/PC that only had internet scoreboard proved that out, right? =\
Anyway, it is a fine looking game. I wouldn't doubt for a second that these are actual NDS graphics. The machine has been surprising me in that regard as of late. From the smoothness of the graphics in the 'hurted heart' game, to the surprisingly realistic look of the pups in Nintendogs, and now the great arcade graphics of Nanostray. The DS is certainly going to be able to hold it's own in the graphics department. E3 was only a taste.
Sure but wouldn't it make more sense given that Nintendo's included some form of online API, not to mention LAN play toolsets? Your interpretation of "support of Nintendo for this feature" leaps to the absolute worst conclusion based off an emailer's secondary english, ignoring the similar/Related tools Nintendo's provided and their network API history on GameCube (they provide tools, not networks). Just seems to me like Nintendo not providing network gaming APIs is bit less likely than simply not giving Shin'en the network itself...kaching said:
edit- In other words, exactly like PlayStation 2 and GameCube.
JasoNsider
Member
Color me insanely impressed, guys. I did a little digging after Dark's comments (thanks dark, you made a good point) and asked to clarify. My question was:
His answer:
Wow....
His answer:
Hi,
everything you see is real 3d. No animations in the background.
Of course the DS doesn't has pixelshader but with some programming you
can approximate effects like reflections very easy.
Well, most people were also sceptic when they saw the first Iridion2 pics and movies, so we are used to that
best regards
Wow....
Haha! See.
As it's been said time and time again by people more knowledgeable than me in such areas, with the NDS's natural graphical feature set and considering its screen size and native resolution, it should have no problem pumping out great looking games. Basicly, Nintendo knew exactly what they were doing with the hardware
As it's been said time and time again by people more knowledgeable than me in such areas, with the NDS's natural graphical feature set and considering its screen size and native resolution, it should have no problem pumping out great looking games. Basicly, Nintendo knew exactly what they were doing with the hardware